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[Partizan]

Considering the moves we've made to align ourselves with Inter he must have major potential, we've never gone to such lengths before to gain an alleginance with a team to gain benefit of a player before. What have we gained player-wise from our USA and SA partners? Troy Diddly McSmit that's what!!

As always I've got trust in the people running the club, more now than ever, and if Sandro's got major potential then fair play to Levy for getting him on board. I can see Dos Santos or Bale going the other way though

I really don't see Bale going the other way. How many times has it happened that a high profile british player went on to play in south america.

 

[Bulletspur]

Love the way he skipped over them bollards. Pure quality. And everybody knows, your Brazilian bollard is not your average european bollard. Notice the way he had to skip with both feet.

Quality fucking skippage there.

:rofl:

 

[mil1lion]

Considering the moves we've made to align ourselves with Inter he must have major potential, we've never gone to such lengths before to gain an alleginance with a team to gain benefit of a player before. What have we gained player-wise from our USA and SA partners? Troy Diddly McSmit that's what!!

As always I've got trust in the people running the club, more now than ever, and if Sandro's got major potential then fair play to Levy for getting him on board. I can see Dos Santos or Bale going the other way though

I think it was more likely to have been the other way around. We were probably looking to tie up a deal with Internacional first, and while in talks about the takeover we enquired more about their top player.

 

[Bobishism]

Hm, not so sure about this. Don't the Brazilians still think Lucas is awesome? I just hope we've thoroughly checked everything about this guy, including his attitude and mentality.

Lucas is good, though.

 

[Bobishism]

Not sure how big a guy is has much to do with it, to be honest. He's had very few first-team games for Internacional, so the EPL is going to be a seriously steep learning curve.

You're right. Size probably has little to do with it. However both guys had to wait for first team football. Depending on how good he's rated here, he may acclimatise sooner than his compatriots.

 

[raf18]

some vids:

random shot:
http://video.globo.com/Videos/Playe...NGE+E+BRUNO+FAZ+A+DEFESA+AOS+DO+TEMPO,00.html

little compilation in middle:
http://video.globo.com/Videos/Playe...A+CONVOCACAO+PARA+A+SELECAO+PRINCIPAL,00.html

little compilation in middle2:
http://video.globo.com/Videos/Playe...SOBRE+SUA+CONVOCACAO+COMECEI+A+TREMER,00.html

 

[yanno]

I can't think when Redknapp has had the opportunity to be pitchside when Sandro has played, so I doubt he has seen him play live. However, Broomfield, our new chief scout and longtime Redknapp associate, has apparently been in South America recently, and hopefully will have seen him play.

Ultimately, this deal suggests that Redknapp wants another physical, combative, CM, to understudy or play alongside Palacios, and our scouts were told to scour the world for "the next Vieira" or something similar.

From the summer ITK, it appears that the young French CM Moussa Sissoko and Sandro became our top targets. Sissoko then got called up to the French national squad, Toulouse asked for over £20m, and we walked away.

Sandro has only played around 20 matches for Internacional, but is now a full Brazilian international, so their national coaches must rate him very highly.

I suspect our pursuit and potential signing of him is based in large part on the views of our scouting network in South America, and conversations that the likes of our chief scout, Broomfield, has had with Brazilian coaches.

It's a calculated gamble and, like others in this thread, I think he will take time - perhaps a season or more - to adapt to the EPL.

A final thought, Brazil's coach, Dunga, was himself a DM and may see Sandro as the replacement in the national team for Gilberto Silva. He's already called Sandro up to the full Brazilian squad ahead of the scum's Denilson.

 

[sidford]

all year long rumours, you gotta love supporting spurs!!

if he wants to go to the world cup though im not sure him moving to us in jan would be a good idea for him. young lad, new country, completely different culture, not sure if he speaks english so all these things will mean he will need to settle in and he might not play that much because of all that which could definitely cost him his place in the WC squad

 

[stemark44]

If its true then I sincerely hope he is the world class CM that we need to compete for the Premiership title.
I really think that is the missing link for this team!

 

[danielneeds]

What happened with Diego in the end? I remember Hoddle was desperate to sign him, but what happened in the end?

I believe there was no way they could get a permit in those days, now there is the "exceptional talent" rule which United and others have exploited to bring in the likes of Raphael and Fabio.

 

[danielneeds]

I really don't see Bale going the other way. How many times has it happened that a high profile british player went on to play in south america.

Maybe not Bale, but the likes Parrett, Mason, Caulker, surely training in Brazil for 3 months could only help expand their skills and minds?

