Are we on course for our best ever Prem season?

[Luka Van der Bale]

When Van Brittlelegs is injured, which is often, Arsenal won't score. I think Liverpool will finish above them.

We will be battling it out with Chelsea and Manure for 2nd Place.

RvP has been fit for almost a year now without problem. Arsenal will finish above Liverpool without a doubt. Can't see us challenging United.

 

[peter123]

We will finish above Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool this season. We are very close to United and City...

We are title contenders. Look for yourself at the way we are playing and now Gallas is back in contention that can only help things.

IF Ade, VDV, Modders or Bale get injured we will struggle more than if City lose Aguero, Silva or one of there many attacking talents.

Its incredible that we are still behind Liverpool on Betfair title odds despite having a far superior team, stuffing them 4-0, our points/better position and considering the run we are on!

 

[beats1]

We will finish above Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool this season. We are very close to United and City...

We are title contenders. Look for yourself at the way we are playing and now Gallas is back in contention that can only help things.

IF Ade, VDV, Modders or Bale get injured we will struggle more than if City lose Aguero, Silva or one of there many attacking talents.

Its incredible that we are still behind Liverpool on Betfair title odds despite having a far superior team, stuffing them 4-0, our points/better position and considering the run we are on!

Im not too sure about this just yet, to be close to united and city we need to be ruthless and simply are not at the moment, the first half performance was amazing and we got lazy at the beginning of the second half and this was why drew too many matches last season

the last 10-15mins are always scary for us when winning

 

[peter123]

Im not too sure about this just yet, to be close to united and city we need to be ruthless and simply are not at the moment, the first half performance was amazing and we got lazy at the beginning of the second half and this was why drew too many matches last season

the last 10-15mins are always scary for us when winning

We should have gone in 3-0 after the first half and I expect on many other days we would have.

However we didnt sign someone for 40m, we turned down 40m for modders. The great thing is he is part of a team, a central part but he is not the only bright light in our team. I think we are closer to united now than you think!

 

[StartingPrice]

Im not too sure about this just yet, to be close to united and city we need to be ruthless and simply are not at the moment, the first half performance was amazing and we got lazy at the beginning of the second half and this was why drew too many matches last season

the last 10-15mins are always scary for us when winning

And yet still won pretty comfortably, really.

In the name of Gawd :bang: United have won titles on the back of winning tens of games where they didn't full convince, and last season we were saying if only we won this type of game - well, guess what, we are winning them.

Aside from losing two games at the start of the season when our best player had been knobbled by one of our rivals (and the FA really should be looking at that), without other important player (esp. Sandro), and with our major Summer signings yet to sign (and what a difference they have made :shrug, what more can we do?

 

[dontcallme]

But that's not what he is saying.
I agree with him.
What he is saying (and this isn't paranoia, but observation by many observers over many decades), is that the crowds at the stadia, and their collective state of mind, can and does translate on occasions to the teams on the pitch. It doesn't take much of a stretch of imagination from there to understand that if the fans who attend matches spend the rest of their week on MBs they are susceptible to overriding concensus of a positive or negative affect.
There is a long history of psychological and social experiments, and historical evidence, showing the effects of atmosphere transmission amongst crowds of people.
Knowing that, and trying to get that idea over to other members of an MB is not pathetic.
In spite of all of the evidence to the contrary, if you wish to continue believing this is not so that is fine with me, you are entitled to make your own mind up. And you are entitled to argue according to your understanding on a fans MB - to to dismiss and denigrate someone else's opinion, which is, after all, based on a seriously sound intellectual footing, is just wrong.

You're completely missing the point. When your club is on a good run and they're playing QPR at home they are going to be confident. This confidence can have a negative impact on the team. This part you are correct on.

The thing is though that this is human/fan nature. It is always going to happen whatever the situation. When results are going badly the fans can get uneasy and even boo mispasses, this can also have a negative impact.

This is simply fan psychology and hasn't changed in the slightest since the introuduction of the internet and message boards.

The idea that a fan on the internet starting a thread asking if this could be our best ever Prem season could affect our form is paranoid and moronic. Some fans are already thinking this could be a great year and this is evident in the stadium.

The idea that the threads and discussions we have here are going to have an effect on our teams form is truly pathetic. Just enjoy a discussion forum for what it is and enjoy the debates. I'm not going to stop my positive ambitions for now and the rest of the season because of a fucked up idea that this could lead to over-confidence in the players.

