A general Spurs review of this season, hopes, past, fans etc. (Part 1)

[C0YS]

In the past few years I have noticed that some spurs fans have mabye a "overexpectance" or a faaaar to pesimistic. I will try to write a balenced arguement of all things spur. fans, this season, past etc.I hope to put things back in prospective and not come to rediculaus conclusions etc.

This Season........so far

This season started with a lot of "chaos" with spurs losing there first game and us not doing well in the early season. Which also was made into a crisis by the meeting with one Mr Ramos, which undermined the state of affairs. Both in Spurs and Sevillia, and I understand this was probably not the first time these two parties met (spurs and Ramos IMO). Some argue that Levy had a private battle with Jol and was just waiting for the time to sack him, witch althogh exagerated I belive its closer to the truth then one might expect. While others belive Levy was just taking the logical step forward. I was probably a mix of the both. This created uncertainty in the club. And Jol was finaly sacked on the 25th of october. Who is 7th in the all time win % list (of tottenham) with 45.27. Ramos currently sits 3rd.

Ramos made some instant changes. some of the most notable were to resort into a 3-4-3 formations during games, which relied heavly on Zokora. And made instant impact during games. He also alowed O'Hara to make his debut against Pompey where he threaded a butifull pass which led towards the goal. But most famous of all is the diet which romos put in place, which many fans if not all see the effects it has had upon the player, even tho' Ramos has stated that the diet has got "more credit then it deserves".

Spurs have battled in all fronts this season but not to as great success as last season

This season
FA cup=4th round, went out to Man utd
last season
quarter-finals=went out to Chelsea (eventual winners)

This season
League cup=winners
last season
semi-finalists lost to Arsenal

This season
League=11th*
last season
5th

This season
UEFA cup=last 16 lost to PSV* in pens
last season
quarter finals lost to sevillia (eventual winners)

*subject of change

So althogh in paper this season is worse then last season. winning the CC is enough to tilt the fans minds (including mine) because winning cups is what its all about.

Inconsistency

Throughout are past we have been filled with a lot of inconsistancy, only in the 60s and early 80s/70s you say otherwise. Well in terms of winning trophys anyway.

Gaps between cups (excluding comunity shield)
1901-1921=20years (including war years)
1921-1951=30years (including war years)
1951-1961=10years
1961-1961=0years
1961-1962=1year
1962-1963=1year
1963-1967=4years
1967-1971=4years
1971-1972=1year
1972-1973=1year
1972-1981=9years
1981-1982=1 year
1982-1984=2years
1984-1991=7years
1991-1999=8years
1999-2008=9years

which makes a mean of every 7 years we win a trophy. So 9 years is not a very long wait for a trophy for spurs. We just belive it is because we think of the 80s/60s and are sometimes unwilling to see that there are some pritty barren periods for spurs as well as those glory moments we all remember. and Im happy that my first memrable moment as a spurs fan came this year, but I accept that it could be a long time till I experiance anything similare.

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I shall continue this tomorow......but all critisism is exepted, and listened to......."phew" that was hard work........

 

[DC_Boy]

great stuff COYS - I love a bit of historical perspective, me.

unsurprisingly, given my other posts on these matters, I have to disagree this has been a worse season than last on paper - for me winning a trophy means it's better on paper and in grasstreading reality

As you rightly point out it takes quite a few years on average for us to pick up a trophy - so when one comes along boy do I enjoy it

re inconsistencty - again you make some very good points -

A lot of supporters, spurs and non-spurs alike, brand us as inconsistent - I can see their point - but actually we're one of the most consistent when it comes to winning trophies

indeed not just consistent - but in a super elite of just two clubs (amongst the 100+ pro clubs and thousands of decent clubs in England) that during the last six decades have won a major trophy each decade - to be fair to Utd they are actually in a super super elite of one having done the trick for seven decades in a row

so compared to most clubs we're the height of consistency when it comes to trophies and indeed lge performance

durin the past 6 decades again - only three seasons out of the top flight - only topped by manu AFC (cheated their way in to begin with - so don't count) and perhaps everton - (they are maybe the same)

it baffles me why so many of our own continually lambast us for under acheiving - during my lifetme (50+ years) we have over achieved -

the under acheivers have been teams like West Ham Burnley Portsmouth Bolton Blackburn Blackpool Charlton Wolves Toon Sunderland Man City to name a few

 

[TheChosenOne]

Just a quickie.... We lost to Sevilla in the last 8 ( quarter finals !)

