Adebayor chant, just plain wrong! yeah, the threads still going

[Mattspur]

Wasn't it more that a large section of the Spurs support were Jewish, and it was the other Spurs supporters joining with them in an alliance, turning the insults back on the attackers? I don't think that sounds funny, it's quite inspiring actually.

The difference is no one's sticking up for Adebayor, the origins are in causing offense and ridicule based on his race. The Yid Army chants are not for laughs - by all of the Spurs fans I know, they consider themselves to be Yids. You may not agree with that, and I'm interested to know the reasons behind that because you haven't really given them here, but it's not even remotely like the Adebayor argument.

no, it was more to do with the ownership of the club and a large jewish contingent in stanford hill.

What calling ourselfs yids does is make it ok for other teams to call us yids. Can you imagine if a team started calling another group of fans nwords, they'd be docked points and have to play their games behind closed doors.

now most people don't care about being called yids because they're not jewish, and as such they kept calling themselfs yids. It's gone on for so long now that many people don't understand it's origins. Plenty of people do though.

 

[bubble07]

"Adebayor, Adebayooor, your fuc*in scum and your mums a whore". Is everyone happy with that? However we should only be singing it when his playing. It is rather sad to start singing it randomly

 

[Stoof]

I give up. Life couldn't be shorter, and yet it's semantics, semantics, semantics.

Why bother doing or saying anything if you can offend at every step of the way. Matt, I may just have to applaud your stubborness because I'm certainly not going to ever stop chanting Yid Army. Or Yid-i-o. Or [X] is a yiddo. Ever. We've given ourselves an identity and desensitised that word. Can you not see that? It carries so much less of a stigma these days because of that. Is that an untruth? Does that cloud the image?

I have spoken to people outside of SC - I live in an historically Jewish Community. But look I'm not going to change your mind, or anyone elses and we're just circling here and quite frankly it's home time. As much as I enjoy being on here while the market's being shit it's doing my nut in technically. So carry on taking this debate away from Adebayor's Dad Washing Elephants as to what the title of this thread is *moderator hat off* and try and make that difference one poster at a time.

Logistically, do you really expect 36,000 in a stadium to stop chanting any of the yid related chants? Do you really? What is it you're trying to achieve? Is it awareness? Are people not aware of the offence it causes? Is it causing hate crimes? Is it causing people to cry into their sleep because football fans walked past them home in a jovial mood singing "Yid army" at 2am?

Just what?

I'm out. I'm done. I'll see you all Monday. Don't kill each other.

YID ARMY.

 

[Mattspur]

I live in Gants Hill (home of Simon Amstell :dance - and for, what must seem like the 10th time - I have never come across a man, woman or child offended by the term "yid". I go to Spurs with mates of Jewish background who chant Yid Army louder than I. It's a salute of respect to our heritage. The word is desensitised and no longer carries the stigma, except to the tiniest minority; which I suppose expect pandering to. Gumpf! My Utilitarian ways outed ... !

If i was walking down the road and someone called me a yid I'd give them such a smack they wouldn't get up for a week.

Stoof, we are from the same part of the world. I will happily show you you are wrong (lol, not talking about me). Infact why don't you go to the Lubavich center off of Gants Hill round about and ask what they think. The fact you believe what you say is just crazy. you are so so so so wrong it's unbelievable.

 

[Mattspur]

I give up. Life couldn't be shorter, and yet it's semantics, semantics, semantics.

Why bother doing or saying anything if you can offend at every step of the way. Matt, I may just have to applaud your stubborness because I'm certainly not going to ever stop chanting Yid Army. Or Yid-i-o. Or [X] is a yiddo. Ever. How decent of you. We've given ourselves an identity and desensitised that word. Can you not see that? Yes i can, and i don't like it. It carries so much less of a stigma these days because of that. Is that an untruth? Yes that statement is completely false. Does that cloud the image?

I have spoken to people outside of SC - I live in an historically Jewish Community. But look I'm not going to change your mind, or anyone elses and we're just circling here and quite frankly it's home time. As much as I enjoy being on here while the market's being shit it's doing my nut in technically. So carry on taking this debate away from Adebayor's Dad Washing Elephants as to what the title of this thread is *moderator hat off* and try and make that difference one poster at a time.

