Match Threads Arsenal Vs Spurs

[Spurslove]

I think Nuno is a really nice bloke and I want him to succeed, but really miss Poch. I remember him always encouraging the players to play, play, play. Looking back it was the only time I felt truly connected to the club

It's easy to hark back to those wonderful two or three years under Poch when we were very serious title contenders and scaring the crap out of every team's defenders every week, but we have to also remember what we were playing like when he got sacked. We were utterly abysmal. No wins away from home for 11 months. How did he let that happen? I know most people blame Levy for his apparent lack of investment, but somehow, the players Poch had for those two or three years, stopped playing for him. Let's not try to re-write history here. I know everything has turned to crap but let's be honest about who we should be blaming for this shit. It's Nuno. He has to carry the can for what we all saw today, and that crazy team selection cock-up.

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[stormfly]

Reggie seems to be getting worse for us after each game. It’s really worrying that we have so many players that get worse after they join us. I can’t think of many of the current squad that has actually improved over the years (maybe Son). Dele gets worse every year, Dier gets worse, Sanchez get worse, Reggie gets worse, Doherty gets worse, and now Kane and Holjberg are struggling! The scary thing is that it’s happened with 3 different coaches for most of them! What is going on?

 

[KaribYid]

It's easy to hark back to those wonderful two or three years under Poch when we were very serious title contenders and scaring the crap out of every team's defenders every week, but we have to also remember what we were playing like when he got sacked. We were utterly abysmal. No wins away from home for 11 months. How did he let that happen? I know most people blame Levy for his apparent lack of investment, but somehow, the players Poch had for those two or three years, stopped playing for him. Let's not try to re-write history here. I know everything has turned to crap but let's be honest about who we should be blaming for this shit. It's Nuno. He has to carry the can for what we all saw today, and that crazy team selection cock-up.

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Poch, like Ferguson and Pep knew that players stop responding to a manager's methods after working with them for a long period of time. By the time he was sacked, he had been working with the players for 5 years. The dressing room needed refreshing.

He saw everything coming. It's why he asked for a rebuild. He said it would be "painful" because he knew we would've had to let go of players who we had all grown fond of. Levy thought that he could get more out of the squad by bringing in a new manager - but Mourinho quickly found out, like Poch, that these players were no longer good enough.

I see people equate Poch getting his rebuild by us spending 100m+ in the 2019 window when we signed Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon but we still didn't refresh the squad. At that point, it was worse because not only did Poch want a lot of the players gone, a lot of them wanted to leave. Alderweireld, Aurier, Rose, Eriksen etc.

That context is often left out when speaking of the final 18 months of Poch's tenure. It was a stale squad with players and a manager who were equally tired of each other. Poch called it early and tried to get Levy to act but he didn't. Not backing Pochettino's call for a rebuild is probably the biggest decision in a string of poor decisions that's led us to where we are now.

 

[TURKISH69]

It's easy to hark back to those wonderful two or three years under Poch when we were very serious title contenders and scaring the crap out of every team's defenders every week, but we have to also remember what we were playing like when he got sacked. We were utterly abysmal. No wins away from home for 11 months. How did he let that happen? I know most people blame Levy for his apparent lack of investment, but somehow, the players Poch had for those two or three years, stopped playing for him. Let's not try to re-write history here. I know everything has turned to crap but let's be honest about who we should be blaming for this shit. It's Nuno. He has to carry the can for what we all saw today, and that crazy team selection cock-up.

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Yes agree but wasnt backed to refreshen the squad two transfer windows no signing hence stagnated and regressed not on Poch its on Levy!! Poch told us we need a rebuild!!!#LEVYOUT

 

[Barrd10]

Poch, like Ferguson and Pep knew that players stop responding to a manager's methods after working with them for a long period of time. By the time he was sacked, he had been working with the players for 5 years. The dressing room needed refreshing.

He saw everything coming. It's why he asked for a rebuild. He said it would be "painful" because he knew we would've had to let go of players who we had all grown fond of. Levy thought that he could get more out of the squad by bringing in a new manager - but Mourinho quickly found out, like Poch, that these players were no longer good enough.

I see people equate Poch getting his rebuild by us spending 100m+ in the 2019 window when we signed Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon but we still didn't refresh the squad. At that point, it was worse because not only did Poch want a lot of the players gone, a lot of them wanted to leave. Alderweireld, Aurier, Rose, Eriksen etc.

