A general Spurs review of this season, hopes, past, fans etc. (Part 1)

[Mullers]

We always want better, if we one the FA cup and the League next season we will be wanting the Champions League, but the truth is we have to engoy what we have won this year, instead of always wanting.

personally if we are up there at last challenging for major trophies then Im happy.

 

[SpurSince57]

But we want better than don't we? Otherwise we'd all be happy to accept our lot and wouldn't be posting about what players Ramos should get to improve the side.

Well of course we do. That goes without saying. It's simply worth reminding ourselves that we have a record that, if it doesn't match with the very best, puts us near the top of the rest.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Interesting read. We have won at least one trophy every decade since the 50's. We should be pretty proud. Alot of those years we've maintained a tradition of not boring the bollocks off people too.

Good effort COYS.

 

[N10toN17]

Great thread coys well done, nice to see the likes of DC and SS57 writing good stuff on here as well, I like this thread, positive about our great history and tradition, yes we want better that goes without saying, but there are 92 professional football clubs out there and we're better than nearly all of them, something not to be sniffed at.

One last thing coys, shouldn't the top figure be 19 years instead of 9?

 

[DC_Boy]

Hi DC
Looking at some of those teams, I'd say there are some pretty deluded fans out there. :lol:

The thing is DC we didn't employ a manager like Ramos and pay him excellent money so he can win us a trophy just once every seven years. I think Jol would have been more than capable of winning us a trophy in that time frame.

How do we expect to attract top class players and make them stay on long contracts if we tell them we're only going to win something every seven years?

Hi Mullers Well you're right about the delusions - but what happens is time and again, there'll be 'new kid on the block' - (usually a famous old club revitalised - but sometimes as in the case of Wimbledon or Watford genuinely new to the big time) - they'll finish above us for one or two seasons, and suddenly they're as big as/bigger than us according to some

I kid you not - I've seen/heard those claims from every club I've mentioned above during the last 50 years

Remember the ridiculous claims about Charlton 'London's third club' on the basis of a couple of good league seasons and the possibility of a bigger ground than us.

You might not be old enough to remember Crystal Palace being 'the team of the 80s' (self-proclaimed of course) - I do - I'm still laughing about it to the present day -

I could go on reminscing - I've no idea how old you are Mullers, but when you've read the claims of other clubs (and they very often go straight for us in their comparisions) for as long as I have it gives you a great perspective on the next claimants

As for the 1 in seven stat - yes we want to do beter than that - but so do city so pompey so do west ham so do Everton, Villa, rovers etc etc - it ain't easy

I'm not at all confident Jol would have managed it had he been given 7 years - he was already losing some of the crowd this season - I don't think we'd have won anything with him this season - he'd have lost more of the crowd then, the pressure would have grown etc

Of course we don't tell players it's a 7 year wait for trophydom - but who can foget Carr going to Toon to win trophies - they were on a thirty plus year wait then - they're still waiting now and Carr's career is efectively over trophy-wise as far as I can see

There are only 4 clubs in england to join for more or less guaranteed trophies- but even then Arsenal and/or Pool players might be getting itchy feet if only one or neither wins anything this year

 

[DC_Boy]

We always want better, if we one the FA cup and the League next season we will be wanting the Champions League, but the truth is we have to enjoy what we have won this year, instead of always wanting.

so well said COYS I really feel sorry for any Spurs fan who hasn't enjoyed the past three years (overall) - cos speaking as someone who's been following the club nearly 50 years and who is a keen student of our history, this is 'better than normal' for us, and is far better than normal for the vast majority of clubs in this country

 

[DC_Boy]

Great thread coys well done, nice to see the likes of DC and SS57 writing good stuff on here as well, I like this thread, positive about our great history and tradition, yes we want better that goes without saying, but there are 92 professional football clubs out there and we're better than nearly all of them, something not to be sniffed at.
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Cheers N10 - actually with the Conference, or Blue Square whatever it is these days, being a virtual '5th division' my guess is that there are in excess of 100 pro clubs these days.

As you, BC, 57 and others have said/implied. Be proud of what we've done - there are so many clubs (often with plenty of money/support) competing for the prizes - competing indeed just to get in/stay in the Prem (who can forget the 'Ammers bus parade to celebrate something we've managed for 49 out of the past 50 years without getting the coach out every year - playing top flight football)

Of course we want better, hopefully we'll get it, but it's never gonna be easy for us or the vast majority of clubs to win stuff and keep in the top flight -

if it was that easy, 'Big Club' Toon wouldn't be waiting 39 years to win one, 'Massive' Citeh wouldn't be waiting 32 years (note to Mullers - didn't stop Petrov and Elano joining though did it) and 'We're bigger than you' (yes I've actually read Hammers fans saying this :grin West Ham wouldn't be waiting 28 years etc etc

 

[Koba]

7 years per trophy isnt bad really. And even than I think that stat is flawed. This is admittedly based on an assumption, but I'm assuming that in that average you used the periods of war. I'm pretty sure I'm right in thinking there was no football for some periods, not sure how long, I'm not really too into the history of the world wars.
Now it probably wont affect the stats that much, but if there were say 5 (just a number plucked out of the air) of those years where there was no football, we could potentially be looking at an aveerage of a 6 year wait.
Fair play to you though, it's a nice way of looking at it, although I think the trophy only just makes up for the league position after 2 good years, but what do you expect after such an unsettled start.