 

[C0YS]

Just a quickie.... We lost to Sevilla in the last 8 ( quarter finals !)

cheers mate changed :up:

 

[Bulletspur]

Nice reading COYs. Very informative, quite a few of these facts I was unaware of. As DC said, there is only one other club that has won at least one cup in the past six decades, and that is awesome.

It also puts into perspective our expectations. You rightly point out that we win a cup at an average every 7 years, so anything more is a bonus.

However I, like a quite a few I would imagine, would want the average to go down even more. That is not being unrealistic as we are quite capable of bringing it down to say, 5 years? What is unrealistic is expecting us to win a cup every season as we are no where near that level yet.

It also make the other fans like Newcastle, West Ham, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Manchester City and Everton look silly when they mock us and have a laugh at our expense, what have they won recently? :shrug:

 

[Mullers]

Well if we are going to call ourselves a big club who want to break into the top four, then a trophy once every seven years isn't good enough.

 

[DC_Boy]

It also make the other fans like Newcastle, West Ham, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Manchester City and Everton look silly when they mock us and have a laugh at our expense, what have they won recently? :shrug:

BS - from memory last trophies won of the above (and amonunt of trophies we've won since their last trophy)

Toon - 69 (9 trophies) - Hammers 80 - (6) - Villa 96 (2) - Rovers 2002 (1) City 76 (6) Toffees 95 (2)

 

[DC_Boy]

Well if we are going to call ourselves a big club who want to break into the top four, then a trophy once every seven years isn't good enough.

Hi Mullers - it's the old big club definition isn't it - here's some clubs who (fans/chairmen/etc) call themselves or have done during my lifetime big/bigger than/as big as us

Toon Charlton Everton QPR Luton Hammers Soton Wimbledon Palace Citeh Rovers Bolton Forest Leeds the list goes on & on actually

we've won more than all of them -so it just depends on what you mean by big - by their definition we must be massive as we've outperformed them all - and some like Hammers we've ritually humiliated (coming up to 11 straight decades of dominace over them next season - and a 17-4 hammering trophy-wise

 

[DoublePivot]

Hi Mullers - it's the old big club definition isn't it - here's some clubs who (fans/chairmen/etc) call themselves or have done during my lifetime big/bigger than/as big as us

Toon Charlton Everton QPR Luton Hammers Soton Wimbledon Palace Citeh Rovers Bolton Forest Leeds the list goes on & on actually

we've won more than all of them -so it just depends on what you mean by big - by their definition we must be massive as we've outperformed them all - and some like Hammers we've ritually humiliated (coming up to 11 straight decades of dominace over them next season - and a 17-4 hammering trophy-wise

And then there is a certain big club in North London that have won sweet fa in the past 3 years :grin:

 

[DC_Boy]

And then there is a certain big club in North London that have won sweet fa in the past 3 years :grin:

DD - here's looking forward to 4 seasons - come oon liverpool - win your next two games and what's that I hear - clang clunk clang merde - yep it's the sound of wheels falling off

 

[Mullers]

Hi Mullers - it's the old big club definition isn't it - here's some clubs who (fans/chairmen/etc) call themselves or have done during my lifetime big/bigger than/as big as us

Toon Charlton Everton QPR Luton Hammers Soton Wimbledon Palace Citeh Rovers Bolton Forest Leeds the list goes on & on actually

we've won more than all of them -so it just depends on what you mean by big - by their definition we must be massive as we've outperformed them all - and some like Hammers we've ritually humiliated (coming up to 11 straight decades of dominace over them next season - and a 17-4 hammering trophy-wise

Hi DC
Looking at some of those teams, I'd say there are some pretty deluded fans out there. :lol:

The thing is DC we didn't employ a manager like Ramos and pay him excellent money so he can win us a trophy just once every seven years. I think Jol would have been more than capable of winning us a trophy in that time frame.

How do we expect to attract top class players and make them stay on long contracts if we tell them we're only going to win something every seven years?

