Appalling that Lloris was allowed to stay on

[Misfit]

Not sure if it still exists but didn't there used to be a rule that if you were knocked out, you had to have a 2 week break from playing football?

I don't know. Seems perfectly sensible to me if it did exist. Should be reinstated if that was the case.

 

[LSUY]

Who are they then?

Brett Favre has admitted to suffering from memory loss. Over 4,000 players sued the NFL, some suffering from dementia and Alzheimer's, for not taking concussions seriously and rushing injured players back onto the field. The NFL is paying out over $750m because of this. Also, the University of Michigan have studied the donated brains of 34 ex NFL players and over 90% of them had CTE.

As Dr. Marie Pasinski, a neurologist at Harvard says: "There is still a pervasive belief that only a concussion serious enough to knock the athlete out will do damage, but that's not the case. Any blow to the head that leaves a person slightly dazed or not quite right may cause harm to the brain."

 

[dvdhopeful]

Who are they then?

From what I recall it was a massive case in the US, a quick look on Google will return ton of results.

The people saying Lloris shouldn't carry on aren't hypochondriacs, I just thought it was common knowledge that a big blow to the head is dangerous and that the effects don't come on instantly, which is why the precaution to immediately remove the sportsman is usually taken.

 

[CheeseGromit]

Fair play to Lloris for playing on but it shouldn't have been his decision. Football is so far behind other sports when it comes to dealing with head injuries seriously. The NFL is a perfect example of the dangers that can result from playing on while concussed.

There is a lot more contact in NFL than in football

Of course lessons can be learned from all sports and it would be stupid to ignore it but context also has a role to play

Lloris being stupid is one thing but he may also may have made a rational decision.

 

[Misfit]

If you've taken a big enough hit to the head that you're knocked out or rendered a bit ****ybooby - i.e. your brain has smacked the inside of the skull with sufficient force - the only sensible thing to do it take precautions.

We're not talking about taping up a dislocated pinky here. If the brain is fuct, his whole life is fuct. Might as well play it safe eh, even if in 99% of incidents it turns out to be overkill.

 

[jerseyspur]

Firstly as a fan, not involved in caring for our players, I was glad he stayed on! Having one of the best keepers in the world is invaluable!

However, as a Doctor, currently training in A&E medicine, with a post graduate degree in Sports Medicine, & experience in pitch side trauma (although primarily Rugby & AFL, so unsure what exactly the FA protocol is regarding head injuries...although I imagine they are light years behind the times as per usual!) I can say that the decision to keep Lloris on the pitch was borderline negligent...

If a rugby player had been knocked unconscious (as Lloris clearly was) he would not only be leaving the field, he would be leaving the field on a stretcher, with full cervical (neck) spine immobilisation precautions! Head injuries like that seen today are high risk mechanisms & can be associated with cervical spine injuries.

With regards to reintroducing players to the game after head injuries/concussion...again, with regards to a Rugby...the player goes through a series of stepwise escalation of activities (ie progresses to the next stage of rehabilitation if he can perform a certain level of tasks for 24hrs eg running, without experiencing post concussive symptoms - headaches, dizziness, nausea & regressing a step if they do experience symptoms...) if I can recall off the top of my head, the minimum return to full playing time after being knocked unconscious is 7 days...(don't quote me on that tho..!)

At the end of the day, a players safety is the utmost priority, so for a manager to have the final say, is frankly outrageous...the medical staff should've insisted that he been withdrawn...

If people would like, I could do some digging on what exactly the FA protocol is regarding head trauma, rehabilitation etc...

 

[gushayes11]

He took a ball in the head a little later when rushing out of goal. Love Hugo but maybe it was a little stupid.

 

[ItsBoris]

I wonder if he knew that we would lose with Friedel in goal for 10 minutes, because we would have lol. Nothing against the Old Man but he doesn't command the area like Lloris.

 

[parklane yid]

What a load of crap shut this thread down, coys

 

[michaelden]

I am in total shock the last few weeks with the Spurs medical staff. First they let Andros stay in after being knocked unconscious and now they let Lloris stay in? Completely dangerous and barely regarding any protocol on concussions. I don't even think they gave him a concussion test.

When you are knocked out, you have a concussion, that's a fact. In no world should either of those players have been allowed to stay on.

i've seem rugby players go through worse. sometimes the player just wants to carry on for the team

 

[Misfit]

Firstly as a fan, not involved in caring for our players, I was glad he stayed on! Having one of the best keepers in the world is invaluable!

