Gareth Bale to return to Tottenham Hotspur?

Trix · Dec 20, 2017

spursfan77 said:
It's such a good point. What does signing Bale say to Toby who's contract still hasn't been settled or Alli who is negotiating a new one or Eriksen who is wanted by Barcelona. It says we are serious. They should realise that with the building of the training ground and stadium but footballers are thick, they'll only see Bale coming as an exciting thing.

It might well make him more willing to sign a new contract, although he might also tell us that the contract he is now seriously considering, is nowhere near enough if Bale is going to be on 250k per week.

tototoner · Dec 20, 2017

I guess Bale wouldn't be interested in a pay-as-you-play deal, think that's what Zlatan is on now and it's what John Terry was on his last 2 seasons at Chelsea

from https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/pay-as-you-play/

What is meant by a pay as you play deal?

Under a pay as you play deal the player will be contracted to the club for a certain amount of time under a standard FA Premier League contract. The only difference to the make-up of that player’s contract than other players in the team is that player will be paid when he makes an appearance for the club.

Often the player will be on a very low base salary and has the option of increasing that by working hard and making appearances on the pitch.

Is this a desirable position for a player?

In many cases this is a desirable position for a player to enter into as it may enable him to get a contract at the same club or another club when due to his age or injury problems he would not otherwise have been able to. If the player believes that he does have the fitness to play regularly then he will believe that he will be able to play enough to still be paid enough.

In most cases this will apply to players who are entering the twilight of their career and so it can be assumed that they have earned enough during their high profile career to be able to justify being on a pay as you play deal.

This will certainly be the case of high profile Premier League players but may not be so for players playing in the lower divisions of English football where retirement may be a better option.

spursfan77 · Dec 20, 2017

Trix said:
It might well make him more willing to sign a new contract, although he might also tell us that the contract he is now seriously considering, is nowhere near enough if Bale is going to be on 250k per week.

Of course, but we all know we won't be signing Bale if he wants those type of wages.

There's so many ifs and buts with Bale anyway. Trouble is, it sounds like his time is up there. It would be detrimental to us if he went to another club in England. If he does we will have to suck it up but it would be nasty.

I've a feeling the injuries might mysteriously clear up when he leaves there too. He's always been a bit of a wimp, when he was with us he'd never play unless 100% fit. I suspect that plus the way he's being treated there isn't exactly motivating him to pull his finger out and train/play.

brendanb50 · Dec 20, 2017

spursfan77 said:
Of course, but we all know we won't be signing Bale if he wants those type of wages.

There's so many ifs and buts with Bale anyway. Trouble is, it sounds like his time is up there. It would be detrimental to us if he went to another club in England. If he does we will have to suck it up but it would be nasty.

I've a feeling the injuries might mysteriously clear up when he leaves there too. He's always been a bit of a wimp, when he was with us he'd never play unless 100% fit. I suspect that plus the way he's being treated there isn't exactly motivating him to pull his finger out and train/play.

I've never understood why he's been a so maligned at Madrid, at all levels not just with fans, he's done great things for them on the pitch and whilst i know he's had his injuries i can't see how he's given them anything less than 100%.

I know they're a fickle club with (IMO) a pathetic fanbase in terms of loyalty but when you have a player like that, surely you revel in it? Anyone would come up short vs. Ronaldo but as good as he is, he doesn't win everything by himself, it's a team game.

stewartd · Dec 20, 2017

The questions we are asking about value for money are the same questions every team who are considering buying him will be asking. ANY team no matter how rich will be asking that before they sign him
There are no teams willing to pay £50million+ and £250k per week in wages on Bale with his fitness problems. Accordingly unless he faces up to reality and lowers his wages demands he will stay at Madrid.
Unless of course Madrid supplement say 50% of these wages which is not impossible. If they were to do so then he becomes a worthwhile gamble . Is it a gamble we would be willing to take very much depends on how we do this season.If we finish in the top four or progress and by some miracle win the CL together with the opening of the new stadium we become an attractive team to the best young players available.Without CL next season we lose that attraction.Levy will then need an attraction to ensure the new ground is full and Bale might be the attraction that would make him think the gamble is worthwhile.

dagraham · Dec 20, 2017

spursfan77 said:
It's such a good point. What does signing Bale say to Toby who's contract still hasn't been settled or Alli who is negotiating a new one or Eriksen who is wanted by Barcelona. It says we are serious. They should realise that with the building of the training ground and stadium but footballers are thick, they'll only see Bale coming as an exciting thing.

I wouldn’t say that makes footballers thick ( not that I don’t think a lot of them are

).

It will make them think we have a better chance of winning trophies which is most footballers main goal in their careers.....and they would be right.

Trix · Dec 20, 2017

spursfan77 said:
Of course, but we all know we won't be signing Bale if he wants those type of wages.

There's so many ifs and buts with Bale anyway. Trouble is, it sounds like his time is up there. It would be detrimental to us if he went to another club in England. If he does we will have to suck it up but it would be nasty.

I've a feeling the injuries might mysteriously clear up when he leaves there too. He's always been a bit of a wimp, when he was with us he'd never play unless 100% fit. I suspect that plus the way he's being treated there isn't exactly motivating him to pull his finger out and train/play.

Not if he ends up hardly playing. I do think a lot of people in this thread are voting with their hearts and not their heads.

