A Yid or not a Yid......

[sheringmann]

Looks like the old debate is up again.....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2011-04-14-1979135918_x.htm?

While I personally dont like the Yiddo-chants....it doesnt mean that my opinion is the correct one... I would really like your views on the matter....

Should "Yiddo"-chants be banned from the terraces?

Link with video...

http://www.tottenhamblog.com/2011/04/14/kick-it-outs-new-capaign-the-y-word-and-us-yiddos/?

 

[JonnySpurs]

I'm not religious in the slightest despite having been christened by my parents and if I wanted to open another debate up then I'd explain what I really think of religion.....and it's not flattering.

HOWEVER....

I'm frankly proud to call myself a "yid" if it works as a way of spitting in the face of the morons and idiots that have ever used it as a racist slur towards our club or fan base. I mean there is arguably no better showing of solidarity amongst a set of people that don't even know each other than that they can unite under a religion that a significant amount of them don't even follow.

 

[Azrael]

Well, I come up from a Jewish backrgound on my mother's side and I was always taught it was offenisive. So I have to say I don't particularly like it. But, that said, the last time we had this debate it seems the majority of fans have no problem with it, including some Jewish fans, so I guess if the majority think it's harmless that's what you have to go with. Also, with the club having Jewish people in the structure of the club, includling the chariman, you have to think that if they considered it offensive they would have started asking for fans to stop by now, a la the Adebayour chant.

 

[Spurger King]

Well, I come up from a Jewish backrgound on my mother's side and I was always taught it was offenisive. So I have to say I don't particularly like it. But, that said, the last time we had this debate it seems the majority of fans have no problem with it, including some Jewish fans, so I guess if the majority think it's harmless that's what you have to go with. Also, with the club having Jewish people in the structure of the club, includling the chariman, you have to think that if they considered it offensive they would have started asking for fans to stop by now, a la the Adebayour chant.

You've just put an image in my head of Levy standing in his box with a loudspeaker,yelling at the Park Lane "Stop that...stop that right now."

And the Park Lane faithful replying in unison "yiddo, yiddo, yiddo..."

:lol:

 

[worcestersauce]

Just had a quick read of the article and yet again it has got it totally wrong and arse upp'ards, if this is what the kick it out campaign is saying then they completely fail to understand the nature and the origins of the case, they should be educated with the facts and then argue their case on that basis.

 

[cusop]

I originally did not like it as I thought it was offensive, but now I have completely changed my mind. This git on KR of Football is a complete cock and is just looking to draw attention ti himself. He is probably running out of money and is looking for any way to get a bit celebrity status back in his life.

But if I thought the chants offend the majority of Jewish spurs fans then I would want it to stop. But I tend to think it does not. I know Gentiles that will willing subject themselves to having the star of David tattooed on their back because of the love of spurs. says it all really

 

[sheringmann]

But the question is who is to say that the Yid-chants are offensive? Us or the people being offended? Because someone clearly do....

Its like if someone calls you a dickhead...and you dont like it, but everybody will keep on calling you that because they dont find it offensive....

 

[dav3j]

Think it's bloody ridiculous myself, it's like they've run out of things to campaign against Spurs for having already picked up on the Adebayor chant.

Don't know why they're claiming that the Spurs fans chanting it is inciting other fans to use it against us. Do they even realise why it was adopted as a badge of honour in the first place?

 

[ravo]

Just watched the vid. This must have been filmed a while ago, as Ledley is wearing last season's training kit.

Anyhow, until the CLUB say the word should stop, then nothing is really going to happen.

Must say that I hate racism and those (insert rival club name here) fans really fucked me off with that Aushwitz chant - that's just awful, seriously awful. Anyone who thinks that is the slightest bit funny has got serious issues.

 

[ravo]

On another note, being an Aussie, I had never heard of the 'P' word being a bad thing until I came to live in London. It's kinda like I'm going to take offensive for being called an Aussie...

I guess it can really be a grey area sometimes, hence the endless debate.

 

[millsie]

Who cares what the Yanks write about "soccer". Oops.... maybe Yanks is not P.C.

 

[Krafty]

Some may say its a derogatory word, but I take the word Yid and wear it with pride.

I'm not jewish, and I wouldnt say I know a lot of jewish people or live in an area with a large jewish presence, but the only times I have heard the word Yid has been in reference to being a Tottenham Hotspur fan, nothing to do with religion.

On a kind of related note, I cant see why its alright to call someone a lanky piece of piss, or a fat so and so, but if you insult another purely physical feature then its outrageous. By making a big deal out of it, you empower the person hurling the abuse. Of course it would be nice if everyone could be friendly to each other (or just shut up).

With this in mind, I dont mind the word Yid because I take it to mean being a Spurs fan, which I am, and there was nothing better than being on the school bus, me and two other spurs fans, and on utd fan who was getting really angry that we were happy for him to call us yids.