However, as a Doctor, currently training in A&E medicine, with a post graduate degree in Sports Medicine, & experience in pitch side trauma (although primarily Rugby & AFL, so unsure what exactly the FA protocol is regarding head injuries...although I imagine they are light years behind the times as per usual!) I can say that the decision to keep Lloris on the pitch was borderline negligent...

If a rugby player had been knocked unconscious (as Lloris clearly was) he would not only be leaving the field, he would be leaving the field on a stretcher, with full cervical (neck) spine immobilisation precautions! Head injuries like that seen today are high risk mechanisms & can be associated with cervical spine injuries.

With regards to reintroducing players to the game after head injuries/concussion...again, with regards to a Rugby...the player goes through a series of stepwise escalation of activities (ie progresses to the next stage of rehabilitation if he can perform a certain level of tasks for 24hrs eg running, without experiencing post concussive symptoms - headaches, dizziness, nausea & regressing a step if they do experience symptoms...) if I can recall off the top of my head, the minimum return to full playing time after being knocked unconscious is 7 days...(don't quote me on that tho..!)

At the end of the day, a players safety is the utmost priority, so for a manager to have the final say, is frankly outrageous...the medical staff should've insisted that he been withdrawn...

If people would like, I could do some digging on what exactly the FA protocol is regarding head trauma, rehabilitation etc...

Having played Rugby at a reasonable level - you're spot on. I think rugby, certainly at the pro level, has now adopted the cognitive tests which you take to establish a baseline and then have to retake it after a concussion and are only allowed to play again once you have reached it. Similar to the system that NFL adopted a few yrs ago. Maybe not but that was being talked about a couple of yrs ago at least. Even when I was a yoof playing back in the 90's you were taken to hospital to be checked out straight away and that was not at the pro level with all the medical bells and whistles that comes at that level.

it would be interesting to see what the FA protocol is on this.

 

[jerseyspur]

i've seem rugby players go through worse. sometimes the player just wants to carry on for the team

I too have seen rugby players wish to continue...only to go on & suffer career ending neck injuries...

 

[michaelden]

I too have seen rugby players wish to continue...only to go on & suffer career ending neck injuries...

as a result of the original knockout or a subsequent hit?

 

[Khilari]

Absolutely disagree with anyone who (seriously) thinks Lloris should have stayed on - I posted this in the other thread and just want to clarify that it really is rather dangerous for a player to stay on and play. You really wouldn't take any chances with a head injury where they've developed retrograde amnesia having been knocked unconscious.

I think it was a stupid decision by the medical staff not to take him off and a stupid comment by AVB to justify him keeping him on because he "showed tremendous determination" or whatever he said. Lloris' opinion of his own head injury and ability to play on shouldn't have come into it.

I post this with my Dr and Spurs fan hats both on.

 

[jerseyspur]

As a result of an underestimated & therefore poorly managed initial injury! (not by myself I'd like to add...!!)

The force generated in some of these impacts in sport is hugely underestimated, particularly now sportsmen are designed to be heavily built, quick, units...it is quite frankly scary! A study recently showed the force created in some rugby league hits is the equivalent of 11G...! It's a topic I'm quite passionate about because I've witnessed first hand some of injuries these guys sustain

I wouldn't like to think of the force created the by the knee of Lukaku travelling full tilt into the side of Hugo's head...

 

[Misfit]

Naturally asking a rugby player simple questions is dangerous in itself, especially front-rowers. But yeah, rugby isn't a namby pamby sport, full of hand-wringers (the mothers of young players aside, those poor women).

Football needs to cop on about this.

 

[Darragh]

fair play to lloris for staying on.. he looked ok when he did so its refreshing to see players man up in situations like that.. spurs squad need more of that so disagree wholly with OP.

 

[Khilari]

It was only a matter of time before a negative thread appeared about the medical staff, how they've escaped the negativity until this point is beyond me.

After all we only have a doctor on the bench and fully qualified medical staff and what the fuck do they know.

Just to say the 'doctor' on the medical staff is a GP with a MSc (a one year degree) in Sports Medicine. It's great he's there and by all accounts helped saved Fabrice Muamba's life along with Andrew Deaner a Cons Cardiologist who I know, but I wouldn't necessarily pin him as an authority on head injuries. I'd be much happier with my A&E colleague who deals with head injuries more regularly.

 

[Vulcan10]

We moan about how soft modern footballers have become & then when someone shows an impressive level of bravery & dedication to the cause we moan about that. No pleasing some people.

 

[yid1o]

We moan about how soft modern footballers have become & then when someone shows an impressive level of bravery & dedication to the cause we moan about that. No pleasing some people.

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