Like I say if he could put the next 6-7 months together without having another injury then maybe it would be worth having a look at. My guess though is that won't be the case.

luptic · Dec 20, 2017

I think the thing with bale highlights the need to be looking to bring in the young players with speed, given the injury problems these players get when they get older. For me bale is a non starter.

worcestersauce · Dec 20, 2017

Lemon said:
But being more in line with Atletico for the next 3-4seasons could significantly safeguard the future.

It just feels typical Spurs to sign a player based on romantic nostalgia and commercial force, rather than what would fundamentally help Poch.

Basically Sessegnon and Pulisic (or their likes), or Bale? For me there is no choice to make.

This is where we are a long way apart, I don't see Bale as some nostalgia kick, he is a top player, nor is he just a commercial choice, he is a top player and I also don't see him as someone who wouldn't help Poch because he is a top player.
I have to say I don't understand why you don't get that mate.
Someone else mentioned a pay as you play contract which is nice but not going to happen however, we do have a wage system that is weighted to actually playing, play bad get dropped earn less, so I guess being out with injury drops your wages.
Here's the thing, if Bale comes to us he will not be on wages that will resemble what he is on at Real Madrid, he knows that and won't ask for that, if he wants that then he won't be coming, it's as simple as that.

shelfmonkey · Dec 20, 2017

tototoner said:
I guess Bale wouldn't be interested in a pay-as-you-play deal, think that's what Zlatan is on now and it's what John Terry was on his last 2 seasons at Chelsea

from https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/pay-as-you-play/

What is meant by a pay as you play deal?

Under a pay as you play deal the player will be contracted to the club for a certain amount of time under a standard FA Premier League contract. The only difference to the make-up of that player’s contract than other players in the team is that player will be paid when he makes an appearance for the club.

Often the player will be on a very low base salary and has the option of increasing that by working hard and making appearances on the pitch.

Is this a desirable position for a player?

In many cases this is a desirable position for a player to enter into as it may enable him to get a contract at the same club or another club when due to his age or injury problems he would not otherwise have been able to. If the player believes that he does have the fitness to play regularly then he will believe that he will be able to play enough to still be paid enough.

In most cases this will apply to players who are entering the twilight of their career and so it can be assumed that they have earned enough during their high profile career to be able to justify being on a pay as you play deal.

This will certainly be the case of high profile Premier League players but may not be so for players playing in the lower divisions of English football where retirement may be a better option.

EVERY player SHOULD be on this type of contract!!

fletch82 · Dec 20, 2017

Trix said:
Not if he ends up hardly playing. I do think a lot of people in this thread are voting with their hearts and not their heads.

Like I say if he could put the next 6-7 months together without having another injury then maybe it would be worth having a look at. My guess though is that won't be the case.

What if he was on say a 100k p/w contract with a 50k play bonus and a 20k win bonus and a 30k goal bonus though surely that kind of deal would be workable and negate the huge drain worry
(I just made up random figures please don't smash my face in for them

)

ultimateloner · Dec 20, 2017

For the right price Bale would be amazing for us; even if he is 1/2 the player he was.

Johnny J · Dec 21, 2017

stewartd said:
The questions we are asking about value for money are the same questions every team who are considering buying him will be asking. ANY team no matter how rich will be asking that before they sign him
There are no teams willing to pay £50million+ and £250k per week in wages on Bale with his fitness problems. Accordingly unless he faces up to reality and lowers his wages demands he will stay at Madrid.
Unless of course Madrid supplement say 50% of these wages which is not impossible. If they were to do so then he becomes a worthwhile gamble . Is it a gamble we would be willing to take very much depends on how we do this season.If we finish in the top four or progress and by some miracle win the CL together with the opening of the new stadium we become an attractive team to the best young players available.Without CL next season we lose that attraction.Levy will then need an attraction to ensure the new ground is full and Bale might be the attraction that would make him think the gamble is worthwhile.

I might be wrong but I think United would absolutely pay £50m and 250k pw for Bale.

jurgen · Dec 21, 2017

In his preseason rant Danny Rose literally spelled out how he (and by extension potentially other senior players) felt about signing big stars. Signing Bale gives those players significantly more chance of winning trophies with us, which is what would keep a lot of our better players invested in our club.

However, unless Real still owe us a significant amount of money I still just can't see it happening as it is so un-Levy like.

Spurrific · Dec 21, 2017

ultimateloner said:
For the right price Bale would be amazing for us; even if he is 1/2 the player he was.

Without even checking, you can always tell when a disagree is going to be @tiger666

tiger666 · Dec 21, 2017

Spurrific said:
Without even checking, you can always tell when a disagree is going to be @tiger666

It's shameful having a different opinion to others I agree.

dontcallme · Dec 21, 2017

tiger666 said:
It's shameful having a different opinion to others I agree.

Best to just sit on the fence.

I believe there are both potential positives and negatives to the signing of Bale.

bubble07 · Dec 21, 2017

His injury record isnt as bad as i thought. Last season was his worst and he made 27 appearances

dagraham · Dec 21, 2017

bubble07 said:
His injury record isnt as bad as i thought. Last season was his worst and he made 27 appearances

He hasn’t had any real long term injuries, but it does seem over the last 18 months he is getting a lot of reoccurring ones.

Whether this is just his body suffering after playing at full pelt from a young age or Real rushing him back too soon and generally not looking after him we don’t know.

We’ve got no chance of signing him imo, but he’d be worth the risk in my view if it was feasible.

Hazardousman · Dec 21, 2017

Spurrific said:
Without even checking, you can always tell when a disagree is going to be @tiger666

He is a grumpy bastard even by my own miserable standards, I think me and him could make a great remake of grumpy old men.

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