Match Threads Arsenal Vs Spurs

[g_harry]

who in the shit signed off on this decision? we kept tomiyasu waiting for months - then got emerson ( who dont look great) in like a week.

That's the problem right there. Signed a player for more money because Levy thought he was getting a deal for a barca player. Absolutely crazy.

 

[Matthew]

We are going nowhere under this Manager.

WE ARE! directly to the championship! least we might win some silverware the following season though! .... the play off trophy!

 

[Spurslove]

For the first time ever, I am ready to join the anti-levy brigade. Reading the analyses of the years leading up to this diarrhea of a team, I can see the criminal negligence on his part. Truly shocking.

I totally agree. I've always defended Levy but in all honesty, I can't any more. Enough is enough. What we all had to watch yesterday should act as a kind of 'rock bottom'. Totally unacceptable. The problem is, how do we get rid of ENIC and bring in a sugar daddy with loads of dirty, laundered money?

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[Matthew]

If you're going to the bar, can I have a bleach and lemon, please?

mines a double.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I hope people don't put this down solely to Nuno. The players are a disgrace, yet again they have been shocking and have let us down time and time again.

You're right, the players are a disgrace. But why not put the blame solely on Nuno?

He's the one who, for some reason, and despite him probably being our best midfielder so far this season, didn't think Skipp was needed in the starting lineup. But then realised his monumental fuck up & tried to rectify it at half time. Too fucking late!

He's the one who, for some reason, and despite him being our brightest attacking/creative spark each time he played, opted to ignore Bryan until it was far too late.

He's the one who has decided we, despite committing to upwards of £70M on new signings in the summer, should just select the same fucking players who have let us down time & time again.

And he's the one who's continually selecting 2 players who have made it clear they don't even want to be at the club, are putting in next to no effort whatsoever, and even let's one of them be captain in Lloris' absence.

He's the one who's not got no idea about how to get on the front foot and give our opponents something to think about, and despite being just a defensive as Mourinho, has seen us ship in 9 goals in our last 3 league games & go into free-fall down the league.

Yes the players should shoulder some of the blame. But all of the above is totally on him. Which I guess also means Paratici is just as responsible because he's the defense obsessed **** who chose this shambles of a head coach.

(Posted fully aware that Levy chose Paratici & is ultimately responsible for everything. But he has nothing to do with match days, or the preparation for them.)

The club is fucked from top to bottom.

 

[jolsnogross]

That's the problem right there. Signed a player for more money because Levy thought he was getting a deal for a barca player. Absolutely crazy.

I'm having a hard time seeing whatever it is about Emerson that suggests he's any good. Everyone keeps banging out about needing to spend more, but we spend plenty.

Maybe he won't be a dud, but where is our team building? Which of our players complements another? Who is explaining our scouting decisions?

Why are our players so mentally weak? Why can't they rally round each other to prevent teams running all over us? Why are some so unfit for this level? Why are they worse season on season instead of improving? So many questions, so much dysfunction.

 

[waresy]

Arsenal had what we need yesterday - 2 young hungry players who had no fear and some pace. They've obviously had a slump the last year or 2 and long may that continue but in Saka and Smith-Rowe they have a chance.

 

[TheTanguy]

Arsenal had what we need yesterday - 2 young hungry players who had no fear and some pace. They've obviously had a slump the last year or 2 and long may that continue but in Saka and Smith-Rowe they have a chance.

Bryan Gil is pacey, hungry and possibly even more talented than those two, but our manager put his faith in nothing players like Dele and Lucas.

 

[Matthew]

Reggie seems to be getting worse for us after each game. It’s really worrying that we have so many players that get worse after they join us. I can’t think of many of the current squad that has actually improved over the years (maybe Son). Dele gets worse every year, Dier gets worse, Sanchez get worse, Reggie gets worse, Doherty gets worse, and now Kane and Holjberg are struggling! The scary thing is that it’s happened with 3 different coaches for most of them! What is going on?

they're allowed to, most coaches/clubs would move them. Yet here they are sitting on massive contracts and have nothing to give them the massive kick up their arses they need.

 

[g_harry]

I'm having a hard time seeing whatever it is about Emerson that suggests he's any good. Everyone keeps banging out about needing to spend more, but we spend plenty.

Maybe he won't be a dud, but where is our team building? Which of our players complements another? Who is explaining our scouting decisions?

Why are our players so mentally weak? Why can't they rally round each other to prevent teams running all over us? Why are some so unfit for this level? Why are they worse season on season instead of improving? So many questions, so much dysfunction.

Exactly in first few minutes yesterday I noticed Tomiyasu looking for ball directing team mates where to play and who to play too. I didn't see that from any of our so called experience players.

 

[Up From Dover]

Arsenal had what we need yesterday - 2 young hungry players who had no fear and some pace. They've obviously had a slump the last year or 2 and long may that continue but in Saka and Smith-Rowe they have a chance.

A few years ago we had 2 young hungry players. They might not have had pace but they were lively, scored goals and caused problems for opposition defences. I'm talking about Kane and Dele. Neither are the same player these days. I know Kane top scored in the PL last season but he's not as lethal as he was.
I have to add they did have a creative player in Eriksen behind them plus Dembele who bossed midfield and also a couple of fast attacking wing backs in Walker and Rose who provided goalscoring opportunities. None of those four have been adequately replaced.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

We are going nowhere under this Manager.

Downwards is somewhere.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

People moaned about Jose’s defensive style… where’s those people now smh

Umm, we're here moaning about his defensive **** of a replacement, the defensive **** of a DOF that chose him, and the total **** at the top of the table who chose the defensive **** of a DOF.