That context is often left out when speaking of the final 18 months of Poch's tenure. It was a stale squad with players and a manager who were equally tired of each other. Poch called it early and tried to get Levy to act but he didn't. Not backing Pochettino's call for a rebuild is probably the biggest decision in a string of poor decisions that's led us to where we are now.

Yes Poch’s biggest mistake was not investing when we were on the up. I think that probably was because Levi was offering him crappy players and Poch wanted the best. So we didn’t invest and we have gone backwards since. Also we spent a massive amount of money on 2 players who hardly play - LeCelso (injured) or NDombele (can’t be arsed).

 

[FloridaSpur]

It is.

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Didn't Ramos last eight games into the new season?

Three weeks ago we were laughing as Woolwich, who were at the bottom, and we were at the top of the Premier League.

We are now below them.

Levy cannot hide behind results, 3-0, 0-3, 3-1 that is unacceptable at this level.

 

[g_harry]

Poch, like Ferguson and Pep knew that players stop responding to a manager's methods after working with them for a long period of time. By the time he was sacked, he had been working with the players for 5 years. The dressing room needed refreshing.

He saw everything coming. It's why he asked for a rebuild. He said it would be "painful" because he knew we would've had to let go of players who we had all grown fond of. Levy thought that he could get more out of the squad by bringing in a new manager - but Mourinho quickly found out, like Poch, that these players were no longer good enough.

I see people equate Poch getting his rebuild by us spending 100m+ in the 2019 window when we signed Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon but we still didn't refresh the squad. At that point, it was worse because not only did Poch want a lot of the players gone, a lot of them wanted to leave. Alderweireld, Aurier, Rose, Eriksen etc.

That context is often left out when speaking of the final 18 months of Poch's tenure. It was a stale squad with players and a manager who were equally tired of each other. Poch called it early and tried to get Levy to act but he didn't. Not backing Pochettino's call for a rebuild is probably the biggest decision in a string of poor decisions that's led us to where we are now.

Absolutely spot on. Go and have a look at the start of Poch's rebuild, it was the game away to Belgrade when I first seen glimpses of what it could be. Ndombele & LoCelso were very good and Sess came on and impressed. Skipp might have made an appearance also. If he had been given the new central defence and time I can only imagine how good we could be now. Unfortunately it's not to be thanks to one man. It's frightening how far behind the team has fallen.

 

[hamsup_sotong]

Who do you put in the middle three do you reckon? I dont really see that as one sitter, they need to work together. And they need two wing forwards to play it in to. I think hojbjerg performs better with skipp in there. And then its GLC or Ndombele, even though they're not exactly reliable either.

It needs sorting quickly. It's the crux of our problems.

we can't play a 433 cause our or cmz don't have the engine/pace physicality for it.

the wingers don't track the attacking backs and the back 4 isn't moving as a unit. Look at the massive amount of ground the wide cms have to cover. Worst part is anyone that is beaten /bypassed doesn't even break out of a jog to chase back.

the malaise is from top down from the board to the team.

1st one to be dropped should be kane. His effort and application is piss poor. He should be leading from the front. Drop him until he busts a gut.

Anyone clamouring for front foot pressing football can forget about that for a long time.

Go to a back 5

Gollini
rodon/japhet. Romero. Sanchez
Emerson Pierre. skipp. regi
gio. ndombele/gill
son

 

[Jules_PF]

PEH position has to come into doubt too.
He was horrendous in the first half today no protection of the defence and Terrible in possession, skipp is better at both imo and PEH cannot do the box to box role in a 433.
I would and Nuno should be ruthless now as Pochettino was with Lennon kaboul and adebayor and ditch 2 or 3 of the players who are not performing

Spot on.

Too many passengers and malcontents, If I was NES, I would drop Kane, Ndombele and Alli. Sorry but they do not do enough for different reasons and gain more control of the dressing room. These sort of performances have been a continual running sore going all the way back to Poch and his last year or so. The squad needs urgent surgery, they are stale. Poch (final year), Mourinho and now NES can't get a consistent tune out of this bunch. It can no longer be considered the manager(s). Its the players. January sales, Ndombele, Alli, Daives, Sanchez, Dier, GLC and Kane. Kane wanted out and he has done enough to deserve a move if he wished it. Levy playing hardball has hurt the team, he (Kane) has unfortunately become a malcontent which has upset the team ethic. Bad decision from Levy.