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

There was a long Sandro thread - linked above by the mods - and the consensus was tentatively as follows (others are free to amend or rubbish):

Sandro is the Brazil U20 captain, just called up to their full national squad.

He's a holding DM, but taller than the likes of Denilson or Lucas. Sandro is built more like current Brazilian CB Lucio.

He's primarily a destroyer, who sits in front of the back four, breaks up play and then passes the ball simply.

So, he would be the understudy for Wilson, or a DM partner for Wilson if we don't play a passer such as Hud or Luka, or a box-to-box player like JJ alongside Palacios.

Having said all the above, the mooted fee was considerably north of £10 million. If so, and if Sandro is hoping to go the World Cup with Brazil, he will probably expect regular football sooner rather than later.

I disagree a bit - he reminds me more of Huddlestone, but a bit meaner and much better defensively.

I'd say his passing is excellent, not at Huddlestone's or Carrick's level, but far better than Jenas or WP.

I think he could play as a sole DM in Palacios' absence, but for me he's definitely a strong enough ballplayer to compete with Huddlestone to play alongside him.

 

[yanno]

I disagree a bit - he reminds me more of Huddlestone, but a bit meaner and much better defensively.

I'd say his passing is excellent, not at Huddlestone's or Carrick's level, but far better than Jenas or WP.

I think he could play as a sole DM in Palacios' absence, but for me he's definitely a strong enough ballplayer to compete with Huddlestone to play alongside him.

Our South American SCers, some of whom have seen him play such as Ossie(85?) have stated explicitly that he's not a playmaking DM.

Dan - can you explain why you think he's such a good passer?

 

[nferno]

Sando - Palacios
-----Hudd------

no-one would be gettin through that midfeild haha,what a prospect.. the only way in would be through the wings (past lennon and modric)

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Our South American SCers, some of whom have seen him play such as Ossie(85?) have stated explicitly that he's not a playmaking DM.

Dan - can you explain why you think he's such a good passer?

I've seen him in 2 or 3 youth international tournament games before IIRC.

Maybe not a playmaker per se, but I'd put him ahead of all our squad bar Modric, Huddlestone, Krancjar and Bentley as a ballplayer.

As a holder/static DM he is more like an old fashioned Mackelele style number 4 than a Pirlo/Carrick 'quaterback' because he is an aggressive tackler, rather than an interceptor. Offensively though he's certainly more thoughful and purposeful with his passing than most non-quaterback DMs.

IIRC Ossie85 is not a big fan, but then he often seems begrudging with his praise for Brazilians :wink:

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Sando - Palacios
-----Hudd------

no-one would be gettin through that midfeild haha,what a prospect.. the only way in would be through the wings (past lennon and modric)

I don't think we have a striker capable of playing upfront alone in that system (i.e. without Modric and Keane linking up). I think it's be more:

Huddlestone/Sandro - Palacios

Lennon - Keane - Modric

Defoe

 

[mike_l]

Hm, not so sure about this. Don't the Brazilians still think Lucas is awesome? I just hope we've thoroughly checked everything about this guy, including his attitude and mentality.

I do trust Harry's judgment when it comes to DMs though. He's not similar to Hudd at all iirc, passing is not his strongest point. I imagine it's Jenas who'll leave if he comes.

I'd hope no-one is leaving due to his arrival, he would give us 4 cm options, one of which is very young an inexperienced, that would be just about enough IMO. Jenas, or anyone, leaving would just mean we need to sign someone else.

 

[yanno]

I've seen him in 2 or 3 youth international tournament games before IIRC.

Maybe not a playmaker per se, but I'd put him ahead of all our squad bar Modric, Huddlestone, Krancjar and Bentley as a ballplayer.

As a holder/static DM he is more like an old fashioned Mackelele style number 4 than a Pirlo/Carrick 'quaterback' because he is an aggressive tackler, rather than an interceptor. Offensively though he's certainly more thoughful and purposeful with his passing than most non-quaterback DMs.

IIRC Ossie85 is not a big fan, but then he often seems begrudging with his praise for Brazilians :wink:

Dan - thanks. :up:

It would be grand if Sandro is a good passer of the ball as well. :grin:

Hopefully, Ossie85 will join this thread later to defend his honour and demonstrate complete objectivity in his judgement of Brazilian footballers... :wink:

 

[brett.spurs]

2nd goal about 1:30 in

 

[Mullers]

10 million for a unproven youngster from Brazil is a big, big gamble. It could take a couple of seasons before this guy settles in. We really need someone who can do the business right now.