Anthony Martial

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

You make some excellent points, and its nice to have a balanced discussion on here for once.

I obviously agree about Martials silkyness, and I feel that Zaha is a bit more clumsy and random in his actions. Furthermore, I have a feeling that Zaha is the type of player that needs to be a regular first-teamer to show of his best, and maybe also need to be the star of the team to be at his most effective. Neither would be the case here.

Martial on the other hand has been mismanaged by Mourinho, and even then his return of goals and assists are decent. I also feel he would be more of a natural fit as a striker in Kanes absence, than Zaha.

I think you may have just swayed me with your Zaha needs to be a regular first teamer argument. That's a really good point that I hadn't considered.

Martial's class is telling and he'd do well wherever he goes whereas Zaha as you said could be hit or miss, even if he offers that crash bang wallop clumsy chaos that keeps defenders guessing.

It's taken me about a week to get there but it's settled, I'm camp Martial now, he's the smarter choice if money and wages are the same and achievable

 

[Flashp]

I think you may have just swayed me with your Zaha needs to be a regular first teamer argument. That's a really good point that I hadn't considered.

Martial's class is telling and he'd do well whoever he goes whereas Zaha as you said could be hit or miss, even if he offers that crash bang wallop clumsy chaos that keeps defenders guessing.

It's taken me about a week to get there but it's settled, I'm camp Martial now, he's the smarter choice is money and wages are the same and achievable

Haha, glad I could help! Now all there’s left to do is hope that by some miracle we can actually sign him

 

[Qualsonic]

Nice and cosy in here tonight

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Haha, glad I could help! Now all there’s left to do is hope that by some miracle we can actually sign him

You seem like a good poster and you've definitely settled my WF debate I have been having with myself so it's greatly appreciated (I've questioned who'd be better and why since both were seriously linked, even looked at opta and Premier League stats as I was torn on who and why ),

We probably won't sign either but if we do have half a chance, let's just hope Mourinho doesn't read SC and do his utmost to sabotage our plans for what should be target number 1

 

[Bulletspur]

All right, own up! Who pissed of @Archibald&Crooks that he locked the ITK Discussion thread and hasn't returned?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

All right, own up! Who pissed of @Archibald&Crooks that he locked the ITK Discussion thread and hasn't returned?

Take your pick, there are enough ... Just take your pick.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Zaha only makes more sense in terms of being a HG player. Martial for Toby swap would reduce the need a little...

 

[glospur]

Asia games is all that matters re military service, Asia cup is meaningless and he probably won’t be released for it.

He isn't. He's missing for two weeks. You're speculating he'll be going to the meaningless cup in January.

Excuse me?

The Asian Cup is the equivalent of the Euros, the African Cup of Nations, or the Copa America to Asia. It's the most prestigious football tournament on the continent.*

*I may or may not be saying this because Australia won the last Asian Cup.

They can call him, and we are free to tell him no.

I strongly doubt we will. South Korea are one of the favourites and they haven't won it since 1960. Sure, it has no bearing on his military service, but, as I said, it's still Asia's main football trophy.

 

[Hotspurious]

Excuse me?

The Asian Cup is the equivalent of the Euros, the African Cup of Nations, or the Copa America to Asia. It's the most prestigious football tournament on the continent.*

*I may or may not be saying this because Australia won the last Asian Cup.


I strongly doubt we will. South Korea are one of the favourites and they haven't won it since 1960. Sure, it has no bearing on his military service, but, as I said, it's still Asia's main football trophy.

That’s not right is it? Winning the Asian Cup would get him out of it as would medaling in the Olympics, etc.

 

[glospur]

That’s not right is it? Winning the Asian Cup would get him out of it as would medaling in the Olympics, etc.

I'm pretty sure there is a dedicated thread for this elsewhere, so you can look for that for more details because I don't want to derail this thread anymore that it is already, but I'm pretty sure it's only the Asian Games or the World Cup that counts, not the Asian Cup.