 

[worcestersauce]

But the question is who is to say that the Yid-chants are offensive? Us or the people being offended? Because someone clearly do....

Its like if someone calls you a dickhead...and you dont like it, but everybody will keep on calling you that because they dont find it offensive....

Surely the analogy is if you call yourself a dickhead, no?

Think it's bloody ridiculous myself, it's like they've run out of things to campaign against Spurs for having already picked up on the Adebayor chant.

Don't know why they're claiming that the Spurs fans chanting it is inciting other fans to use it against us. Do they even realise why it was adopted as a badge of honour in the first place?

No they don't and no matter how many times you explain it they refuse to take it on board.

 

[sloth]

I saw David Baddiel and his brother were behind the vid. A quick google shows David's been a long-time campaigner against the Yid chant, but as it's done by his fellow Chelsea supporters.

This has nothing to do with Spurs fans. We sing it as a badge of pride, us singing it and calling ourselves it has reduced the word when it's used in our context by most fans to something harmless.

If some of Baddiel's fellow Chelsea supporters do the zeig heil and make the hissing noise then that's their look out and the should be banned and the club fined or have points docked.

Targeting us like this (especially with a bunch of privileged non-jews on the the vid) is like a middle-class white boy trying to tell a black man not to call his mate nigger because doesn't he know it's racist.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

It depends in what context the word is being used. If it's being used in a manner which is offensive then of course, it's racist, but as a few people have said we wear it as a badge of pride.

We (well, the fans that went before us and some of the older fans here) have no doubt been abused with the "Yid" taunt for decades, but we took it back and empowered ourselves with it. This is a positive thing, for me. If it's not a positive seen as a positive thing by some then Baddiel and his ilk obviously think there's something wrong with being a "Yid" which is in itself racist towards those who are in fact Yiddish! (not sure how many of our fans are actually Yiddish, since it refers to the Ashkenazi Jews in particular).

I agree with Sloth's comment that "Targeting us like this (especially with a bunch of privileged non-jews on the the vid) is like a middle-class white boy trying to tell a black man not to call his mate nigger because doesn't he know it's racist"

Nicely put indeed.

 

[DoublePivot]

People don't even read the USA Today over here. It's business model is based on hotels and it rarely covers the sport outside of the WC.

 

[robin09]

I was expecting Lineker to say, "to you, that over there is just a tree. But to a racist, that tree is actually a 'Y word'. Look again...."

It's a ridiculous campaign. Stop the hissing and stuff from the opposition, fine. But don't stop the jewish supported club being proud of its roots. I think they've got confused between spurs songs, and away fan songs.

The cut to the gooner saying "isit?" cracks me up for some reason.

 

[cusop]

This is not Wumming ( now i know what that is) But I get worried when cultral differences get posted about football in the USA, my wife is a massive Liverpool fan and went after someone in at the Boston Herald who completely misunderstands that we call them Bin Dippers and make fun about car wheels going missing. So to say that Americans have a limited sense of humour really over states the case.

Now for the WUM

Here is true ongoing law suit in texas!

Texas Bar sues Church
In a small Texas town, (Mt. Vernon) Drummond's bar began construction on a new building to increase their business. The local Baptist church started a campaign to block the bar from opening with petitions and prayers. Work progressed right up till the week before opening when lightning struck the bar and it burned to the ground.

The church folks were rather smug in their outlook after that, until the bar owner sued the church on the grounds that the church was ultimately responsible for the demise of his building, either through direct or indirect actions or means. The church vehemently denied all responsibility or any connection to the building's demise in its reply to the court.

As the case made its way into court, the judge looked over the paperwork. At the hearing he commented, 'I don't know how I'm going to decide this, but as it appears from the paperwork, we have a bar owner who believes in the power of prayer, and an entire church congregation that does not.'

How do you explain that on Sunday????

 

[BorisTM]

Looks like the old debate is up again.....

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2011-04-14-1979135918_x.htm?

While I personally dont like the Yiddo-chants....it doesnt mean that my opinion is the correct one... I would really like your views on the matter....

Should "Yiddo"-chants be banned from the terraces?

Link with video...

http://www.tottenhamblog.com/2011/04/14/kick-it-outs-new-capaign-the-y-word-and-us-yiddos/?

I don't even associate Yiddo with Jewish and never have, I do associate it with being a Spurs supporter. And I love it when the fans chant "YID ARMY".

I don't understand why people keep bringing this up. Why don't they mind their own F business?

 

[cusop]

I don't even associate Yiddo with Jewish and never have, I do associate it with being a Spurs supporter. And I love it when the fans chant "YID ARMY".

I don't understand why people keep bringing this up. Why don't they mind their own F business?

Same reason the Victoria Line never runs on match days