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archibald1882

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The Champions League was set up to provide financial security & stability for the elite clubs in Europe. AC Milan realised how much they lost in revenue when they did not qualify one year that they kicked the ball off. The top clubs needed little persuading given the revenue steams the completion generates.


We are not one of Europe's elite clubs. We never really have been. We've had our peaks & some fantastic years. But what is our club about? That’s where we are at the moment and, in my view, the key question we have to ask as we move forward.


Our recent qualification for the Champions League was fantastic. I had tears in my eyes & the hairs on the back of my neck stood up as I listened to that Champions League song being played at the Lane for our first game, evoking past memories of glory nights at the Lane-Anderlecht, Bayern Munich & not so glorious results but great, exciting evenings against Madrid & Barcelona from the 80s. Unbelievable memories created. And yet, unfortunately, unrealistic expectations.


Harry Redknapp did well but so much of football is about luck and timing. He had a perfect storm of under-performing, quality players with at least 2 of world class potential (Bale & Modric) with a manager who ‘set them free’ in a football manner from the tactical restraints imposed by Ramos (and he could speak English). We added to that another in VDV who in my view fitted that category, although it would seem that was more of the Chairman’s doing than Redknapp & was fortunate that we were in the right place when he was made available. He motivated the players. Got the best out of those 3.


How much of our reaching those dizzy heights was also due to City’s investment not quite kicking in & poor seasons from Chelsea (in the league), Liverpool & Arsenal? This season United have had a dramatic fall from grace yet replaced by Liverpool’s resurgence, the latter being a vindication of what happens if you keep world class player(s).


AVB was never a fit for the Club. He did not understand what Spurs is about. This is really the key point I seek to make. We must not make such a mistake again with the next managerial appointment.


Let’s get real. The Club has already stated they intend to build a new stadium which will require significant investment. The economy is not such that they will easily get favourable terms on the necessary borrowing that they may have got 7 or 8 years ago. This will mean a period of leanness in terms of spending power. We need that revenue to be able to compete in the medium and longer term. Today Liverpool have announced that they intend to increase Anfield’s capacity to just short of 60k, Chelsea soon the same.


My view is we have punched well above our weight since Martin Jol was in charge. It’s only Arsenal’s incompetence that has meant we are even in touch with them. They have paid their stadium off, sit on a fortune, have gate receipts over £1 million per game more than us & have had Champions League income of over £20million very year more than we have.


In Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Everton and ourselves there will be 7 teams chasing that coveted top-4 spot most years. All bar Everton have resources significantly exceeding those available to us.


Champions League qualification should be an aspiration when we have a team that is playing to that standard and capable of competing.


It feels like the soul has disappeared from the Club. That we are prepared to sell our grandmothers to qualify for the Champions League. We’re happy with one-null scraped victories or talk about dominating possession. We used to crucify Brendan Rogers last year when he made such comments after we’d beaten Liverpool yet AVB did that all the time! There’s too much statistical analysis of the game, OPTA indices, figures on how many times each player passed wind per half etc. Anyone can play 10 yard square-passes ‘Ray Wilkins’ style on the half way line & maintain possession.


Surely what matters is about trying to win the game. Trying to beat a man. The emphasis is on the word ‘trying’. Such is the critical atmosphere at the Lane some matches I do think the players are scared to take a chance for fear they may lose possession. Is that what we are about? Audere est Facere? Can you imagine Ardiles, Gascoigne, Hoddle, Waddle playing in such an atmosphere? These are the sorts of players that affect football matches by scoring or creating goals and chances.


In my view Sherwood is spot on what he says about the a calibre of our players. Too many are run of the mill. Lloris is a world class goalkeeper. Eriksen has potential. Vertonghen is capable if his heart is in it. The rest? You make your own minds up. Does anyone really believe Danny Rose & Kyle Naughton are credible Spurs full backs? Is Townsend more than a flash in the pan? We have squandered the fortune money received for Bale. Chadli-what does he do? (I’m not being critical I just don’t know-he has no pace, he can’t beat a man, he can’t tackle, he can’t pass & he can’t shoot-OK before you all say ‘he scored that goal at Newcastle’ let’s not forget so did Timothee Atouba); Paulinho-the game passes him by; Chiriches (ball-playing centre half prone to errors); Soldado (lovely touch but cannot hit a cow’s backside with a banjo-harsh I know but I think he will come good with the right service); Capoue (Sandro Junior); that other bloke that no-one’s see. Lamela has that potential. Let’s hope he is the player we hope he is. Otherwise we sold our most exciting attacking talent (arguably ever at the Club) and did not replace the things he brought-pace & goals.


