Alan Hutton

[Luka Lennon]

again why is Lennon marking Ballack a complete mismatch when Charlie has him covered in the build up?

infact he's not even marking him he's more like hiding behind him

there's no 2 ways about it Lennon was in the best position to spot and pick up Coles late run but he did feck all

Charlie got stretched because Lennon offered him no support. He had Ballack covered in the build up but at the last minute he sees Cole zipping in and was to late to stop him. Lennon was the one player who could have prevented Cole getting into that position and Lennon has the pace to do it too. Lennon standing or hiding behind Ballack makes no sense what so ever

 

[chrissivad]

Yes it does as it keeps the back line of 4 and then the midfeild line straight.

Thats what happens when defending, you switch players so your not pulled out of possition

 

[chrissivad]

And bad defending from Lennon.

Yeah, will happely say that as well

 

[Damian99]

again why is Lennon marking Ballack a complete mismatch when Charlie has him covered in the build up?

infact he's not even marking him he's more like hiding behind him

there's no 2 ways about it Lennon was in the best position to spot and pick up Coles late run but he did feck all

Charlie got stretched because Lennon offered him no support. He had Ballack covered in the build up but at the last minute he sees Cole zipping in and was to late to stop him. Lennon was the one player who could have prevented Cole getting into that position and Lennon has the pace to do it too. Lennon standing or hiding behind Ballack makes no sense what so ever

From someone(who i actually agreed with) who totally pulled Hutton apart for his part in uniteds 3rd goal i find your defence of corluka for his obvious part in chelsea 1st, a touch strange.

He has no idea whats around him as he ball watches from start to finish. He is not picking up Ballack, so thats no defence.

Should we start disecting the third goal now as that wasn't pretty defending either. :wink: Hell couldn't lennon have marked Drogba for him aswell

 

[Luka Lennon]

Yes it does as it keeps the back line of 4 and then the midfeild line straight.

Thats what happens when defending, you switch players so your not pulled out of possition

mate everybody and their dog new Bosingwa was about to whip in his 50th early cross of the game because we refused to close him down, so Lennon hiding behind Ballack is very pointless especially when Charlie has him covered.

what is Lennon going to do against Ballack in the air besides fvck all?

do you honestly think Charlie shoulda broke off to cover Cole and left Lennon with Ballack?

again Lennon is best placed and has the pace to stay with Cole and cut off his run

 

[Luka Lennon]

From someone(who i actually agreed with) who totally pulled Hutton apart for his part in uniteds 3rd goal i find your defence of corluka for his obvious part in chelsea 1st, a touch strange.

He has no idea whats around him as he ball watches from start to finish. He is not picking up Ballack, so thats no defence.

Should we start disecting the third goal now as that wasn't pretty defending either. :wink: Hell couldn't lennon have marked Drogba for him aswell

I think he was aware of Ballack as he'd been covering him already but had no idea Cole was coming in on his blind side but Lennon on the other hand seen Cole and did feck all to prevent him scoring

3rd goals a whole other story, after King went off we we're fecked as Charlie isn't a very good CB especially against a big bruiser like Drogba

 

[Damian99]

mate everybody and their dog new Bosingwa was about to whip in his 50th early cross of the game because we refused to close him down, so Lennon hiding behind Ballack is very pointless especially when Charlie has him covered.

what is Lennon going to do against Ballack in the air besides fvck all?

do you honestly think Charlie shoulda broke off to cover Cole and left Lennon with Ballack?

again Lennon is best placed and has the pace to stay with Cole and cut off his run

Not really following that? Corluka doesn't have to break off and do anything. He has to hold a line with the rest of his defence and be aware of the danger around him(that includes behind him) even before Bosingwa even thinks about putting a cross over, corluka should be aware of Cole. Corluka never looks anywhere other than at the ball all the time. His body position is wrong(as Hoddle also pointed out) He needs to beable to see the ball and also see whats around him(including cole)

One thing that is undisputable is that lack of apparent communication between Lennon and Corluka.

