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SaiboT

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Are we not more in a need of a Lcb than Rcb? I feel that we need a backup to Vdv. Keep sanchez as he’s not been bad under Ange, get maybe Lenglet in because he is pretty cheap.
Would rather want a better lcb but maybe not possible.
1st. Romero and Vdv
2nd. Sanchez and Lenglet
3rd. Young phillips and Davies

sell dier and Tanganga
 

Yiddo100

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Are we not more in a need of a Lcb than Rcb? I feel that we need a backup to Vdv. Keep sanchez as he’s not been bad under Ange, get maybe Lenglet in because he is pretty cheap.
Would rather want a better lcb but maybe not possible.
1st. Romero and Vdv
2nd. Sanchez and Lenglet
3rd. Young phillips and Davies

sell dier and Tanganga
If we buy lenglet then we may aswell give up, we won’t buy him anyway but buying him would just mean we’d be replacing him in 12 months. A waste of everyone’s time.
 

SaiboT

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If we buy lenglet then we may aswell give up, we won’t buy him anyway but buying him would just mean we’d be replacing him in 12 months. A waste of everyone’s time.
Ok you doesnt rate Lenglet. Thats fine i get it. But my point still stands that we would need a lcb more than a rcb
 

beats1

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I think the Homegrown problem is overstated imo

You don't need 25 players especially with no Europe, buying a player for buying sake hasn't worked out well for us in the past

Johnson while having pace(something we kind of lack) doesn't provide the dribbler we need imo

This is our current squad bar few exceptions like Kane and Rodon(moved on)
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With Kane and Rodon leaving we currently down to 9 HG players. It's also worth noting that its certain Tanganga, Spence and White will leave on loan or permanent. Reducing us down to 6.

Long term wise we have these players locked in as our HG option:
GK 1 - Can't afford to waste a spot on someone not playing regularly
GK 2 - See above
Madison
Skipp - Great backup CM/DM option
Sarr
Likely Davies - 2 years left on contract

Problem isn't HG but we have too many excessive players especially when we have no European football
4 GKs(inc 2 nHG) so get rid off Lloris reduces non-HomeGrown to 19
4 LBs(inc 2 nHG) so get rid off Reguilion reduces non-HomeGrown to 18
8 midfielders for 3 spots (inc 5nHG) get rid off Ndombele and perhaps Hojberg reduce to nHG to 16/17

Then if you want to add a position its simple get rid off one before you add one
4 CBs (inc 4 nHG) get rid of Sanchez or Dier to add a new CB
6 Forwards (inc 6nHG) - Including Perisic, Solomon and Gil(who is injured)

I don't see how spending £50m on a homegrown option is forwarding planning when we have 6 HG options locked in for the next 2 years and not to mention you potentially have next year Eze, Bowen, Watkins and Toney with a year left on their contract

Major issue is club trained players, which is currently 3 for next season(Sarr, Skip and Austin). Which is why someone like Edwards would be ideal, not to mention he can dribble with the ball close to his feet
 

homer hotspur

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For squad players I think you have to look at what the big clubs do.

City buy high quality young players. They integrate into the squad while being squad players.

Utd have bought world class ageing players like Cavani and Zlatan. Quality players who are enjoying a big pay day and have no issue with being squad players.

Expecting us to buy top quality in their prime and expecting them to be happy to sit on the bench is unrealistic.

There’s more to assembling a squad than “buy top quality.” It’s more complex than that.
Agree. Maybe if we were Man City or in CL we could have got Maddison and JWP ,which would have been fantastic but it was unrealistic to expect JWP to sit on the bench for long periods. He was a tremendous buy for West Ham and I'm amazed there wasn't more competition at that price. I think he would have been next on our list if Mads didn't happen.
Surely we can't let PEH go without a replacement. Those midfield positions are so key and so high energy and with the African Nations Cup we could come seriously unstuck.
 

carpediem991

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I think the Homegrown problem is overstated imo

You don't need 25 players especially with no Europe, buying a player for buying sake hasn't worked out well for us in the past

Johnson while having pace(something we kind of lack) doesn't provide the dribbler we need imo

This is our current squad bar few exceptions like Kane and Rodon(moved on)
3ik5vh6br0hb1.png

With Kane and Rodon leaving we currently down to 9 HG players. It's also worth noting that its certain Tanganga, Spence and White will leave on loan or permanent. Reducing us down to 6.

