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Bobbins

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I'm also a Sidcup school boy, Sadly tho, I was just about the only spurs fan in my year. Probably the school. Loads of Arsenal scum and Manchester United glory hunters, mixed in with your typical plastic Millwall fans. I was at Cleeve Park, How bout yourself?

Kemnal Manor/Technology College depending on how you know it. Had a real mix of fans there and I had friends of all teams which was good in a way as there were plenty of teams worse than Spurs around.
 

Reprobate

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It's not just the scum, West Ham, and Chelsea. I've been a neutral at Fulham and heard them singing about hating Spurs. The main Palace message board shows the majority of them seem to hate us more than they do other London clubs. I think it's great tbh, fuck em.
 

CockOnBall

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Question though, why do we even care if Spam, Chavs or Arse hate us, I don't, I don't want them to like us. As for Leicester again couldn't give a shit, they have their own weird League of Gentlemen ways about the club and the city.

There are a few teams I don't mind like Everton and to some extent pre-Jose United but for the main I don't want to chum up with another team. How embrassing has it been for Chelsea last season to join with Leicester to stop us.

As for success yes we need to change that but the league is hard when 2 other teams effectively money scam the league (Chavs and City) so we need to start doing better in the cups.

I care because I find it reduces (not stops) our chances of being successful in the league. Aside from Utd who are universally hated, I don't know of another club with 3 major top flight sides who would class themselves as our major rivals. Two of which are top 4 regulars. It just means rather than the standard 2 maybe 4 big games, we have 6 games against sides who will raise their usual game to beat us.

It goes beyond local rivalry as West Ham & Chelsea would rather Arsenal win the league than we do, for example. If we had just Arsenal as our major rivals, with West Ham & Chelsea supporters viewing us as no worse than say Palace, would we have faced such difficult games like West Ham on Friday or Chelsea at Stamford bridge last year? Two teams with seemingly nothing to play for desperate to put the gloss on a shite season by stopping us from being successful.

As I say, we can't feel sorry for us but it's fair to acknowledge it doesn't help.
 
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guiltyparty

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I care because I find it reduces (not stops) our chances of being successful in the league. Aside from Utd who are universally hated, I don't know of another club with 3 major top flight sides who would class themselves as our major rivals. Two of which are top 4 regulars. It just means rather than the standard 2 maybe 4 big games, we have 6 games against sides who will raise their usual game to beat us.

It goes beyond local rivalry as West Ham & Chelsea would rather Arsenal win the league than we do, for example. If we had just Arsenal as our major rivals, with West Ham & Chelsea supporters viewing us as no worse than a Palace for example, would we have faced such difficult games like West Ham on Friday or Chelsea at Stamford bridge last year? Two teams with seemingly nothing to play for desperate to put the gloss on a shite season by stopping us from being successful.

As I say, we can't feel sorry for us but it's fair to acknowledge it doesn't help.

I also think, despite the hate, people have become indoctrinated to Utd being The Biggest Club (and assumes their downturn will be temporary) and Chelsea and City having shedloads of dosh so playing by different rules and therefore ineligible for ire, and Arsenal being the purist's side for football-watchers who won things while playing The Best Football (altho people are turning on them pretty quick).

Spurs - you can't throw the money argument at us, and we're not the biggest club, which makes other clubs seem more envious as there are less excuses why their club couldn't do something similar, and the media taps into this. It's always the lowest common denominator represented as they have the most extreme views. Most people I know of a sensible disposition have been very forthright in how much they enjoy watching us.

We could effectively replace Arsenal as the purist's side in other fans' hearts but we'd have to sustain it for a fairly long time and, importantly, win something doing it. If we care, that is. I don't really.
 

CockOnBall

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I saw that poll were Chelsea were among the most hated teams in the league. I think that analysis is skewed.

IMO they would appear 2nd/3rd on many individual fans' list. So therefore, appear top in the overall. However, that doesn't really translate on the field. For example, a UTD fan may hate Chelsea a bit more than the other sides they don't really class as rivals but the games they demand their side wins are against City and Liverpool. Beyond those two sides, it's mostly about how that game impacts their current league positioning.

We appear top of the hated list for 3 sides. As I said before, I don't think there any of other club is in that situation. It makes it tougher. But West Ham will only ever change if Millwall were in the same league. Chelsea will never think much of QPR/Fulham/Brentford in terms of rivalry.
 

Deathrod

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I went to school in Sidcup, and it wasn't quite as bad, in that there were a fair few Spurs fans around, but it was in the 90's, and we were utterly shit, so we never had any ammunition to fire back with. I seem to have evolved the Arsenal and Chelsea supporters out of my group of friends over the years, my five a side WhatsApp group has like 18 blokes in and the football banter is almost non-existent. I think a lot of people realise these days as well that gloating just makes you look like a right ****.

What school? I went Hurstmere! :)
 

idontgetit

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I see this woe is me sentiment from Spurs fans on Reddit and as far as I can tell it's mostly whining about nothing. Fans usually give shit to all other fans and we're just having a far more prominent season than usual.
 

SugarRay

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Do you think we're going to be successful and loved? No side in football thesedays is consistently successful and widely loved! Never happening.

Could be worse, a lot worse! The fact others don't like us is because they are either jealous ( every team considerably below us - Everton and below ) or worried ( around our level - rest of the big 6, which is a shite term obviously but 100% correct right now )

Think we hated now? Wait until we start winning trophies again...
 

Reprobate

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I just decided to adopt Millwall as my second team.. They hate those that hate us.

They hate everyone. One thing you can say about Millwall fans, from my experience anyway, is they don't do "second teams"

At a push some will watch a bit of south London non-league.
 

Dougal

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Could be because a lot of Spurs fans are nobs. Just throwing that out there. How many Spurs fans have you met where you've thought 'if we didn't have this thing in common I wouldn't even talk to you'?

Alternatively, we're long suffering, think we deserve some little chance of success and the very second we look to rise above the gutter and eat at the top table we fuck it up. The top table doesn't want us there and the gutter sneers at us for thinking we're too good for them. We are out of place and unwanted wherever we are. Footballing Purgatory. So we close ranks and become even more isolated among our own kind, even if we have to find common ground with those nobs I mentioned earlier. And every time there might be a little bit of love shown to us, when we finally think we might be accepted, the nobs step out from behind us and say something nobbish. And people turn on the collective again. And we cry ourselves to sleep.

Anyway...
Here we go again.
 
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