 

[dontcallme]

Is probably nothing to do with whether players read it, more the fact that the fans that go to the game become complacent, already looking ahead with the three points already in the bag. That atmospheres transfers onto the pitch. I've seen it a lot. Thats why the crowd today will have a big impact on this game. Decent atmosphere and i'm confident. If you can hear the players shouting then i'll be a little bit concerned.

White Hart Lane is not full of people spending hours on an internet forum. The fans at the ground today were going to watch us play a poor QPR side at home after we've gone ix games unbeaten. The fans were always going to be overconfident today regardless of a thread started on a messageboard.

 

[jamesc0le]

i think spurs are one of the teams least likely to suffer from the negative aspects of over confidence, simply because we have a pretty good bunch of lads attitude wise and 9/10 times they are told by joe jordan or whoever else to f sort something out they will tend to get on with it rather than sulk abit etc

 

[StartingPrice]

You're completely missing the point. When your club is on a good run and they're playing QPR at home they are going to be confident. This confidence can have a negative impact on the team. This part you are correct on.

The thing is though that this is human/fan nature. It is always going to happen whatever the situation. When results are going badly the fans can get uneasy and even boo mispasses, this can also have a negative impact.

This is simply fan psychology and hasn't changed in the slightest since the introuduction of the internet and message boards.

The idea that a fan on the internet starting a thread asking if this could be our best ever Prem season could affect our form is paranoid and moronic. Some fans are already thinking this could be a great year and this is evident in the stadium.

The idea that the threads and discussions we have here are going to have an effect on our teams form is truly pathetic. Just enjoy a discussion forum for what it is and enjoy the debates. I'm not going to stop my positive ambitions for now and the rest of the season because of a fucked up idea that this could lead to over-confidence in the players.

I don't know that there is any quantifiable data proving that t'Internet/MBs haven't affected fan psychology...and on that basis I cannot say that I have completely missed the point.

Look, I get the point you are making - these things existed prior to the introduction of t'Internet, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it aving a negative impact just because it would have been impossible for one supporter to go around every Spurs supporters pub in the World trying to alter perceptions/opinions.

I think t'Internet will ahve had some kind of affect on fan psychology - either in scale, or scope of phenomeno, or on some other facet. I would be arguing exactly the same in a pub, so I think it is wholly pertinent to do so on an MB - if you ain't part of the solution you is part of the problem IMHO.

Funnily enough, I agree with the rest of your post - I jsut do not accept that you can blithely dismiss the notion that MB's can have any impact on fan perception, and, from thence, to group psychology, and I don't like the way your are dismissing the idea out of hand as moronic paranoia.

If anything, I would be on your side because confidence form the fans can transmit itself to the players and we want to be confident and should be confident - you should be revelling in the possibility that, even in a tiny way, you can add to that.

 

[dontcallme]

I don't know that there is any quantifiable data proving that t'Internet/MBs haven't affected fan psychology...and on that basis I cannot say that I have completely missed the point.

Look, I get the point you are making - these things existed prior to the introduction of t'Internet, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it aving a negative impact just because it would have been impossible for one supporter to go around every Spurs supporters pub in the World trying to alter perceptions/opinions.

I think t'Internet will ahve had some kind of affect on fan psychology - either in scale, or scope of phenomeno, or on some other facet. I would be arguing exactly the same in a pub, so I think it is wholly pertinent to do so on an MB - if you ain't part of the solution you is part of the problem IMHO.

So on a football messageboard you don't want us to discuss our teams prospects in case our players get over-confident?

I recall you being particularly vocal on here regarding our chances of finishing 4th in HR's first full season. Did this lead to over-confidence or a newfound belief that we could do it? Was your positivity a factor in us finishing 4th as this positivity escalated to the players and they then knew they could do it?

I'm pretty sure the answer is no, even if I don't have statistical data to back this up.

This is a messageboard and people should be free to discuss whatever they want. Some will be over-positive and some will be over-negative. I'm not going to curb my opinions on the messed up notion that this will affect the teams results. It really doesn't even if I don't have facts to back that up.

 

[StartingPrice]

So on a football messageboard you don't want us to discuss our teams prospects in case our players get over-confident?

I recall you being particularly vocal on here regarding our chances of finishing 4th in HR's first full season. Did this lead to over-confidence or a newfound belief that we could do it? Was your positivity a factor in us finishing 4th as this positivity escalated to the players and they then knew they could do it?

