Andrija Balic and Nikola Vlasic (both of Hajduk Split)

[KingKay]

Anyone get the feeling we've been here before?

 

[Barry Mead]

Yes I know what ruud says but we have a poster who personally knows Harry and we have a ITK that got everything right and they say it wasn't Sherwood and Les saying no but harry listening to david moyes who watched suarez with harry to persuade him not to go for him.

Ruud also said alot of things that turned out to be wrong like LVG signing for us

Well you pays your money you takes your choice, I really can't seed what Ruud had to gain by lying, lots of ITK doesn't happen so the LVG thing is pretty irrelevant. Look at the Willian deal last summer it was effectively a done deal and POTL was telling everyone it was done and then Chavs nicked him. As for David Moyes why would Harry listen to a competitors opinion, that doesn't sound right

Of course it seems that with a lot of targets we get feedback and views from different people so it's not against the realms of possibility that other parties gave their view and maybe the weight of opinion decided but I certainly heard that we could have tied up the deal as Suarez preferred us and as I said Gullitt had no reason to lie about Sherwood and Ferdinand

 

[beats1]

Well you pays your money you takes your choice, I really can't seed what Ruud had to gain by lying, lots of ITK doesn't happen so the LVG thing is pretty irrelevant. Look at the Willian deal last summer it was effectively a done deal and POTL was telling everyone it was done and then Chavs nicked him. As for David Moyes why would Harry listen to a competitors opinion, that doesn't sound right

Of course it seems that with a lot of targets we get feedback and views from different people so it's not against the realms of possibility that other parties gave their view and maybe the weight of opinion decided but I certainly heard that we could have tied up the deal as Suarez preferred us and as I said Gullitt had no reason to lie about Sherwood and Ferdinand

Competitors, they are friends. Footballs all about having the right friends thats how you get in to it and further yourself. Plus Everton were never competitors when they were in around 7th or 8th that season. Plus they would want us to sign suarez so they would keep Pienaar.

Lie, who is lying. no one is lying. Gullit said "we aren't sure", that doesn't necessarily mean they are personally not sure, it might mean the club isn't sure, it might mean the scouts aren't sure or it might mean harry isn't sure. They would never be the guys who personally sign him, they would say yes he is a great player but it ultimately up to Levy and Harry, they weren't on the committee or held the power they do today back then.

What if after they watched him and Ruud's recommendation they were like sign him up but due to the deal falling through they would forever condemned as the ones who said no because they said to someone they aren't sure. Also Les and Tim weren't scouts back then, they were coaches.

You're taking the quotes of a man who give a vague statement without knowing what context it was said in. You could interpret it a number of ways. As for Suarez it was clear he preferred us but we weren't sure about him and seemed to be looking at Carroll as well at the time before going round with a wheel barrow of cash round spain.

 

[Barry Mead]

Competitors, they are friends. Footballs all about having the right friends thats how you get in to it and further yourself. Plus Everton were never competitors when they were in around 7th or 8th that season. Plus they would want us to sign suarez so they would keep Pienaar.

Lie, who is lying. no one is lying. Gullit said "we aren't sure", that doesn't necessarily mean they are personally not sure, it might mean the club isn't sure, it might mean the scouts aren't sure or it might mean harry isn't sure. They would never be the guys who personally sign him, they would say yes he is a great player but it ultimately up to Levy and Harry, they weren't on the committee or held the power they do today back then.

What if after they watched him and Ruud's recommendation they were like sign him up but due to the deal falling through they would forever condemned as the ones who said no because they said to someone they aren't sure. Also Les and Tim weren't scouts back then, they were coaches.

You're taking the quotes of a man who give a vague statement without knowing what context it was said in. You could interpret it a number of ways. As for Suarez it was clear he preferred us but we weren't sure about him and seemed to be looking at Carroll as well at the time before going round with a wheel barrow of cash round spain.