Logistically, do you really expect 36,000 in a stadium to stop chanting any of the yid related chants? Do you really? Unfortunatly no I don't. But if i don't stand up for what i believe in and know to be true, what sort of person am I? What is it you're trying to achieve? Is it awareness? Yes Are people not aware of the offence it causes? No, you are clearly not. Is it causing hate crimes? Is it causing people to cry into their sleep because football fans walked past them home in a jovial mood singing "Yid army" at 2am?

Just what?

I'm out. I'm done. I'll see you all Monday. Don't kill each other.

YID ARMY.

:shrug:

 

[sloth]

Mate, you've already said you are not black, there for you have no real understanding of what you are talking about.

I think that was me. I don't think anyone's claiming to know we're just saying what we think and how we feel, just like you are.

I can speak first hand of the issue I mentioned and can tell you with the greatest respect, I think you are very stupid.

Can I just point out that you may call a person 'very stupid' but it is impossible to do so with respect of any kind

Lastly on the serious point about the use of the word Yid by Tottenham supporters. I understand your view and it should be taken into account, but it also needs to be seen in its historical context: why it was taken up in the first place and the manner in which it's used.

I know it's a tricky subject, but I don't think racism exists merely in the eye of the beholder, nor do i think it is easy to define simply; there are necessarily grey areas but there are also places where it's black and white.

My problem with the Adebayour chant is that it ticks lots of dodgy boxes, without being totally clean-cut. I think the Yid chants from Spurs supporters also tick a few boxes but in the round, imo, it is a legitimate and non-racist appellate when used in the specific context that Spurs supporters do. I know you disagree.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Adebayor's father recently passed away?

 

[Evolution]

My problem with the Adebayour chant is that it ticks lots of dodgy boxes, without being totally clean-cut. I think the Yid chants from Spurs supporters also tick a few boxes but in the round, imo, it is a legitimate and non-racist appellate when used in the specific context that Spurs supporters do. I know you disagree.

:up: Spot on m8

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Adebayor's father recently passed away?

Indeed and it throws a big shadow over this whole topic to be honest

 

[Yid-ol]

i have hear worse :shrug: dont think the song is any good, but nothing racist like people are making it out to be.. i am sure there has been more racist comemtns said in the thread than in the song :lol:

 

[guiltyparty]

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Adebayor's father recently passed away?

Yeah. I think some are saying that makes it alright.

The big racists

Ahem. Sorry, even I'm sick of this now…

:razz:

 

[sheringmann]

Im making a poll....

 

[sloth]

I'm making a Dean... (it's more relevant :-|)

 

[sheringmann]

Somebody else make a poll......I have to go...lol

 

[Houdini]

Archibald&Crooks "Has anyone mentioned the fact that Adebayor's father recently passed away?"

Adebayor.......Adebayor,
His father is brown bread
And his mama's a whore

A bit more factual? :shrug:

 

[tt265]

Here's a facebook group some absolute pricks made. Perhaps this will shed some light on the people who sing that song:

Name:adebayor....adebayorrr....his dad washes elephants and his mum is a whore!!
Type:Just for Fun - Too Much Information
Description:he looks like a famin ravished result of bob geldoffs live aid and he plays for the woolwich scum and we beat them 5-1!



Perhaps now all the people who denied that the chant was racist will at least admit that many people who sing it are and that they're the kinds of pricks we don't want representing the mighty spurs.

 

[ever]

how the fuck is this still going on

 

[Bobbins]

It's just a really unfunny, boring, unoriginal and ignorant song. I hate it. It's embarrassing to hear our support sing it, especially when we're not even playing against Arsenal.

And most importantly, when we don't even have a proper song for Jenas and we're making this crap up about Scum players, then we'll always be jealous little no-hopers living in their shadow.

Make some bloody chants about how good our players are, for God's sake, not a piece of crap which only demonstrates how plainly racist you're capable of being. Congrats.

 

[AW?]

I don't think that's actually especially racist really.

It's a bit of a shit song though isn't it?

 

[AW?]

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Adebayor's father recently passed away?

Ah. Well that's not very nice. Although according to many on here i'm sure that makes it bloody hilarious.

 

[Yiddo777]

It's not racist and anyone who says it is, is racist themselves.