‘I’ve got no idea’: Ange bites back at VAR drama as his first north London derby ends in thriller

[mawspurs]

Tottenham boss Ange Postecoglou joked he will have to develop “armless defenders” after Cristian Romero’s handball conceded a controversial penalty in Sunday’s 2-2 draw against north London rivals Arsenal.

Source: Fox Sports

“I’ve got no idea about the handball rule. I really don’t. It just seems if it hits your hand it’s a penalty and then other times if it hits your hand, it isn’t a penalty,” Postecoglou said.

“It is the one rule in the game I just don’t understand. Unless we start developing armless defenders I don’t know how you are supposed to block things and be in a natural position.

“It is what it is. You kind of hope these things even themselves out over the course of a year but I don’t understand the handball rule. I think any clarity would be good.”

 

[Johnny J]

No lies detected.

 

[Japhet]

The whole thing about the arm being in an 'unnatural' position is a crock of shit. The only unnatural position when jumping or challenging is to have your arm tucked in against your side.

 

[14/04/91]

Neville immediately said the same thing in commentary. It shouldn't be a penalty but it likely will be.
There is essentially no handball law anymore, it is 99% interpretation. Which is why it took so long for VAR to all look at each other and shrug their shoulders.

I'll be honest, I've seen worse (Dier versus Newcastle when he was facing the other way & Sissoko CL final) but it's just the sheer inconsistency that is causing the issue. The ball is going to hit hands regularly, regardless of body position - all this silhouette and natural position bollocks is making things worse.

 

[Dave1976]

Tottenham boss Ange Postecoglou joked he will have to develop “armless defenders” after Cristian Romero’s handball conceded a controversial penalty in Sunday’s 2-2 draw against north London rivals Arsenal.

Source: Fox Sports

“I’ve got no idea about the handball rule. I really don’t. It just seems if it hits your hand it’s a penalty and then other times if it hits your hand, it isn’t a penalty,” Postecoglou said.

“It is the one rule in the game I just don’t understand. Unless we start developing armless defenders I don’t know how you are supposed to block things and be in a natural position.

“It is what it is. You kind of hope these things even themselves out over the course of a year but I don’t understand the handball rule. I think any clarity would be good.”

I'm not 100% against VAR, but there should be a 60 / 90 second rule for them to look at it. If the VAR can't make a decision by then, it's clearly not obvious. I'd also go for a stop watch on the big screens in stadiums so fans know excactly how long there is before a decision needs to be made. It also makes it a bit more interactive.

p.s. Never a penalty.

 

[littlewilly]

I was a ref for 30 years, retired in 2001. The only questions for me, ever, were - was it in the box? did he handle it intentionally? Seemed to work better then.

 

[chas vs dave]

I was a ref for 30 years, retired in 2001. The only questions for me, ever, were - was it in the box? did he handle it intentionally? Seemed to work better then.

That's the most simple explanation. It's too convoluted now.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Just go back to how it was. Hand to ball. The end.

 

[Japhet]

Same with penalties really. It used to have to be a foul inside the box. Now it's just the faintest of touches that wouldn't be a free kick anywhere else on the pitch.

 

[littlewilly]

Just go back to how it was. Hand to ball. The end.

I often hear this expression but it’s not quite the whole story. You can have your arm down by your side and simply leave it there as someone shoots, not moving it yet making no effort to get it out of the way. Thus he intentionally allowed the ball to hit his arm/hand. That’s why you need to say, in the opinion of the referee, was that handball intentional? It’s surprisingly easy to judge in 9 cases out of 10, in my opinion of course.

 

[newbie]

The hand ball, was ball to hand.

His hand stopped a goal scoring opportunity though. Then you have Gordon, hand balled it clearly for Newcastle’s first goal but it doest count as it was an Assist!

Off side, hand ball we get some crap decisions the law is a bit stupid. Personally, I think common sense it was a penalty..

Worst of all why was there striker not sent off that was a horrendous potential, leg breaking challenge

 

[Dr Know]

The standard of refereeing in the best league in the world is atrocious. I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses either as I still can't believe Cuti got away with the hair pull.

I really feel we should have a ref sub or we really need to start looking at bringing in referees from outside of the UK .

 

[Phantom]

Agree with Ange completely but the biggest sham of a decision was the lack of red card

 

[newbie]

The standard of refereeing in the best league in the world is atrocious. I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses either as I still can't believe Cuti got away with the hair pull.

I really feel we should have a ref sub or we really need to start looking at bringing in referees from outside of the UK .

Why is var so inconsistent, Chelsea the card is changed due to far why was it not in our game ?

 

[Japhet]

Dermot Gallagher now saying that Romero was 'lucky' not to be sent off for the handball because Bissouma was on the goal line. I mean, what absolute bollocks. The ball hit him from about 3 feet away after a deflection FFS! Not like he dived to save a shot into an empty net! Gallagher is a complete insufferable bellend.

 

[newbie]

Dermot Gallagher now saying that Romero was 'lucky' not to be sent off for the handball because Bissouma was on the goal line. I mean, what absolute bollocks. The ball hit him from about 3 feet away after a deflection FFS! Not like he dived to save a shot into an empty net! Gallagher is a complete insufferable bellend.

What a xxxx

 

[Locotoro]

I often hear this expression but it’s not quite the whole story. You can have your arm down by your side and simply leave it there as someone shoots, not moving it yet making no effort to get it out of the way. Thus he intentionally allowed the ball to hit his arm/hand. That’s why you need to say, in the opinion of the referee, was that handball intentional? It’s surprisingly easy to judge in 9 cases out of 10, in my opinion of course.

To be honest, I remember the headache that surrounded the old rules with judging the intentional element of it and asking if it was ball to hand or hand to ball. Then they switched it to unnatural or natural movements or positions and this is where we are now.

I would much rather remove all subjective elements from this and state categorically "if your arm is away from your body and the ball hits your arm from the sleeve down its hand ball". The moment you add anything else it becomes opinion.

At least that way, everyone will know the rule and there will be clarity even if unfair at times

 

[Dr Know]

To be honest, I remember the headache that surrounded the old rules with judging the intentional element of it and asking if it was ball to hand or hand to ball. Then they switched it to unnatural or natural movements or positions and this is where we are now.

I would much rather remove all subjective elements from this and state categorically "if your arm is away from your body and the ball hits your arm from the sleeve down its hand ball". The moment you add anything else it becomes opinion.

At least that way, everyone will know the rule and there will be clarity even if unfair at times

The problem comes when you leave it to interpretation. Every ref will have a different interpretation. If you're making rules, they need to be set in stone.
What we need is referees from outside of the UK. I feel we make get a less biased approach to the game.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

If they binned the thing completely I wouldn't complain one bit. It seems to me we had less controversy when refs were allowed to fuck up (or not) without it

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Refs get the hard end of the stick. I don't think interpretive rules help. I also think they constantly get new directives. Rather then letting it all settle. Which makes their lives even harder.

I don't think reffing is much better elsewhere. Some of the worst I've witnessed has been in the European games?