Sorry but you are the one telling me it isn't true based on third party information yourself. I was simply pointing out that it appeared Sherwood and Ferdinand put their foot in it, based on Gullitt's comments and rather supported by Harry's comments that he was told that they didn't think he could play the main striker role

Of course Harry and Levy make the ultimate decisions, Harry if he wants a player, Levy if he'll pay the fee and wages, but Harry very clearly said he made a decision based on what he was told by his backroom staff, though quite why he did who knows, he used to go to plenty of games in Europe watching players. Maybe he just got fed up going and getting his wallet dipped, maybe Bondy got fed up paying for him when he lost his wallet. Maybe he wanted a second and third opinion.

I am aware that technically neither were scouts but Harry brought them both in when neither were really coaches either, but he seemed to like them running around and doing things so it's not a stretch to assume he asked them to go and give an opinion. We know they were there (unless Gullitt was lying about that) we know they were asking about Suarez (again unless Gullitt was lying about that) and we know they told him they didn't fancy him. We also know they later admitted to him they got it wrong.

Now if Harry had no intention of listening to their views it raises the whole issue of why he sent them out there in the first place

As it was they were part of his backroom team, he may well know Moyes and he may well be friends but business is business, but either way if he was so happy with what Moyes told him about the player why would he send the two stooges out to get their opinions? As for Pienaar, I'm not sure how he comes into the equation he was not a striker and what we paid for him was a few mill, us buying Suarez or not wasn't going to change anything and chances are if we hadn't tied him up he would have gone to the Chavs anyway
Either way we seem to have somewhat digressed from Balic and Vlasic so I apologise to anyone reading through this bit in the hope that they might find a little bit more about them and instead got a debate about the if whats and maybe's of a deal that never happened. It's never easy being a Spurs fan is it

 

[The Scarecrow]

Meh.

Bostock.

Bale.

You win some, you lose some.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Bale.

You win some, you lose some.

Seen Bostock do that plenty of times, against better teams. I just worry about our reputation for developing players. If I was a youngster I would have looked (prior to teh Bale sale) and just thought "fuck going there". Now with the Bale sale we look like we could improve a player.

 

[The Scarecrow]

Seen Bostock do that plenty of times, against better teams. I just worry about our reputation for developing players. If I was a youngster I would have looked (prior to teh Bale sale) and just thought "fuck going there". Now with the Bale sale we look like we could improve a player.

We haven't been the best at giving youngsters playing time, that is true. Still though, Bostock is our youngest ever player. Anyway, I think we have been working hard on improving the academy in recent years, and at the moment we have a lot of academy players knocking on the door, as well as several first teamers who have come through the academy/been signed at a young age.

If you compare our academy products from the last decade to the products from this decade, it's a pretty big difference. King being the exception, of course, Crouch have done well and Pekhart ended up decent. Now we have players like Caulker, Livermore, Carroll, Townsend and Kane who all seem destined for a good career in the Premiership, and there's also Walker and Rose, who were signed at a young age, in addition to the likes of Bentaleb and Veljkovic.

 

[Dinpomp]

http://sportske.jutarnji.hr/tata-ba...o-bih-da-andrija-ostane-u-hajduku---/1189357/

Andrija Balic's father was asked about his son's possible transfer to Spurs and if they (the parents) are the potential hold-up on any deal:

- We are not obstacles at all for any potential transfer, but my wife and I would rather that our son continued to grow at Hajduk.

- The clubs haven't worked out the details of the transfer yet and they haven't asked us yet about our feelings on the matter. In the meantime, if Hajduk wishes to push through the transfer, because they are in need of the money, then it would be best for Andrija to stay at Hajduk on loan. With 16-and-a-half years he isn't ready yet for a move abroad.

- The most important thing is for Andrija to have a normal and proper development. We don't want to make the mistake of going after quick money. Andrija has played one senior match in the 1.HNL (Croatian League) and I saw that there is a long road ahead of him before he becomes a finished player. And because of that there is no reason to rush. I don't know what plans Hajduk has for the next season, but it would be logical for Andrija to slowly get into the first team. He's outgrown the cadets (U17's), he plays without problems for the juniors (U19's), but senior football is a completely different story. And that's why my wife and I believe that for the beginning it would be best for Andrija to play at least one season in Hajduk's first team.