In the rush for the Champions League qualification we’ve forgotten what we are about. That fantastic video narrated by Roger Lloyd-Pack. The point is we have to lick our wounds & rebuild. That will take some time & I do not want to watch a team trying to bore out 1-0 victories. We’ve always been inconsistent But with inconsistency comes great highs. You cant’ have the highs without the lows.


Reality is we will lose a number of players in the Summer & not be able to attract anyone in the top category. So we develop young players & blend them with more experienced campaigners.


Let’s be patient. Let’s invest in young players and let them learn (but not Rose or Naughton). Let’s buy pace (please) on the wings. How boring are inverted wingers? Let’s appoint a manager who will build for the medium term but with flair, excitement, creativity. Let’s pass the ball & take people on. A manager who will understand what the Club is about & have us play the Tottenham way. That should be the main criteria the Board apply.


And please, please, please…let’s score some more goals.


Controversial I know. I expect many will disagree. Just my thoughts & would love to hear yours.


PS I will be renewing my season ticket whatever!
 

thinktank

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I'll let you know what I think of all that in 2056 when I've finished reading it.




*jokes;) welcome to the board, mate.(y)
 

Bobbins

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I've said variations on a theme in a series of threads in the last few days, and can't be bothered to write everything all over again.

Suffice to say:

This is the end of an era. There won't be anymore challenging for the CL places for at least a few years. There's no more Modric, VDV, Bale or King and no-one coming along to replace them either. LVG was our last hope of clinging on to the top 4 fight and making a final attempt to break into the group for good. That's very probably gone now.

We should go back to the Jol/Arnesen days. Back when it became exciting to see Spurs on the up after years in the doldrums. Bring through some of our young players (as we are doing with Kane - use Tom Carroll, Alex Pritchard). Focus on British players where possible. Focus on playing good football, in the right way, and instilling that back into the club at every level. Get a manager who understands the game, what makes good football, can work with young players.

Stop buying whichever Carlos Kickaball is nearing the end of his contract who we can make a profit from. Stop buying and selling so many players full stop. Let the fans reconnect with the players in the team. Don't spend tens of millions on players untried in the PL - I was all for most of the signings made in the summer, especially Lamela and Soldado, but I've been proven very wrong. Ability is not the only factor in success, unfortunately. I'd rather go for the likes of Mirallas at Everton than another Lamela (though I doubt he would come to us, he's a good example).

If we're not going to challenge at the top (and we're not, for a long time), then I'd at least like to feel some passion and pride in Spurs again. Playing good football with players who are playing for the shirt, with a few English lads thrown in hopefully, is a good way to do that.

I'm ready for a storm of disagreement but I'm just saying what I'd like to see within the bounds of realism so I could enjoy supporting my club again.
 

Donki

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I think we can challenge for the top 4, I honestly do but we NEED THE RIGHT MANAGER and we need to stick with that manager for the forseeable future. We have had a clusterfuck of a season no doubt, turnmoil on the pitch, turmoil off it but having said all that we are 7 points off 4th and 11 off 3rd, them points could easily be had buy winning when we clearly should have won and not conceeding stupid goals that end up with us getting a point instead of 3.

Punching above are wieght? Yes indeed we are, and will continue to do so until we get the stadium.
 

SlickMongoose

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The only things I want us to aspire to these days are

1. Attacking, entertaining football
2. Promoting youth players
3. Players who actually want to play for the club.

Success would be nice too, but I see no point in worrying about that too much.
 

Donki

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The only things I want us to aspire to these days are

1. Attacking, entertaining football
2. Promoting youth players
3. Players who actually want to play for the club.

Success would be nice too, but I see no point in worrying about that too much.

People talk like these 2 things can't go hand in hand. IMO attacking football doesnt mean, 10 players on the pitch running forward to the opposition box. Attacking football should be quick, assertive and a clear idea of what each players role is, 3 things we havent shown this season. I cant recall a match we have went out of the blocks firing, mayb Chealsa this season but they are few and far between. We go out looking dissintrested and lacking in heart. Get a manager who can motivate and can give clear instruction, I dont need a guy who can retain the ball 60% of the time each game.

I am not saying we should hire him but Tony Pulis knows how to set a team up, he knows how to get his players to do what he wants and it works. I got flamed a little before for saying this but I think his Crystal Palace team do play some decent stuff. Again not saying we should hire him, but more that its possible to get a manager who can motivate and give clear concise instrustions.
 

Metalhead

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The Champions League was set up to provide financial security & stability for the elite clubs in Europe. AC Milan realised how much they lost in revenue when they did not qualify one year that they kicked the ball off. The top clubs needed little persuading given the revenue steams the completion generates.


We are not one of Europe's elite clubs. We never really have been. We've had our peaks & some fantastic years. But what is our club about? That’s where we are at the moment and, in my view, the key question we have to ask as we move forward.


