Toby Aldeweireld - Where Is His Contract Extension ?

Streetspur77 · Dec 29, 2017

am_yisrael_chai said:
How is it a red herring ? If the disagreement is about release clause this is just a proxy for wages, why do you want a release clause if not to be able to jump ship to earn higher wages ?

Well considering Toby will be 32/33 when the next contract he signs runs out I could see why he would want a release clause so that he can choose where he goes and not be bound be the price Levy chooses to put on him because who is really going to pay more than 25mill for a 33 year old

However I can also see it from Levy's point of view that he's not trying to fuck Toby over but that by the time Toby's next contract finishes and he wants to choose where to retire 25mill may be ridiculously cheap due to market forces, and this was all backed up by itk in pretty sure

They are most probably tough negotiations and I can see both sides so I'm just going to leave it to Levy as he's forgotten more about business negotiations then I ever will know

seanwhite1961 · Dec 29, 2017

cider spurs said:
I thought the club were rumoured to have made him an offer back in the spring. Circa £70 000 per week.

Then it was reported (rightly or wrongly ) that Toby wanted parity with the club's top earners circa £110 000 per week allegedly.

Add to this the enigma of this buyout clause he's supposedly insisting on and Hercules' opinion that this renawal is not as simple and straightforward as many believe.

Conclusion. Alot regarding this new contract and the terms being offered and requested by both parties fall into the realms of pure guesswork by most of us (myself included )

I'll reserve judgement until it has all unfolded, then allow myself to be immersed in the blame game.

Sounds credible, given that's the figure widely circulated that Lovren is on at pool. If we take it also as a given that Toby's on 50k and Sissoko's on 80k, 100k is the figure I'd be looking for. Spurs seem to be making a lot of money and Toby's a big part of that.

seanwhite1961 · Dec 29, 2017

Lilbaz said:
Remember it was only a couple of years ago he was on loan at southampton because he couldn't get in the atletico side.

Horses for courses. It often has no relevance to the abilities of a player. Remember when RM let VDV go cheap to us? I presume you weren't thinking that, as they found him surplus to requirements, we should also have valued him as cheaply when paying him

spursfan77 · Dec 29, 2017

Ghost Hardware said:
If we loose Walker a Toby and Rose at their peak I would understand why some fans would call us a selling club. I know it’s not that simple obviously, but from an outsiders perspective, if all three end up at teams who will win medals in the near future... I just don’t want players to see us as a stepping stone club when they sign, like Keita Balde, and demand a release clause.

I also wonder how much our transfer business effects players willingness to renew contracts. If we were more ambitious with our dealings would players be more willing to sign on the dotted line. Saying that, if we did buy more high profile players then they would come with high profile wages which would, as has been well covered on these pages, have a knock on effect.

Ultimately, if Toby is really sticking his feet in the sand than I’m sure every big club in Europe, City, RM, BM etc will pay what ever it takes. For that reason I struggle to see him here beyond this season, after all Levy runs us as a business and there is no business in keeping an unhappy player for another season only to loose him for a cut price fee later down he line. All of which is a great shame.

If we sell all three of them we definitely are a selling club. There can’t be an argument against it.

Lilbaz · Dec 29, 2017

Streetspur77 said:
Well considering Toby will be 32/33 when the next contract he signs runs out I could see why he would want a release clause so that he can choose where he goes and not be bound be the price Levy chooses to put on him because who is really going to pay more than 25mill for a 33 year old

However I can also see it from Levy's point of view that he's not trying to fuck Toby over but that by the time Toby's next contract finishes and he wants to choose where to retire 25mill may be ridiculously cheap due to market forces, and this was all backed up by itk in pretty sure

They are most probably tough negotiations and I can see both sides so I'm just going to leave it to Levy as he's forgotten more about business negotiations then I ever will know

Nobody is sure. But my understanding is that he wants a release clause in his contract. That means he signs a new 5 year deal say but the next window someone meets that valuation and he's off. From spurs point of view that is just stupid.

spursfan77 · Dec 29, 2017

Trix said:
From what I hear Pool had a free run at him.

Madness to pay £75 million for him then.

Lilbaz · Dec 29, 2017

seanwhite1961 said:
Horses for courses. It often has no relevance to the abilities of a player. Remember when RM let VDV go cheap to us? I presume you weren't thinking that, as they found him surplus to requirements, we should also have valued him as cheaply when paying him

Never said it was anything about his ability, just that rm might not be after him as he had "failed" at atletico.

Tucker · Dec 29, 2017

spursfan77 said:
If we sell all three of them we definitely are a selling club. There can’t be an argument against it.

We were a selling club again the moment we rolled over for City in the summer. Massive mistake to sell a first team player to them. Sent all the wrong signals to other clubs, agents and our players.

cider spurs · Dec 29, 2017

spursfan77 said:
Madness to pay £75 million for him then.