Oh and as Columbo would say "just one more thing" why are we discussing this in the Alan Hutton thread? :grin:

 

[Luka Lennon]

Not really following that? Corluka doesn't have to break off and do anything. He has to hold a line with the rest of his defence and be aware of the danger around him(that includes behind him) even before Bosingwa even thinks about putting a cross over, corluka should be aware of Cole. Corluka never looks anywhere other than at the ball all the time. His body position is wrong(as Hoddle also pointed out) He needs to beable to see the ball and also see whats around him(including cole)

One thing that is undisputable is that lack of apparent communication between Lennon and Corluka.

it was bad defending alround from Bosingwa being given way to much space all game to swing in cross after cross

I just think Lennon could've done alot more than nothing to prevent the goal. Cole snuck in on Charlies blind side and sure Charlie probably shoulda been aware of that but the fact is Lennon was aware of it seen Cole coming has the pace to get over there and challenge him but did feck all

like I said bad defending alround but Lennon was aware of he run before it was to late and did nothing were as Charlie wasn't but probably shoulda been

 

[steve]

Deary me, indeed.

As I wrote above, during the match itself, Lennon has a decision to make. If he lets Cole go past him into the penalty area, he has to - at the very least - give Charlie a shout.

We don't know for sure whether he does or not, but Corluka doesn't realize Cole is arriving until it's too late. Maybe Charlie was just catching some zzzs.....

Screengrabs don't have audio, so there's no point continuing this.

Corluka is responsible, he is a defender. It doesn't matter if it's Malouda, Cole or Terry, a quick look around (and yes a call would've helped but we don't know about this) will have clued him up. He was ball watching and didn't look around once and he had plenty of time to do so. Guilty as charged - it is his job 1st and foremost...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

It was really poor defending from a team perspective in general. Keane, despite being closer to Boswinga just stands there and so Palacios is forced to sprint from further away to try and close him down, Ekotto makes no attempt to close the cross down either, Lennon makes little attempt to help Corluka and Corluka just gets caught napping. shit all round.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Ah, here's the chat about Chelsea's first. I wondered why the comments in the match thread were so bare. Obviously Alan Hutton's pivotal role in the event justifies this location. :roll:

As I said in there, it's just great football from Chelsea and excellent tactics from Ancelotti. Why the hell is Cole Chelsea's most forward player? You have to defend according to what is likely to happen and Cole arriving there was prettty unlikely. It was all caused by King and Bassong doing so utterly brilliantly against Drogba and Anelka. However, due to the resources deployed there, Charlie had to cover a bigger area and got stretched by three attacking players looking for the cross.

If he or Azza had covered any single one of those three Bosingwa would have simply altered his cross and located Ballack (a brilliant header of the ball).

Credit where it's due. Playing football-by-hindsight is tedious, impossible and completely worthless. The fact we didn't concede a further goal in this manner showed that we learned the lesson as a team, so let's be happy with that small mercy.

 

[mattdefoe]

i think corluka ball watchs to much. Hutton is better.

 

[BPR_U16]

Positionally Corluka is a good player - but he has no pace, which is why he doesn't generally link up with the attack and why a long ball over the top will catch him out time and again especially when playing CB. This lack of pace also means he tends to hang a bit deeper at TB than the CBs, and we were lucky that an offside was given early first half when could easily have gone against us.

Hutton on the other hand has pace - but gennerally cannot defend. Postionally poor and very indecisive.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Positionally Corluka is a good player - but he has no pace, which is why he doesn't generally link up with the attack and why a long ball over the top will catch him out time and again especially when playing CB. This lack of pace also means he tends to hang a bit deeper at TB than the CBs, and we were lucky that an offside was given early first half when could easily have gone against us.

Hutton on the other hand has pace - but gennerally cannot defend. Postionally poor and very indecisive.

Thank god we have Naughton who has good positioning sense and pace.........but no experience:shrug:

 

[kungfugrip]

Hutton is a good defender and very effective going forward, but 5 minutes here, 10 minutes there coupled with coming back from injury is never going to be exactly easy. Let's not make him a scapegoat for the rest of the team that simply hasn't been good enough against superior opposition last two games. Corluka seems casual at times, but overall I think he's a good player at RB. Honestly know nothing about Naughton, other than what I read here. I'd be keen to see Gomes back as soon as possible. Think I'd built Cudicini up to be one of the best keepers in the world in my head, but the reaility is very different (maybe a run of 15 games would see him get back to his best?). Still, glad we have him when I think back to some of our reserve keepers from the past.

 

[Krafty]

Hutton looked good going forward, it was a shame he didnt have a Crouch to aim for.

However, defensively both him and Charlie look suspect. Their concentration can be foudn wanting, they dont tuck in enough and can be caught out of position. I also think they can work a bit harder, at times they look they are treading water rather than busting a lung to get back

 

[Bobishism]

As I said in there, it's just great football from Chelsea and excellent tactics from Ancelotti. Why the hell is Cole Chelsea's most forward player? You have to defend according to what is likely to happen and Cole arriving there was prettty unlikely. It was all caused by King and Bassong doing so utterly brilliantly against Drogba and Anelka. However, due to the resources deployed there, Charlie had to cover a bigger area and got stretched by three attacking players looking for the cross.