 

[C0YS]

Hi DC
Looking at some of those teams, I'd say there are some pretty deluded fans out there. :lol:

The thing is DC we didn't employ a manager like Ramos and pay him excellent money so he can win us a trophy just once every seven years. I think Jol would have been more than capable of winning us a trophy in that time frame.

How do we expect to attract top class players and make them stay on long contracts if we tell them we're only going to win something every seven years?

Well if you acctually look at those stats you will find that when we win a trophy it normally only takes us a couple of years to back it up. i.e. in 60s, 70s (before relegation that is, that inconsistancy Im talking about:wink. Anyway if you look at teams like chelsea who win things a lot less often then us, we cant call them "big" because they will only win something every dozen years or so, no player would want to go there :wink:. In your definition of "big" i.e. winning cups in a frequent basis, the only 2 consistently "big" clubs are Man utd, and argubly Liverpool, everybody else comes and goes. This is a club going somewhere and I hope we will be in the next 10 years or so (hopefully early earlier) I will hope we will reach an era of great succsess, you never know it could of started already!

 

[SpurSince57]

Might I add, since we were promoted in 1950 only the Scum have been longer in the top flight, and only United for as many years.

A trophy of some description every 8-9 years on average? Don't knock it, kids. A whole lot of clubs would like some of that.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Might I add, since we were promoted in 1950 only the Scum have been longer in the top flight, and only United for as many years.

A trophy of some description every 8-9 years on average? Don't knock it, kids. A whole lot of clubs would like some of that.

Everton :shrug:


EDIT: Silly me, just checked = since 1953/54

the audacity. apols.

 

[Mullers]

Well if you acctually look at those stats you will find that when we win a trophy it normally only takes us a couple of years to back it up. i.e. in 60s, 70s (before relegation that is, that inconsistancy Im talking about:wink. Anyway if you look at teams like chelsea who win things a lot less often then us, we cant call them "big" because they will only win something every dozen years or so, no player would want to go there :wink:. In your definition of "big" i.e. winning cups in a frequent basis, the only 2 consistently "big" clubs are Man utd, and argubly Liverpool, everybody else comes and goes. This is a club going somewhere and I hope we will be in the next 10 years or so (hopefully early earlier) I will hope we will reach an era of great succsess, you never know it could of started already!

Do we really want to wait seven, eight, nine years for the next trophy? Chelsea are a big club they won two cups last season they are consistently in the champions league and all we did is bring out a DVD of our league victory against them that season.

I hope the club are going somewhere but we have a nasty habit of shooting ourselves in the foot.

 

[C0YS]

Might I add, since we were promoted in 1950 only the Scum have been longer in the top flight, and only United for as many years.

A trophy of some description every 8-9 years on average? Don't knock it, kids. A whole lot of clubs would like some of that.

something I was trying to put across in the thread but dont think I clearly explained

 

[C0YS]

Do we really want to wait seven, eight, nine years for the next trophy? Chelsea are a big club they won two cups last season they are consistently in the champions league and all we did is bring out a DVD of our league victory against them that season.

I hope the club are going somewhere but we have a nasty habit of shooting ourselves in the foot.

Be happy we won a trophy this year.

p.s. READ what I wrote dont scan through it!!:wink:

we have also a habit of following are trophys up, but yes we do also mess it up sometimes especially in reacent years, but we know have a better team then we have had since 1991, arguebly better, but this will go in my Part 2 tomorrow morning.

 

[Mullers]

A trophy of some description every 8-9 years on average? Don't knock it, kids. A whole lot of clubs would like some of that.

But we want better than don't we? Otherwise we'd all be happy to accept our lot and wouldn't be posting about what players Ramos should get to improve the side.

 

[C0YS]

But we want better than don't we? Otherwise we'd all be happy to accept our lot and wouldn't be posting about what players Ramos should get to improve the side.

We always want better, if we one the FA cup and the League next season we will be wanting the Champions League, but the truth is we have to enjoy what we have won this year, instead of always wanting.

 

[Mullers]

Be happy we won a trophy this year.

p.s. READ what I wrote dont scan through it!!:wink:

we have also a habit of following are trophys up, but yes we do also mess it up sometimes especially in reacent years, but we know have a better team then we have had since 1991, arguebly better, but this will go in my Part 2 tomorrow morning.

I happy we won a trophy this year I'm not happy though about finishing midtable in the league or being stuffed by Newcastle and Birmingham city.