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worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
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Modric was the main difference as straight away he started putting his foot on the ball and sizing up the situation before moving or playing the right ball, great control too.
You have to ask if Defoe would have made the runs Pav did for his two goals and I'm not convinced, certainly not his second so to take off Defoe was spot on in todays circumstances, plus he's got a big game on Wednesday.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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Good subs. Wasn't impressed with him still trying to get cheap shots on Pav in his interview though.

I didn't read it that way. To me he was saying to Pav: "Keep doing what you have been this week, keep your attitude right, and you will get a chance. Go back into your shell, and getting your agent to ring up Levy every day, and you can forget it."
 

teddy_sheringham_125

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Harry has been getting a lot of stick of late, and unjustifiably so in my opinion. Today we were the best team throughout on a terrible pitch against a tricky Wigan team. The starting line up and subs were spot on and we made the 3 points look easy in the end. I'm pleased for Super Pav too and I hope he gets his chance against Bolton now.
 

Legend10

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The third substitution worked but I certainly didn't like it at the time. Still 20 minutes to go on a terrible pitch with tiring limbs heightening the possibility of pulls like Ledders and we voluntarily used our last sub with 20 minutes still to play.

All's well that ends well.
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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Modric could never play any worse than Kranjcar so that was a no brainer.

IMO Crouch should have been substituted in place of Defoe, where both Defoe and Pav would have benefited from Modric's service.

So unlike you I, am not going to get a hard on over Harry's "substitution"s

TBH I fall between the two stools (and they doesn't half smell:eek:mg:).
I doesn't lightly agree with LL (as he knows) but it worked and as seen as he has been getting stick for his subs he should now get 'un-stick'. And the first thang I thought was 'why is he bringing JD off and not Crouch'. But he knows that situation better than any of us, I presume and, as LL says, the proof is in the pudding.

On the other hand, I too would make a slight quibble: I don't like this usage of all 3 substitutes. It can backfire...and in the past it has., when an injury has meant we were leeft with 10 men.
 

worcestersauce

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On the other hand, I too would make a slight quibble: I don't like this usage of all 3 substitutes. It can backfire...and in the past it has., when an injury has meant we were leeft with 10 men.

You just play the percentages, how much more likely is it that the last sub is going to make a difference than there being an injury and going down to ten men before the difference is made?
 

StartingPrice

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You just play the percentages, how much more likely is it that the last sub is going to make a difference than there being an injury and going down to ten men before the difference is made?

When Lennon did his ankle in against Stoke at the Lane:shrug:

Or on that Wigan pitch (I would've twisted me ankle just trying to run on it.

Anyway, like I said, it is just a quibble I have.He had to make the first substitution 'cos of Ledders, and how many times is his first substitution 'cos he's started with him and one of his many injuries has surfaced. Only leaves scope for two tactical substitutions, and that leaves more scope for a 'mishap'.
 

beals

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Dec 22, 2003
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I can't fault Harry today. I actually thought Kranjcar put in a great shift today, tackling, closing down and he made a couple of goods runs forward, however it was a heavy pitch and he had used up a lot of fuel. Luka came on, settled the game, and we suddenly looked a lot more purposeful going forward. I agree that it also has to be one of Luka or Kranjcar, as if both play they both cut in, and with the state of the pitch today it would of been a nightmare. As for DB I though he didn't stop trying, held the ball up well and provided a good option to stretch the play. Although he did drift in a tad also. Pav great 20 mins, lets hope he gets plently more opportunities and takes them as he did today. Maybe Harry is working a bit of magic here, getting both Bently and Pav to perform again. On in all a great three points, I was getting nervous from about 70min till we got the second. Great to be back to winning ways.
 

Luka Lennon

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TBH I fall between the two stools (and they doesn't half smell:eek:mg:).
I doesn't lightly agree with LL (as he knows) but it worked and as seen as he has been getting stick for his subs he should now get 'un-stick'. And the first thang I thought was 'why is he bringing JD off and not Crouch'. But he knows that situation better than any of us, I presume and, as LL says, the proof is in the pudding.