Our recent qualification for the Champions League was fantastic. I had tears in my eyes & the hairs on the back of my neck stood up as I listened to that Champions League song being played at the Lane for our first game, evoking past memories of glory nights at the Lane-Anderlecht, Bayern Munich & not so glorious results but great, exciting evenings against Madrid & Barcelona from the 80s. Unbelievable memories created. And yet, unfortunately, unrealistic expectations.


Harry Redknapp did well but so much of football is about luck and timing. He had a perfect storm of under-performing, quality players with at least 2 of world class potential (Bale & Modric) with a manager who ‘set them free’ in a football manner from the tactical restraints imposed by Ramos (and he could speak English). We added to that another in VDV who in my view fitted that category, although it would seem that was more of the Chairman’s doing than Redknapp & was fortunate that we were in the right place when he was made available. He motivated the players. Got the best out of those 3.


How much of our reaching those dizzy heights was also due to City’s investment not quite kicking in & poor seasons from Chelsea (in the league), Liverpool & Arsenal? This season United have had a dramatic fall from grace yet replaced by Liverpool’s resurgence, the latter being a vindication of what happens if you keep world class player(s).


AVB was never a fit for the Club. He did not understand what Spurs is about. This is really the key point I seek to make. We must not make such a mistake again with the next managerial appointment.


Let’s get real. The Club has already stated they intend to build a new stadium which will require significant investment. The economy is not such that they will easily get favourable terms on the necessary borrowing that they may have got 7 or 8 years ago. This will mean a period of leanness in terms of spending power. We need that revenue to be able to compete in the medium and longer term. Today Liverpool have announced that they intend to increase Anfield’s capacity to just short of 60k, Chelsea soon the same.


My view is we have punched well above our weight since Martin Jol was in charge. It’s only Arsenal’s incompetence that has meant we are even in touch with them. They have paid their stadium off, sit on a fortune, have gate receipts over £1 million per game more than us & have had Champions League income of over £20million very year more than we have.


In Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Everton and ourselves there will be 7 teams chasing that coveted top-4 spot most years. All bar Everton have resources significantly exceeding those available to us.


Champions League qualification should be an aspiration when we have a team that is playing to that standard and capable of competing.


It feels like the soul has disappeared from the Club. That we are prepared to sell our grandmothers to qualify for the Champions League. We’re happy with one-null scraped victories or talk about dominating possession. We used to crucify Brendan Rogers last year when he made such comments after we’d beaten Liverpool yet AVB did that all the time! There’s too much statistical analysis of the game, OPTA indices, figures on how many times each player passed wind per half etc. Anyone can play 10 yard square-passes ‘Ray Wilkins’ style on the half way line & maintain possession.


Surely what matters is about trying to win the game. Trying to beat a man. The emphasis is on the word ‘trying’. Such is the critical atmosphere at the Lane some matches I do think the players are scared to take a chance for fear they may lose possession. Is that what we are about? Audere est Facere? Can you imagine Ardiles, Gascoigne, Hoddle, Waddle playing in such an atmosphere? These are the sorts of players that affect football matches by scoring or creating goals and chances.


In my view Sherwood is spot on what he says about the a calibre of our players. Too many are run of the mill. Lloris is a world class goalkeeper. Eriksen has potential. Vertonghen is capable if his heart is in it. The rest? You make your own minds up. Does anyone really believe Danny Rose & Kyle Naughton are credible Spurs full backs? Is Townsend more than a flash in the pan? We have squandered the fortune money received for Bale. Chadli-what does he do? (I’m not being critical I just don’t know-he has no pace, he can’t beat a man, he can’t tackle, he can’t pass & he can’t shoot-OK before you all say ‘he scored that goal at Newcastle’ let’s not forget so did Timothee Atouba); Paulinho-the game passes him by; Chiriches (ball-playing centre half prone to errors); Soldado (lovely touch but cannot hit a cow’s backside with a banjo-harsh I know but I think he will come good with the right service); Capoue (Sandro Junior); that other bloke that no-one’s see. Lamela has that potential. Let’s hope he is the player we hope he is. Otherwise we sold our most exciting attacking talent (arguably ever at the Club) and did not replace the things he brought-pace & goals.


In the rush for the Champions League qualification we’ve forgotten what we are about. That fantastic video narrated by Roger Lloyd-Pack. The point is we have to lick our wounds & rebuild. That will take some time & I do not want to watch a team trying to bore out 1-0 victories. We’ve always been inconsistent But with inconsistency comes great highs. You cant’ have the highs without the lows.


Reality is we will lose a number of players in the Summer & not be able to attract anyone in the top category. So we develop young players & blend them with more experienced campaigners.