 

[ButchCassidy]

I'm pretty sure there is a dedicated thread for this elsewhere, so you can look for that for more details because I don't want to derail this thread anymore that it is already, but I'm pretty sure it's only the Asian Games or the World Cup that counts, not the Asian Cup.

The reason being that there can’t just be a dozen ways for footballers to get out of service, other athletes threw a fit and rightly so. So now it’s only Olympics (any medal) and Asia games (gold medal) for all athletes.

 

[worcestersauce]

All right, own up! Who pissed of @Archibald&Crooks that he locked the ITK Discussion thread and hasn't returned?

EVERYBODEEEE!

 

[GetSpurredOn]

If Martial and Toby swap, we're in the same boat in terms of HG, so that's doable.
We'd then need a CB to replace Toby, or potential a DM if we see Dier slotting back. Given Wanyama's issues, that may make more sense short term, probably need to be homegrown though?? The caveat to that is if we just sell Toby and buy Zaha, then we free up a foreign spot here.
Finally, an Eriksen understudy, I'd hope we go back for Grealish, good potential and homegrown.
That'd be a decent summer for me. Traded a CB that's despite being class, doesn't want to be here, added a genuine goal threat, and added more guile in midfield. Addressed the areas that needed looking at to give us more options and better balance on the whole.
With the likes of Aurier, Lamela, Moura etc all getting a proper preseason, they'd be like further new additions. I'd add that if Llorente stays, improved delivery from wide areas may see us get more out of him.

Got to keep the faith I suppose.

 

[Ekmek]

If Martial and Toby swap, we're in the same boat in terms of HG, so that's doable.
We'd then need a CB to replace Toby, or potential a DM if we see Dier slotting back. Given Wanyama's issues, that may make more sense short term, probably need to be homegrown though?? The caveat to that is if we just sell Toby and buy Zaha, then we free up a foreign spot here.
Finally, an Eriksen understudy, I'd hope we go back for Grealish, good potential and homegrown.
That'd be a decent summer for me. Traded a CB that's despite being class, doesn't want to be here, added a genuine goal threat, and added more guile in midfield. Addressed the areas that needed looking at to give us more options and better balance on the whole.
With the likes of Aurier, Lamela, Moura etc all getting a proper preseason, they'd be like further new additions. I'd add that if Llorente stays, improved delivery from wide areas may see us get more out of him.

Got to keep the faith I suppose.

Dont you think that would leave us a bit short at DM with only an injured Wanyama?

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Dont you think that would leave us a bit short at DM with only an injured Wanyama?

Not really, just depends where we see Dier, and who we buy to replace Toby. For arguments sake, we go like for like, bringing in a CB to replace Toby, then we still have Dier at DM, but if we see Dier as Toby's replacement, then we bring in a DM instead to cover/compete with Wanyama.
Ultimately bringing in a DM with Dier sliding back to CB actually gives us more cover, as Dier could still fill in at DM whilst Wanyama is injured, as we'd still have Sanchez, Vertonghen, Foyth and Carter-Vickers as CB options.

 

[mil1lion]

One top player in and one out would not strenghten us. I'd rather we sign Zaha and keep Toby personally.
It seems that Utd are pushing hard for Maguire now. I doubt they would sell us Martial though.

 

[TheWallYid]

Seen somewhere that martial completely off the cards!

 

[SpartanSpur]

Seen somewhere that martial completely off the cards!

If it was Ben Fairthorne it has already been covered in detail earlier on. Let's just say he's not too highly rated.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Independent (Delaney) today saying Utd are ready to wait after the PL deadline to sell Martial. They think they can shift him to PSG if Madrid get Neymar, which Utd think has legs. Let's be honest, they probably won't care if he stays either, the board clearly rate him there.

Might be worth pushing on with Zaha instead.

 

[tobi]

Martial is a striker that can also play as a wide forward.

Son is a wide forward that can cover as a striker.

Zaha is a winger that can evolve into something more complete. His dribbling scares teams and he always attracts double teams.

They all bring something different to the team. Son is already here but we still need one of Martial/Zaha.

We need more unpredictable play in forward areas and a passer in midfield...