On the other hand, I too would make a slight quibble: I don't like this usage of all 3 substitutes. It can backfire...and in the past it has., when an injury has meant we were leeft with 10 men.


We've only argued once in my Dodgy Daws thread and so far you've agreed with me twice on the Bale at left midfield being a crap idea and now this

so in short you've agreed with me more than you've disagreed with me
 

bomberH

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Some people are impossible to please it seems. Wigan never looked like scoring, we pretty much controlled the whole game and the subs came on and finished it all off.

But no. The subs should've started, apparently. Also apparently we have a world class bench so whoever he brought on would've made a difference (cos that always happens). And someone's even put inverted commas either side of the word 'substitutions' as if to say they weren't real substitutions.

Well done Spurs. Shit pitch, up north where we're usually a soft touch, controlled the game, some good passing football in shit conditions, won 3-0 away. Happy days.
 

tRiKS

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Jun 6, 2005
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when we saw the team and bench we would have all thought Modric on after about 65mins, you don't have to be a genius to come to make that call or predict Harry would make, it so i'm giving him the bare minimum credit for that. I'm mightly impressed with the Pavlyuchencko move though. 9/10
 

striebs

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Modric could never play any worse than Kranjcar so that was a no brainer.

IMO Crouch should have been substituted in place of Defoe, where both Defoe and Pav would have benefited from Modric's service.

So unlike you I, am not going to get a hard on over Harry's "substitution"s


One way or other Defoe was going to leave the pitch early today so it's just as well that Harry pulled him off .


I like the guy but on another day his stupid challenge and petulence could have cost the team .

Only Peter Crouch tried to get him to cool it , thought King or Dawson should have talked some sense into him .
 

rockyhotspur

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Great to see Modric back at his best and especially on that pitch. I think Harry did really well today on both starting 11 and subs. Harry gets my award for man of the match!
 

AirTito

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Niko is a good player but needs to be on as a sub ( i can see why Arry did that for todays game)...He got it right this afternoon

Pav should have started IMO for Crouch as well.

At this point it dont matter cause Spurs got 3 points and in 4th!
 

camaj

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You can look at it two ways, Harry made some good substitutions or he picked the wrong players to begin with. Personally I think Modric and Pav should have started but at least he saw sense unlike previous matches where he failed to correct his mistake.
 

Luka Lennon

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You can look at it two ways, Harry made some good substitutions or he picked the wrong players to begin with. Personally I think Modric and Pav should have started but at least he saw sense unlike previous matches where he failed to correct his mistake.



or you can look at what actually happened without needlessly bashing our manager

Modric was crap against Bolton and Niko came on and played well so he earned the start today. The line up Harry put out was winning the game and Wigan were creating very little and tiring so Harry made 2 good attacking subs and Wigan didn't have enough left in the tank to handle them.

How you mugs can critise the manager when we won 3-0 away from home on a fucking rugby pitch is beyond my comprehension
 

louisg

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dunno i dont see why kranjcar had to go off instead of bentley, thought kranjcar could have moved to the right

pav! (lazy git)


Have you not seen Kranjcar on the right? He offers no width. Our left side is sorted for once with Modric and Kranjcar on the left. Lets leave it at that. Bentley has been playing well and we will improve again when lennon is fit in a few weeks.
 

Bulletspur

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didn't get a hard on smart arse, football doesn't get my shaft up women do :wink:

and I was waiting for someone to say Crouch should've went instead of Defoe as I felt that way at the time too but the proof is in the pudding he made the right decision who's to say Pav and Defoe wouldn't have gotten in each others way for his first
A confident and on form Crouch yes I could go along with that, but he was the worst performer, in a very average performance yesterday in my opinion.
 
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