I'm pretty sure the answer is no, even if I don't have statistical data to back this up.

This is a messageboard and people should be free to discuss whatever they want. Some will be over-positive and some will be over-negative. I'm not going to curb my opinions on the messed up notion that this will affect the teams results. It really doesn't even if I don't have facts to back that up.

:grin:

Read the rest of my post...I made an edit.

 

[dontcallme]

:grin:

Read the rest of my post...I made an edit.

Sorry the tone was disagreeing with you but I was largely agreeing with you.

Just these posts saying we shouldn't think about the future because we need to focus on now really irritate me.

 

[StartingPrice]

Sorry the tone was disagreeing with you but I was largely agreeing with you.

Just these posts saying we shouldn't think about the future because we need to focus on now really irritate me.

I think we should concentrate on one game at a time in terms of results. I don't want to go down the route of us having 10 (or whatever) relatively easy games and making saying we should win x number and get x number of points, due to last seasons exoperience. Others can if they want - but I would caution against it, whether folk choose to listen or not.

But I am totally in favour of talking up our chances in a more general sense...I made a post pre-kick-off doing the same.

 

[kishman]

IMO if the signings off Parker and Adebayor were done before our first I think we would've been unbeaten in the league and possibly on the top 2. So yes I think we are on course for our best finish as long as we don't suffer from major injuries.

 

[stormfly]

We are Spurs don't forget! No team can f*** up as well as we can. At the moment we are on fire but Liverpool and A*****l are no that far behind us. Us, A*****l, C*****a and Liverpool could finish anywhere between 3rd and 5th there is not that much difference between us all. Let's just hope we are not the ones that finish 5th.

 

[StartingPrice]

We are Spurs don't forget! No team can f*** up as well as we can. At the moment we are on fire but Liverpool and A*****l are no that far behind us. Us, A*****l, C*****a and Liverpool could finish anywhere between 3rd and 5th there is not that much difference between us all. Let's just hope we are not the ones that finish 5th.

The Citeh fans will tell you different :wink:
Indeed, when the oil-mafioso brought them, they actualoly posted comments like yours, about how only Citeh could feck up having the richest owner in the World, etc.

 

[lukespurs7]

We are Spurs don't forget! No team can f*** up as well as we can. At the moment we are on fire but Liverpool and A*****l are no that far behind us. Us, A*****l, C*****a and Liverpool could finish anywhere between 3rd and 5th there is not that much difference between us all. Let's just hope we are not the ones that finish 5th.

The Spurs of old mabye, the Spurs of lasangegate, the Spurs who'd not previously beaten Chelsea at home for years or Arsenal or liverpool away or ever finished in the top 4. This Spurs are a different outfit mate.

 

[stormfly]

The Spurs of old mabye, the Spurs of lasangegate, the Spurs who'd not previously beaten Chelsea at home for years or Arsenal or liverpool away or ever finished in the top 4. This Spurs are a different outfit mate.

Yeah I know, I'm just saying we are one of the top 5 teams now, we could have a great season but still finish 5th. It's going to be really close this year I think, could all go down to the last game of the season.

 

[Narnill]

I hope so. I think this QPR game was a nailed on win. Fulham away will be tougher despite their poor form. We're not very good there.

Newcastle away, Fulham away, West Brom away and Bolton away are real bogey fixtures for us. We failed to win the first (and arguably most difficult) but we should be winning the other 3. Those types of fixtures, for me are the real benchmark.

 

[beats1]

And yet still won pretty comfortably, really.

In the name of Gawd :bang: United have won titles on the back of winning tens of games where they didn't full convince, and last season we were saying if only we won this type of game - well, guess what, we are winning them.

Aside from losing two games at the start of the season when our best player had been knobbled by one of our rivals (and the FA really should be looking at that), without other important player (esp. Sandro), and with our major Summer signings yet to sign (and what a difference they have made :shrug, what more can we do?

I would argue that the reason we are winning somewhat comfortably is because ledley has been playing he has already matched the amount of games he played last season, had he been fit in the last match and the newcastle match we would have 2 more points and wouldnt of been under cosh from blackburn

But the question I was answering was that we ready to challenge for the title and yes united may have won titles unconvincingly but atm man city and united are much more ruthless than us as are chelsea despite their slip up last week and losing to arsenal

When was the last time we battered a team other than liverpool who went down to 9 men, the last time we won by three goals in the league was wigan away feb 2010