They then asked him if they weren't at least moved by the offer of a club like Tottenham:

- Who wouldn't be moved by that kind of offer! It sounds great, but where would Andrija play, how would he continue to develop.... those are all delicate questions. When Hajduk and Tottenham agree on the transfer, I hope that someone will ask us parents about the development of our son, a player of only 16.5 years.

 

[rambu]

http://sportske.jutarnji.hr/tata-ba...o-bih-da-andrija-ostane-u-hajduku---/1189357/

Andrija Balic's father was asked about his son's possible transfer to Spurs and if they (the parents) are the potential hold-up on any deal:

- We are not obstacles at all for any potential transfer, but my wife and I would rather that our son continued to grow at Hajduk.

- The clubs haven't worked out the details of the transfer yet and they haven't asked us yet about our feelings on the matter. In the meantime, if Hajduk wishes to push through the transfer, because they are in need of the money, then it would be best for Andrija to stay at Hajduk on loan. With 16-and-a-half years he isn't ready yet for a move abroad.

- The most important thing is for Andrija to have a normal and proper development. We don't want to make the mistake of going after quick money. Andrija has played one senior match in the 1.HNL (Croatian League) and I saw that there is a long road ahead of him before he becomes a finished player. And because of that there is no reason to rush. I don't know what plans Hajduk has for the next season, but it would be logical for Andrija to slowly get into the first team. He's outgrown the cadets (U17's), he plays without problems for the juniors (U19's), but senior football is a completely different story. And that's why my wife and I believe that for the beginning it would be best for Andrija to play at least one season in Hajduk's first team.

They then asked him if they weren't at least moved by the offer of a club like Tottenham:

- Who wouldn't be moved by that kind of offer! It sounds great, but where would Andrija play, how would he continue to develop.... those are all delicate questions. When Hajduk and Tottenham agree on the transfer, I hope that someone will ask us parents about the development of our son, a player of only 16.5 years.

If we got him and loan him back to Hajduk, would he get time?
It's only nature to assume that Hajduk would spend more time for the next prospect to play and develop, then sell and repeat the cycle...any players got sold and loaned back to the team before? Did they got time?

 

[Snarfalicious]

Reasonable quotes for sure. Those kind of quotes make me think the kid probably has a good background as well.

 

[DaSpurs]

Reasonable quotes for sure. Those kind of quotes make me think the kid probably has a good background as well.

Indeed, reminiscent of Eriksen's situation.

If we got him and loan him back to Hajduk, would he get time?
It's only nature to assume that Hajduk would spend more time for the next prospect to play and develop, then sell and repeat the cycle...any players got sold and loaned back to the team before? Did they got time?

Reasonable questions to be asking. @Dinpomp, any chance you could weigh in on this?

 

[Dinpomp]

If we got him and loan him back to Hajduk, would he get time?
It's only nature to assume that Hajduk would spend more time for the next prospect to play and develop, then sell and repeat the cycle...any players got sold and loaned back to the team before? Did they got time?

If he's ready to contribute, they wouldn't be opposed to it. They actually want Mario Pasalic (sold to Chelsea) back for another season on loan (but that's not likely to happen). And their fans actually don't mind it either, as long as the loaned player remains committed to the cause (as Pasalic is/was). It's not ideal for them, but they do enjoy seeing their homegrown talent producing at the club. I would definitely consider it a possibility.

 

[spurs9]

Seen Bostock do that plenty of times, against better teams. I just worry about our reputation for developing players. If I was a youngster I would have looked (prior to teh Bale sale) and just thought "fuck going there". Now with the Bale sale we look like we could improve a player.

Bostock's failure was his own fault. Poor attitude. That's why he never made an impression on loan.

 

[spurs9]

If we got him and loan him back to Hajduk, would he get time?
It's only nature to assume that Hajduk would spend more time for the next prospect to play and develop, then sell and repeat the cycle...any players got sold and loaned back to the team before? Did they got time?