 

[TonyS]

Where do we go from here?? Do we can NES?? Maybe. Today, he has to shoulder most of the blame. The buck stops with him. What scares me the most with him, is his motionless appearance on the sideline. I said previously that he is out of his depth. Seems like a nice guy, but as a boss of mine once said, "sure we're all fucking nice" Having supported Spurs for close on 48 years, I have witnessed some goodins and baddins. What we have witnessed these past few weeks, falls into the latter. But, we all saw it coming. Almost 3 years in the making. No point in looking back, and Ill go back to my original comment, where do we go from here?? If he does go, who comes in??
Kane has to shoulder his portion also. That soap opera has not helped matters, and let's be honest, he dosent give a toss. Disgraceful really.
We need new owners, with cash, sharpish. That's the only way forward, IMO.

 

[DannyNZ]

Felt sorry for him during the interview he comes across as a decent person but doesn't have the answers for perennial non-performers like Dele, Dier, Sanchez, Nombele and recent new recruit to the "I couldn't give a toss" club Kane. His mistake for trusting them and not seeing them for what they are, bit of arrogance to think he could get a tune out of them where Poch and Jose came up short (exluding new recruit Kane of course) and not trusting the new blood Gil, Skipp and Romero.

 

[davros]

I really don't understand leaving Skipp and Gil out of the starting lineup. The NLD is a tough fixture, away from home, that will get a bit physical, and will probably be attended by noisy, hungry fans.

It seems like exactly the right fixture for Skipp. He's our best option for protecting our defense, and he toughens up our midfield while allowing Hojbjerg to get further forward when necessary. And he obviously gets what the fixture means.

Midweek MOTM Gil seems to be finding his place, and he is a smart player who wants to make things happen. He's dynamic and creative.

I like Alli and Moura, and they weren't necessarily our worst performers against Arsenal. In fact, it would be reductive to single out any one player as the main culprit for that atrocious performance. But starting with Gil and Skipp over Moura and Alli would give more steel, energy, and creativity. If Kane loses the ball deep in the Arsenal half, Skipp isn't going to rely on Kane getting back down the length of the field to make the challenge.

It's early in the season, and we are obviously a work in progress. I just can't see the progress yet. If this is to be a 'painful rebuild', massive fixtures like this are where we should trust our most promising and effective young players to become the foundations on which we build.

 

[sebo_sek]

Absolutely spot on. Go and have a look at the start of Poch's rebuild, it was the game away to Belgrade when I first seen glimpses of what it could be. Ndombele & LoCelso were very good and Sess came on and impressed. Skipp might have made an appearance also. If he had been given the new central defence and time I can only imagine how good we could be now. Unfortunately it's not to be thanks to one man. It's frightening how far behind the team has fallen.

For the first time ever, I am ready to join the anti-levy brigade. Reading the analyses of the years leading up to this diarrhea of a team, I can see the criminal negligence on his part. Truly shocking.

 

[stormfly]

Just had a quick look at our fixtures thinking we should have some easy games soon. Now I don’t know where our next win is going to come from haha.

 

[Haddock]

I was really not impressed by Arsenal. We just made it so easy for them.

 

[Monkey boy]

It has amazed me for the last decade that every year we turn up at the shit hole and look bamboozled by the fact that they and their crowd are bang up for it which leads us to look like rabbits caught in the headlights.

That said, we played pretty much the same team last season and you know what they say about the definition of insanity.

Most worrying for me though is that Nuno kind of says that he knew what the problem was in the 1st half but yet again like the Crystal Palace and Chelsea game just sat there watching it all unfold right infront of him without so much as changing a players position let alone making a sub.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Nuno has to go......NOT because we lost our last 3 games....but because we all know how this is going to play out ,so why waste more time, get rid asap....... he is fucking clueless, boring me to death on and off the field,and as much use to us as a one legged bloke in an arse kicking competition.

 

[Stamford]

Absolutely spot on. Go and have a look at the start of Poch's rebuild, it was the game away to Belgrade when I first seen glimpses of what it could be. Ndombele & LoCelso were very good and Sess came on and impressed. Skipp might have made an appearance also. If he had been given the new central defence and time I can only imagine how good we could be now. Unfortunately it's not to be thanks to one man. It's frightening how far behind the team has fallen.

If he was given more time he would have relegated us. That's how bad it was.

 

[Matthew]

How the fuck is Emerson a better signing than Tomiyasu? We are in so much trouble as a club.

who in the shit signed off on this decision? we kept tomiyasu waiting for months - then got emerson ( who dont look great) in like a week.

 

[g_harry]

If he was given more time he would have relegated us. That's how bad it was.

A bit like Levy you didn't listen to one of the best managers this club had, it was gonna be a painful rebuild. Wasn't gonna happen overnight,especially the way out recruitment is done.