Anybody noticed?

[WhiteStripe]

I would still like someone to explain, in detail how, with a ball travelling at you at that pace on the angle it was travelling, how robbie keane was supposed to angle the ball into the corner of the goal with the precision you say he should.

It is totally different to a corner or free kick floated into the box where you watch it the whole way and rise to meet it.

Watch it again with that in mind.

 

[Legend10]

Oh come on, I haven't knocked Keane in this thread but for anybody to say that that wasn't a sitter is ridiculous! There is no problem to have headed that ball into either corner.

 

[nicdic]

Oh come on, I haven't knocked Keane in this thread but for anybody to say that that wasn't a sitter is ridiculous! There is no problem to have headed that ball into either corner.

:up:

 

[Legend10]

This is the problem with the Robbie Keane situation, there are people who literally think it's impossible for him to make a mistake or do something wrong!

In any game, anywhere in the world, at any standard that was a sitter!

He had a decent game, but please people be realistic and say that was a golden chance which was effectively fluffed?

 

[SpurSince57]

Why is it so hard for some to admit that he should have scored?!

Why is it so hard for you to understand a basic law of physics?

The cross was low and more or less absolutely parallel to the goal line. To direct it into the right corner (just forget about the left) Keane would have had to be coming in at an angle, but there was no way he was able to change his line of approach. He had no choice but to hit it straight on at 90 degrees, and with a lesser or less alert keeper than Reina that would have been good enough; Reina even managed to get the rebound to safety.

So instead of bullshit griping why not credit him with actually getting a head to the ball in the first place and forcing a top keeper into a top save?

 

[Legend10]

Why is it so hard for you to understand a basic law of physics?

The cross was low and more or less absolutely parallel to the goal line. To direct it into the right corner (just forget about the left) Keane would have had to be coming in at an angle, but there was no way he was able to change his line of approach. He had no choice but to hit it straight on at 90 degrees, and with a lesser or less alert keeper than Reina that would have been good enough; Reina even managed to get the rebound to safety.

So instead of bullshit griping why not credit him with actually getting a head to the ball in the first place and forcing a top keeper into a top save?

Please don't take this as being rude but I'm not actually sure whether you're taking the piss or not?

 

[nicdic]

Why is it so hard for you to understand a basic law of physics?

The cross was low and more or less absolutely parallel to the goal line. To direct it into the right corner (just forget about the left) Keane would have had to be coming in at an angle, but there was no way he was able to change his line of approach. He had no choice but to hit it straight on at 90 degrees, and with a lesser or less alert keeper than Reina that would have been good enough; Reina even managed to get the rebound to safety.

So instead of bullshit griping why not credit him with actually getting a head to the ball in the first place and forcing a top keeper into a top save?

SS57, you're usually a good poster, and respect you a lot, but this is just rubbish. Stop making excuses for what was a poor miss.

 

[chrissivad]

Why is it so hard for you to understand a basic law of physics?

The cross was low and more or less absolutely parallel to the goal line

The cross wasn't that low, it was over head hight (maybe close to the same hight as the crossbar) at its highest point and dropped down to about neck/chest hight

I have tryed to high light the ball

took abit of a guess as its behind the post

But please note he is behind the 6yard box. Modric crossed from prity much on the line so it was pulled back

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Battle of the RR's, this is hilarious.

You're all wrong, and I'm right, even though I kind of agreed with everyone and noone at the same time.

Yeah!

 

[spurs mental]

He was stretching for the ball a little bit by the looks of it. Everyone misses good chances, it just gets noticed more by the people who don't rate Keane as highly as Defoe.

 

[Legend10]

He was stretching for the ball a little bit by the looks of it. Everyone misses good chances, it just gets noticed more by the people who don't rate Keane as highly as Defoe.

Or perhaps its a case that its defended more by people who rate Keane more highly than Defoe?

To be fair people who in general prefer Defoe of the 2 have said everybody misses good chances, but some people won't even agree that it was a good chance!

 

[spurs mental]

Or perhaps its a case that its defended more by people who rate Keane more highly than Defoe?

To be fair people who in general prefer Defoe of the 2 have said everybody misses good chances, but some people won't even agree that it was a good chance!

I will agree it was a good chance. Just unfortunate that he missed.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Please don't take this as being rude but I'm not actually sure whether you're taking the piss or not?