It could be made part of the transfer deal through financial incentives to play him.

 

[Dinpomp]

http://sportske.jutarnji.hr/pasalic...amovih-milijun-i-pol-eura-za-kadeta-/1189753/

Hajduk's sporting director, Goran Vucevic, today when asked if Balic was going to Tottenham:

- Negotiations took place, but we weren't able to find common ground. Hajduk has its view on the transfer which doesn't exactly match the offer from Tottenham.

The report goes to say that it isn't official, nor is it confirmed by anyone at the club, but the offer is believed to have been 1.5m euros with Balic remaining at Hajduk for another season. It is believed that Hajduk value him higher than that as they see him as a player with great talent and potential. If Spurs were to come back with a better offer Hajduk would definitely listen, as it is in their interest to do a deal, but they have terms which would need to be met.

 

[AussieSpurMan]

http://sportske.jutarnji.hr/tata-ba...o-bih-da-andrija-ostane-u-hajduku---/1189357/

Andrija Balic's father was asked about his son's possible transfer to Spurs and if they (the parents) are the potential hold-up on any deal:

- We are not obstacles at all for any potential transfer, but my wife and I would rather that our son continued to grow at Hajduk.

- The clubs haven't worked out the details of the transfer yet and they haven't asked us yet about our feelings on the matter. In the meantime, if Hajduk wishes to push through the transfer, because they are in need of the money, then it would be best for Andrija to stay at Hajduk on loan. With 16-and-a-half years he isn't ready yet for a move abroad.

- The most important thing is for Andrija to have a normal and proper development. We don't want to make the mistake of going after quick money. Andrija has played one senior match in the 1.HNL (Croatian League) and I saw that there is a long road ahead of him before he becomes a finished player. And because of that there is no reason to rush. I don't know what plans Hajduk has for the next season, but it would be logical for Andrija to slowly get into the first team. He's outgrown the cadets (U17's), he plays without problems for the juniors (U19's), but senior football is a completely different story. And that's why my wife and I believe that for the beginning it would be best for Andrija to play at least one season in Hajduk's first team.

They then asked him if they weren't at least moved by the offer of a club like Tottenham:

- Who wouldn't be moved by that kind of offer! It sounds great, but where would Andrija play, how would he continue to develop.... those are all delicate questions. When Hajduk and Tottenham agree on the transfer, I hope that someone will ask us parents about the development of our son, a player of only 16.5 years.

I read this earlier ad thought it was very sensible from his father. I would have no problem in allowing him to stay there if the deal is done.

 

[Darragh]

so the latest is levy is lowballing the shit out of it as usual..... same auld shit....what a suprise

 

[barry]

so the latest is levy is lowballing the shit out of it as usual..... same auld shit....what a suprise

Your right lets just pay 10 mil and be done with it. Fuck that he's 16 years old and not played for the first team, we're Tottenham, Let's do this.

 

[Darragh]

Your right lets just pay 10 mil and be done with it. Fuck that he's 16 years old and not played for the first team, we're Tottenham, Let's do this.

im sensing sarcasm.....

they not asking the stars for a kid with serious potential... if we have done our homework on kid like we should have.. pay the fucking money and get him in... penny pinching is a load of horseshit with spurs... show some conviction that this is a player worth getting instead of trying to mug off foreign chairmen who know english clubs have money... its beyond funny now with spurs...

 

[Barry Mead]

im sensing sarcasm.....

they not asking the stars for a kid with serious potential... if we have done our homework on kid like we should have.. pay the fucking money and get him in... penny pinching is a load of horseshit with spurs... show some conviction that this is a player worth getting instead of trying to mug off foreign chairmen who know english clubs have money... its beyond funny now with spurs...

You may be right, but equally we may have done our homework on a risk and return basis and feel this is a reasonable price. I can recall the Bostock situation when we got a lot of flack from his chairman and fans about lowballing and yet it proved we made a very good offer