That's a gigantic cop-out.

 

[The Apprentice]

Ah, here's the chat about Chelsea's first. I wondered why the comments in the match thread were so bare. Obviously Alan Hutton's pivotal role in the event justifies this location. :roll:

As I said in there, it's just great football from Chelsea and excellent tactics from Ancelotti. Why the hell is Cole Chelsea's most forward player? You have to defend according to what is likely to happen and Cole arriving there was prettty unlikely. It was all caused by King and Bassong doing so utterly brilliantly against Drogba and Anelka. However, due to the resources deployed there, Charlie had to cover a bigger area and got stretched by three attacking players looking for the cross.

If he or Azza had covered any single one of those three Bosingwa would have simply altered his cross and located Ballack (a brilliant header of the ball).

Credit where it's due. Playing football-by-hindsight is tedious, impossible and completely worthless. The fact we didn't concede a further goal in this manner showed that we learned the lesson as a team, so let's be happy with that small mercy.

Decent bit of attacking? Yeah, fair enough.

But.... Charlie should be keeping his body open - making sure he knows what's going on behind him. Basic rule of defending. Don't just get sucked in to the ball, munching on popcorn watching them whip a cross in.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Ah, here's the chat about Chelsea's first. I wondered why the comments in the match thread were so bare. Obviously Alan Hutton's pivotal role in the event justifies this location. :roll:

As I said in there, it's just great football from Chelsea and excellent tactics from Ancelotti. Why the hell is Cole Chelsea's most forward player? You have to defend according to what is likely to happen and Cole arriving there was prettty unlikely. It was all caused by King and Bassong doing so utterly brilliantly against Drogba and Anelka. However, due to the resources deployed there, Charlie had to cover a bigger area and got stretched by three attacking players looking for the cross.

If he or Azza had covered any single one of those three Bosingwa would have simply altered his cross and located Ballack (a brilliant header of the ball).

Credit where it's due. Playing football-by-hindsight is tedious, impossible and completely worthless. The fact we didn't concede a further goal in this manner showed that we learned the lesson as a team, so let's be happy with that small mercy.

Sorry BO but I think this is incorect.

Ashley Cole scored the previous week for Chelsea, and in their new narrower diamond system the full backs frequently bomb on. Anyone who's watched them this season knew this.

Our left flank was exposed constantly because Rdknapp tried to mimmick chelsea diamond with inferior personnel coaching and tactics.

As I said in the ratings thread, it wasn't an unmittigated disaster until about the 65th minute when we just crumbled completely. Until that point is was just a reasonably bad execution of a reasonably good idea.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

That's a gigantic cop-out.

What, saying the best team in the league played 'great football'. Guilty as charged, then. :roll:

I'm sure if Spurs had scored the same goal you would be here saying "Thank goodness Bosingwa fucked up and gifted the goal to Assou-Ekotto"

Decent bit of attacking? Yeah, fair enough.

But.... Charlie should be keeping his body open - making sure he knows what's going on behind him. Basic rule of defending. Don't just get sucked in to the ball, munching on popcorn watching them whip a cross in.

As InOff mentioned, it's a hell of a lot easier said than done when Cole is attacking the ball and we're defending.

Sorry BO but I think this is incorect.

Ashley Cole scored the previous week for Chelsea, and in their new narrower diamond system the full backs frequently bomb on. Anyone who's watched them this season knew this.

Our left flank was exposed constantly because Rdknapp tried to mimmick chelsea diamond with inferior personnel coaching and tactics.

As I said in the ratings thread, it wasn't an unmittigated disaster until about the 65th minute when we just crumbled completely. Until that point is was just a reasonably bad execution of a reasonably good idea.

I guess I'd agree with that. I would hope that we did 'know' about their fullbacks but realised that without putting 13 players on the pitch we were just going to have to sacrifice some level of control for trying to win the battle in the middle of the park. And there is a difference to watching for fullbacks getting forward and one being up your arsehole a clear 5 yards ahead of the centre forward.

I'd defend Charlie on this one (although he was rotten at CB), as his errors, such as they were, were miniscule compared to the quality of the football from Chelsea. It was them who scored a goal, not us who conceded it.