Why,?

They're a band, nothing to do with football.

It must be Love

Deleted member 27995 · Dec 29, 2017

spursfan77 said:
Madness to pay £75 million for him then.

Klopps last 'hurrah!' I would suggest.

seanwhite1961 · Dec 29, 2017

Lilbaz said:
Nobody is sure. But my understanding is that he wants a release clause in his contract. That means he signs a new 5 year deal say but the next window someone meets that valuation and he's off. From spurs point of view that is just stupid.

I think he's got Neymar's dad as his new agent.

Messi signed a deal with a new release clause - £675m.

The obvious deal to make would be to pay him around what he wants and agree a valuation fee that reflects something of the market valuation. If a player is happy at a club, happy playing his football and happy with life in general, he's unlikely to want to leave.

shelfboy68 · Dec 29, 2017

mill said:
I think it’s more pertinent with the older players, as they want that big contract and trophies

I think it relates to both regardless if the truth be told the club just has to keep doing it's best.

seanwhite1961 · Dec 29, 2017

spursfan77 said:
Madness to pay £75 million for him then.

They offered £60m in the summer, on the back of him being on a 6 year contract he'd recently signed. No one else was in for him then and he didn't want to go anywhere else. The extra is for tapping him up(a "punishment" fee) and it allows Southampton to pay Celtic their 10% and pocket the £60m.

cider spurs · Dec 29, 2017

As horrible as it is, this is the nature of the beast. Players come, players go. Those we consider our star performers will more than likely get cherry picked by those higher up in the scheme of things, that usually equates to richer than us.

In turn, we will cast a beady eye over those we usually consider beneath us in the grand scheme of things. Cherry picking what we consider their better players.

Just the way it is, many say they don't want to be run as a rich man's plaything, I don't want to sell out to the devil either, but I do understand that this scenario will continually play out until financial equilibrium is achieved with the big hitters.

Do I ser the new stadium solving this?. No.

I see the stadium aiding our progression, but not to the extent that our top players cannot still have their heads turned by the lure of more dollar from the money clubs.

Does it peeve me off. He'll yeah, but I've somewhat become accepting of the inevitable. Money talks, and unfortunately now football is pretty much dictated by those who have as opposed to those that don't.

If Alderweireld is sold, I'll be gutted. But I am sure there'll be some Palace fans gutted if we sign Zaha.

Nature of the beast.

ajspurs · Dec 29, 2017

I don't know whey everyone is acting like we've heard it from the actual horses mouth though. Not gonna start to panic in any way until there's something more concrete on the matter.

SlotBadger · Dec 29, 2017

cider spurs said:
I am sure there'll be some Palace fans gutted if we sign Zaha.

...and some Spurs fans

Adam456 · Dec 29, 2017

Lilbaz said:
Increase everyones wages by 30% sounds like a good idea unless you look at the financials.
Our last accounts show our turnover around £200m with wages being £100m.
The new stadium is expected to bring (at best) in an extra £40-60m a year.
So if we do what you say then turnover will be £260m with wages £130m. That is fine if we just want to hold onto players and not bring anyone else in.
That would still leave toby on around £70k a week though.

Tv money has also increased and was not in our financials so may give us more room, but we still have the stadium to pay for.

It is very complicated and above any of our paygrade. It is easy to say just pay them the money. But the money has to come from somewhere. Levy will do his best to keep players and if he can't we will sell and replace.

To be fair I am one of the more realistic of posters re: finance and not one to criticise the board because they don't throw money around without thought. But our wages have been restrained for a number of years and we are going to have the coincidence of a number of players maturing to world class at the same time as our revenue jumping and wages and transfer fees spiralling. This is going to be the club's reality in the next couple of years and Toby is probably going to be the first test of that because of his age and remaining contract. We will find ourselves needing to put yet more new contracts in front of Kane, Alli, Ericsson and several more so we might as well start now with arguably our second or third most important player if there is a chance of keeping him

coys200 · Dec 29, 2017

Honestly don’t believe Alderweireld is any better than vertonghen. Not sure why he gets hyped that he is think it’s just his hair.

mill · Dec 29, 2017

coys200 said:
Honestly don’t believe Alderweireld is any better than vertonghen. Not sure why he gets hyped that he is think it’s just his hair.

His hair’s shit tbh

mckenz · Dec 29, 2017

Lets no mistake it, Alderweireld brought a solidity to our defence that we didn't have before he signed. If he goes we will miss one of the best defenders in the PL.

His stock is about as high as it can get - I could see any of the top sides in the world coming in for him.

I would love it if he stuck around though, I want to see more of this back three

Verts - Sanchez - T.A.

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