 

[C0YS]

7 years per trophy isnt bad really. And even than I think that stat is flawed. This is admittedly based on an assumption, but I'm assuming that in that average you used the periods of war. I'm pretty sure I'm right in thinking there was no football for some periods, not sure how long, I'm not really too into the history of the world wars.
Now it probably wont affect the stats that much, but if there were say 5 (just a number plucked out of the air) of those years where there was no football, we could potentially be looking at an aveerage of a 6 year wait.
Fair play to you though, it's a nice way of looking at it, although I think the trophy only just makes up for the league position after 2 good years, but what do you expect after such an unsettled start.

there was during the second world war at least football being played, to up morale, so i included these mainly 'cause I couldnt be bothered excluding those years, so it could infact be less then a 7year wait per trophy, but I doubt it would of made the greatest difference TBH

 

[C0YS]

Great thread coys well done, nice to see the likes of DC and SS57 writing good stuff on here as well, I like this thread, positive about our great history and tradition, yes we want better that goes without saying, but there are 92 professional football clubs out there and we're better than nearly all of them, something not to be sniffed at.

One last thing coys, shouldn't the top figure be 19 years instead of 9?

Oh you..........deleted figure. now starts from 1901-1921. average stays the same

 

[SpurSince57]

there was during the second world war at least football being played, to up morale, so i included these mainly 'cause I couldnt be bothered excluding those years, so it could infact be less then a 7year wait per trophy, but I doubt it would of made the greatest difference TBH

In WWII we played in the Football League South and were champions twice and runners-up once, but it hardly counted as proper football. Many players were on active service and turned out for Spurs as and when they could; in 1940-41 at least league positions were decided by goal average because teams played different numbers of games—checking Topspurs, I see that several games were abandoned because of air-raids! The situation was similar in WWI, when we played in the London Combination League.

 

[TheBigMatch]

What struck me was the 9 years between 1972 and 1981...... What?.... didn't seem that long.... and it wasn't the League Cup in 1973 counts I'm sure. Haven't read through all the posts but apologies if already pointed out.

Still 8 years was a longtime but between the turmoil of them making Terry Neill manager (more of a shock than Bill quitting), relegation, bounce back promotion, the debut of that fat faced schoolboy Hoddle, and the signing of Ardiles and Villa,... it really didn't seem that long at all. Life as a Spurs fan was still exciting. And the joy of watching Villa scoring the winner against City in 1981 hasn't even been surpassed by Woodgates winner.

Supporting Spurs over the years has always been a roller coaster ride. Jol brought us back up for a view from the top only to disappoint against l'arse, chelsea and Sevilla. He was hard done by at the start of this season and Ramos's reign continues to demonstrate where the weakness of our squad is. But we did peak in the League Cup Final and we look forward to more glory next season. Thank you Martin, but long reign Ramos. It's been a glorious roller coaster season.

 

[DC_Boy]

good points TBM - and yes it was eigth years (i was at the 73 wembley in)- that included relegation

we only got promoted on goal difference from memory - it was a close run thing - and no promotion no ossie & ricky methinks and how long could we have held onto Hod

that was a vital promotion - though of course maybe things would have turned out even better without it - doubt it though

 

[TheBigMatch]

Do we really want to wait seven, eight, nine years for the next trophy? Chelsea are a big club they won two cups last season they are consistently in the champions league and all we did is bring out a DVD of our league victory against them that season.

I hope the club are going somewhere but we have a nasty habit of shooting ourselves in the foot.

Chelsea are a big club because some Russian has his hands on lake fulls of Russian oil which many would say should belong to the Russian people not being spent on a "big club" like Chelsea.

It will be a very long time, if it happens at all, before Chelsea surpass Spurs in terms of trophies won.

Last time I checked Spurs have won more major trophies than all others bar the historical top three of Liverpool, Man United, and ar5ena1.

And if I'm not mistaken Spurs have won more cups than ar5sena1; including being more successful in terms of European trophies won.... in fact a UEFA Cup win next season will probably see us twice as successful.

Plus if it's league positions we are concerned about: during our worst period, the bad old Premiership years, we've been the 6th best, Everton just about pip us into 5th place.

So forget about 10th or 11th this season. It has been a glorious rollercoaster transition season from what was statistically our most successful manager for 20 years to what will by the end of next season hopefully be in terms of trophies the most successful Spurs manager in 25 years.

Next season it will be back to matching Jol's 5th, or dare I say claiming 4th, and a cup again (UEFA).

Come On You Spurs!

 

[DC_Boy]

good points again TBM Though i'm afraid to say Villa are ahead of us too - of course most of their trophies came in the Victorian era - but hey they still count

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Every team has its day, and Spurs have had quite a few and I'm proud to be a life-long supporter.

Because football has changed so much over the years, from pure home-grown sport to international/global big business, it's difficult to compare and assess success now with success of yesteryear.

We have won a trophy this year, which is really lovely to see and I have great belief in Ramos, that he will turn the fortunes around at Tottenham, just as he has done so far without even a full season of management. Don't get me wrong, I loved MJ, but Ramos is in a different class and he will ensure that our team will be too over the coming seasons.

There will be changes and, inevitably, some players will go and be replaced with better, more consistent footballers - that process has already begun.

I feel optimistic about adding more honours to that long and proud list.