 

[XIIIMPC]

Yes mabye but other clubs with lesser resource than us have shown that with a solid player recruitment strategy that matches the managers plan and philosophy you can overperform.

Leicester have done it for a few years under Rogers, Moyes did it at Everton and again at West Ham now, Brentford are massively overachieving with their set-up so it can be done but we never have a clear concise plan on the football side so we are constantly in this limbo state.

Very frustrating

You absolutely can overachieve, but it can't be held that way indefinitely.

 

[XIIIMPC]

This is all defeatist bullshit. The key to our success was Poch. Simple enough. When push came to shove, we didn't back the guy who could sustain success for several seasons in a row.
And we've spent plenty on money since he left, and become a banter long ball team.

None of which remotely contradicts what I said.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

WE ARE! directly to the championship! least we might win some silverware the following season though! .... the play off trophy!

#BringBackTheOptimisticRating

 

[rossdapep]

Poch, like Ferguson and Pep knew that players stop responding to a manager's methods after working with them for a long period of time. By the time he was sacked, he had been working with the players for 5 years. The dressing room needed refreshing.

He saw everything coming. It's why he asked for a rebuild. He said it would be "painful" because he knew we would've had to let go of players who we had all grown fond of. Levy thought that he could get more out of the squad by bringing in a new manager - but Mourinho quickly found out, like Poch, that these players were no longer good enough.

I see people equate Poch getting his rebuild by us spending 100m+ in the 2019 window when we signed Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon but we still didn't refresh the squad. At that point, it was worse because not only did Poch want a lot of the players gone, a lot of them wanted to leave. Alderweireld, Aurier, Rose, Eriksen etc.

That context is often left out when speaking of the final 18 months of Poch's tenure. It was a stale squad with players and a manager who were equally tired of each other. Poch called it early and tried to get Levy to act but he didn't. Not backing Pochettino's call for a rebuild is probably the biggest decision in a string of poor decisions that's led us to where we are now.

That window you are talking about was typical Levy.

Very promising start and we then spent around 5 weeks dragging out two deals. Ok, that wouldn't have been a major problem in a trypical window. But we needed a major refresh as it was clear the CL final was the end of an era.

Yet that same team rocked up for the first game of the season with very minimal change other than Ndombele, who needed time to adjust.

We should have secured two new full backs, a new centre forward/attacker and a defensive midfielder. I know it was a lot to add in one window but again it highlighted Levy's half-way measures. Toby, Rose, Eriksen, Wanyama, Sissoko and Aurier should all have been out the door that year as it was clear they had given us their very best and were now done.

With the CL windfall we received that was THE window to go mental. Ensure that we didn't need to spend much more in the coming windows but really give Poch a boost.

I think he was happy with Ndombele and Lo Celso but probably asked for much much more and knew deep down that enough hadn't been done, which is why he moped in his final weeks.

Jesus Perez spoke of the final window and 'missing out on certain players' or something along those lines.

 

[The Apprentice]

The most damning indictment of where we are under Nuno, was watching Moura drop into the #10 pocket and attempting to orchestrate our attacks against a deep block.

Moura is a willing lad and works hard but he shouldn't be a nailed on first team starter, let alone a dictating #10.

We have an Eriksen shaped hole in this team, regardless of who we pick.

 

[Spurslove]

That window you are talking about was typical Levy.

Very promising start and we then spent around 5 weeks dragging out two deals. Ok, that wouldn't have been a major problem in a trypical window. But we needed a major refresh as it was clear the CL final was the end of an era.

Yet that same team rocked up for the first game of the season with very minimal change other than Ndombele, who needed time to adjust.

We should have secured two new full backs, a new centre forward/attacker and a defensive midfielder. I know it was a lot to add in one window but again it highlighted Levy's half-way measures. Toby, Rose, Eriksen, Wanyama, Sissoko and Aurier should all have been out the door that year as it was clear they had given us their very best and were now done.

With the CL windfall we received that was THE window to go mental. Ensure that we didn't need to spend much more in the coming windows but really give Poch a boost.

I think he was happy with Ndombele and Lo Celso but probably asked for much much more and knew deep down that enough hadn't been done, which is why he moped in his final weeks.

Jesus Perez spoke of the final window and 'missing out on certain players' or something along those lines.

Perhaps this is tempting an 'Off-Topic' award, and none of us knows anything for sure, but for me, the biggest part of the manager's job is to get the very best out of all his players on a match-day, and Poch had clearly 'lost the dressing room' by the time he got sacked, and he, as much as those players, have to take all the blame for how things ended. We can't make any serious arguments about who we should have signed or who we should have sold at the time because by doing so, we are ignoring the reality of the situation. The big question is why the players who served him so brilliantly previously suddenly stopped playing for him.

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[rossdapep]

Perhaps this is tempting an 'Off-Topic' award, and none of us knows anything for sure, but for me, the biggest part of the manager's job is to get the very best out of all his players on a match-day, and Poch had clearly 'lost the dressing room' by the time he got sacked, and he, as much as those players, have to take all the blame for how things ended. We can't make any serious arguments about who we should have signed or who we should have sold at the time because by doing so, we are ignoring the reality of the situation. The big question is why the players who served him so brilliantly previously suddenly stopped playing for him.

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Yeah, perhaps it was all too late at that point. But Poch was still talking about a big rebuild and who knows maybe a big shuffle would have reinvigorated him and refocused him.

I rhink it was simply a case of the players being with him too long and gettong tired of his methods. We all know Poch's preseasons are brutal and when you get to the 4th or 5th one with no success and your coach is trying to control everything maybe you just get tired real quick.

Who knows what would have happened but I do think we'd have sorted ourselves out quicker with a quicker and bigger shuffle.