:rofl:

Love it

 

[Teemu]

Why is it so hard for you to understand a basic law of physics?

The cross was low and more or less absolutely parallel to the goal line. To direct it into the right corner (just forget about the left) Keane would have had to be coming in at an angle, but there was no way he was able to change his line of approach. He had no choice but to hit it straight on at 90 degrees, and with a lesser or less alert keeper than Reina that would have been good enough; Reina even managed to get the rebound to safety.

So instead of bullshit griping why not credit him with actually getting a head to the ball in the first place and forcing a top keeper into a top save?

Haha good joke.

Keane had a good game but to claim he shouldn't have scored the header is bordering on the clinically insane.

 

[SpurSince57]

SS57, you're usually a good poster, and respect you a lot, but this is just rubbish. Stop making excuses for what was a poor miss.

So perhaps you can suggest how it would have been possible for him to direct that header at an angle into either corner? I'd be really interested to hear. After all, it was maybe four feet—at most—from the deck when he connected and he was pretty much at full stretch. Unlike a cross coming in above head height you can't use your neck and upper body to alter the angle of attack and put some direction on the ball; he would have to have been coming in at an angle to do that at that height.

And it wasn't a miss, FFS. It was on target. If you want to pick on an example of a crap effort from Keane there's his comedy Row Z attempt at a volley.

 

[Legend10]

No no no, this was a simple header, he could very easily have directed it anywhere on target that he wanted!

I've said that Keane played well on Sunday so I have no agenda here, but I seriously can't believe that anybody would suggest that he shouldn't have scored in this situation. Watch some headed goals and they will prove what you're talking about that he couldn't have done this and he couldn't have done that is just pure nonsense.

Come on lets get real, otherwise how can opinions on other moments be taken seriously!

 

[SpurSince57]

Yes, it was simple to get your head on to (at least, for a Premiership-quality striker). Not to get direction on. Explain to me how, if you're coming in at 90 degrees to the goal line and having to throw yourself straight at a ball that's coming slightly back towards you, three-four feet off the deck and falling, you're going to be able to get any sort of angle on it. If he'd been coming in at a slight diagonal from the right, then yes, he'd have had a chance of getting it either side of Reina.

It's sad to see that no-one's wasting their youth in snooker halls these days.

 

[Legend10]

I'm sorry but your wrong, there is more than enough angle on the ball which has come back fully 5 yards to allow the player to head anywhre on target he so wishes.

Get yourself out in the back garden with your son, grandson, wife or mate from down the pub and act it out.

I've headed enough footballs in my time to know he could have picked his spot.

He didn't score, big deal, but by not accepting that he should have shows almost Jol like favourtism!

 

[chrissivad]

three-four feet off the deck and falling

This ball is getting lower and lower... there is now way that the ball is lower than 4feet, probably closer to 5yards off the floor

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It's sad to see that no-one's wasting their youth in snooker halls these days.

No, but....

The force of the cross cant be changed so that will stay constant. Keane could change to contact point of contact on the ball slightly with neck movement.

But, the greater the force Keane puts behind it the more it cancles out the force of the cross so will go closer to the arrow of 'Keane's header' Reducing the force of the header will move it closer to wards 'momentum of cross' the more its reduced the closer to that arrow it gets. Thats how it is possible to change the angle.

 

[SpurSince57]

5 yards? That would test Crouch!

But there's a limited amount of neck movement you can get in that situation, and if he'd turned his head to the left (the only way he was going to direct the ball right, directing it left, are people being serious?) it would have meant a glancing contact that might have gone anywhere—or he might have missed it altogether, and then there would be cause for complaint. There's no way whatsoever you can use your upper body and the force of your spring to help out.

I'm sorry but your wrong, there is more than enough angle on the ball which has come back fully 5 yards to allow the player to head anywhre on target he so wishes.

Get yourself out in the back garden with your son, grandson, wife or mate from down the pub and act it out.

I've headed enough footballs in my time to know he could have picked his spot.

He didn't score, big deal, but by not accepting that he should have shows almost Jol like favourtism!

At my age? Are you crazy? I don't think I've headed a ball since about 1970 (keepers aren't normally expected to), when my bonce got in the way of a piledriver and stopped a certain goal. So I was told, when I came round, and everyone else had stopped laughing.

The angle was there if Keane had had to jump.