Long term wise we have these players locked in as our HG option:
GK 1 - Can't afford to waste a spot on someone not playing regularly
GK 2 - See above
Madison
Skipp - Great backup CM/DM option
Sarr
Likely Davies - 2 years left on contract

Problem isn't HG but we have too many excessive players especially when we have no European football
4 GKs(inc 2 nHG) so get rid off Lloris reduces non-HomeGrown to 19
4 LBs(inc 2 nHG) so get rid off Reguilion reduces non-HomeGrown to 18
8 midfielders for 3 spots (inc 5nHG) get rid off Ndombele and perhaps Hojberg reduce to nHG to 16/17

Then if you want to add a position its simple get rid off one before you add one
4 CBs (inc 4 nHG) get rid of Sanchez or Dier to add a new CB
6 Forwards (inc 6nHG) - Including Perisic, Solomon and Gil(who is injured)

I don't see how spending £50m on a homegrown option is forwarding planning when we have 6 HG options locked in for the next 2 years and not to mention you potentially have next year Eze, Bowen, Watkins and Toney with a year left on their contract

Major issue is club trained players, which is currently 3 for next season(Sarr, Skip and Austin). Which is why someone like Edwards would be ideal, not to mention he can dribble with the ball close to his feet
I think I heard Sarr won't be HG as he was not long enough playing in the UK?
 

Snarfalicious

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I’ll be good with Adarabiyo and Johnson. Helps the HG status and helps our depth in important areas. Anything that pushes Dier a little more down the “depth chart” and gives us a little more flexibility in central defense.

I really think we should secure a loan for Gil in the Premier League, if at all possible. All the other well-documented deadwood, take what you can get and move on.
 

eddiebailey

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Major issue is club trained players, which is currently 3 for next season(Sarr, Skip and Austin).
Is that right about Sarr? I thought you needed to be at the club for three years and that time spent out on loan didn’t count.

If we succeed in moving on Tanganga and White this window, then by my reckoning the only club trained players we will have going into next season are:

  • Skipp, who may be restless if he has not been getting regular first team footie.
  • Austin and Whiteman, and you don’t really need to register both.
  • Parrot, who depending on how his loan to Excelsior goes may or may not come back into the picture.
  • Lyons-Foster, who would be entering his third year as an overage player in PL2
None of which matters too much if we have U21s eligible for the B-list who are ready step up. Scarlett and Devine are the obvious candidates, but Ashcroft, Dorrington, Paskotsi, Sayers, Craig, John, Robson, Santiago and Donley would all be eligible, as well as a lot of currently less experienced lads.

(Keeley, Phillips, Soonsupp-Bell, Lankshear and Veliz would need to be registered on the A list having been at the club less than two years.)
 
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jimbo

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Transfers in are obviously the more exciting element, but we really don't have long to secure as many permanent outs as we can to allow us more room for the rebuild in future windows. If our academy can start to produce a few players capable of at least a squad role, then that will help hugely but seems a season or two away. We really need to shift quite a few out or we're going to find subsequent windows just as difficult.

I get the feeling most of our business out is going to be loans, which is better than nothing but a problem deferred isn't as good as a problem solved.
 

bbunc

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I think I heard Sarr won't be HG as he was not long enough playing in the UK?
Sounds like he’s one that may be HG for EPL but not for Europe as he technically joined after his 1st season started. EPL is fine as long as registered that season by registration deadline (he was) but I think UEFA has some weird clause about “full seasons” which he wouldn’t meet due to the purchase date.
 

Majick

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Sounds like he’s one that may be HG for EPL but not for Europe as he technically joined after his 1st season started. EPL is fine as long as registered that season by registration deadline (he was) but I think UEFA has some weird clause about “full seasons” which he wouldn’t meet due to the purchase date.
That's one I've been trying to get my head around - Saliba is club-trained for Arsenal, but joined the summer after his 18th birthday and spent most of the next 3 years out on loan in France.

As best as I can make out, Saliba was registered in the squad each of those seasons before going out on loan. If that's all it takes, maybe I've been playing FM wrong all these years...
 

rabbikeane

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Seeing our midfield without Bissouma, I reckon we need to find someone who can do similar. I reckon we should try to sign Angel Gomes from Lille who's also home grown.
 

McArchibald

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Forget incomings - looks like we're only playing 40 games this year. Just focus on getting as many deadwood players out as possible. Fire Sale.
 

Huddlebone

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We need another passer in the Midfield.

Out +106m
PEH 25
Ndombele 15
Spence 10
Dier 10
Lloris 0
Sanchez 12
Skipp 20-25
Tanganga 12

Ins: 115m

Gallagher 45
Sancho 45 + PEH
Tosin 25
 

jimbo

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Bit of an overreaction probably, but I’m not sure there’s much value in hanging onto our senior squad depth players. Get as many out as possible permanently and try to rebuild faster in the next couple of windows.
 

Yantino

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Proof again tonight that the level drop off from the first 11 or 12 players is like falling off a cliff.

Which is not helped by how slow we have been as a club to make quality replacements to our key players.
 

bubble07

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Or recruitment over the years has been so bad we just need to pray our first 11 don't get significant injuries until its sorted

But confident with paratici we can build a good squad. Just hope baldy plays ball
 

Montalbano

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If we don’t sign another CB we’re fucked anytime Romero and Micky don’t play. Has to be the sole priority, then worry about other positions
 
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