Let’s be patient. Let’s invest in young players and let them learn (but not Rose or Naughton). Let’s buy pace (please) on the wings. How boring are inverted wingers? Let’s appoint a manager who will build for the medium term but with flair, excitement, creativity. Let’s pass the ball & take people on. A manager who will understand what the Club is about & have us play the Tottenham way. That should be the main criteria the Board apply.


And please, please, please…let’s score some more goals.


Controversial I know. I expect many will disagree. Just my thoughts & would love to hear yours.


PS I will be renewing my season ticket whatever!
I can't usually be arsed to read long articles but I really got into this one. I agree with everything you've said. You won't have garnered many fans by giving Sherwood any semblance of credit for talking some sense but your point about being realistic and reevaluating our expectations make sense.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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The only things I want us to aspire to these days are

1. Attacking, entertaining football
2. Promoting youth players
3. Players who actually want to play for the club.

Success would be nice too, but I see no point in worrying about that too much.
Yes but if the club can get those 3 points right then why can't we be successful long term?
 

EJWTartanSpur

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Jan 29, 2011
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The second you release the Top Four monkey off of your own back, then the pressure is released and enjoying football again becomes easier. I did this at the end of last season when the scars of Chelsea winning the CL and us collapsing twice to Arsenal had all occurred and I realised that we are facing an almost impossible uphill struggle against finances that we cannot compete with ( plus we blew some narrow windows to push on ). Once you admit and accept this, everything is a lot more enjoyable, and also less sore when we fall short and finish a very respectable 5th. Then maybe, we will get a nice surprise along the way if we do fight all the odds and qualify for the CL at some point

Good earlier posts on this
 

Bobbins

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People talk like these 2 things can't go hand in hand. IMO attacking football doesnt mean, 10 players on the pitch running forward to the opposition box. Attacking football should be quick, assertive and a clear idea of what each players role is, 3 things we havent shown this season. I cant recall a match we have went out of the blocks firing, mayb Chealsa this season but they are few and far between. We go out looking dissintrested and lacking in heart. Get a manager who can motivate and can give clear instruction, I dont need a guy who can retain the ball 60% of the time each game.

Yes but if the club can get those 3 points right then why can't we be successful long term?

I don't think he's saying we can't have success and those three things - only that it's likely that we won't. And those things are more important now.

Our future success isn't going to be influenced by the way we play or how connected we are to the team - it's going to be dictated by what the 5 teams above us decide to do. Without them slipping up or an owner selling up we won't be able to break into that group. That chance went with Liverpool over the last 5 years and United this season.

We'll go back to being a good cup side - which I would love. This endless CL grind has whittled away at my ability to actually enjoy football anymore. I'd much rather we won a couple of cups over the next 10 years than spent it failing to achieve CL football at the expense of everything else, as we have done for the last 5 years.
 

jambreck

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The Champions League was set up to provide financial security & stability for the elite clubs in Europe. AC Milan realised how much they lost in revenue when they did not qualify one year that they kicked the ball off. The top clubs needed little persuading given the revenue steams the completion generates.

We are not one of Europe's elite clubs. We never really have been. We've had our peaks & some fantastic years. But what is our club about? That’s where we are at the moment and, in my view, the key question we have to ask as we move forward.

Our recent qualification for the Champions League was fantastic. I had tears in my eyes & the hairs on the back of my neck stood up as I listened to that Champions League song being played at the Lane for our first game, evoking past memories of glory nights at the Lane-Anderlecht, Bayern Munich & not so glorious results but great, exciting evenings against Madrid & Barcelona from the 80s. Unbelievable memories created. And yet, unfortunately, unrealistic expectations.

I'd dispute that. We were certainly one of Europe's elite clubs in the first half of the 1960's. Probably beyond that, too. Through to the mid 1980's, in fact, since we had an outstanding European record and would have been feared by pretty much any opponent. Before Heysel, there were fewer than 10 clubs that had won more European trophies than Spurs. And this, back in the day when the UEFA Cup was considered to be as great a challenge as the European Cup - even if it lacked the cachet.

The whole notion of elite European clubs didn't exist until after the advent of the European Cup in the mid 1950's. And it's only really over the past 10-15 years that the list has been somewhat crystallised by the advent of the Champions League and the marginalization of the UEFA Cup / Europa League. Even so, there is still room for well run or newly wealthy clubs to gatecrash the party.

How much of our reaching those dizzy heights was also due to City’s investment not quite kicking in & poor seasons from Chelsea (in the league), Liverpool & Arsenal? This season United have had a dramatic fall from grace yet replaced by Liverpool’s resurgence, the latter being a vindication of what happens if you keep world class player(s).

No.

Please.

Let's not go there!

Let’s get real. The Club has already stated they intend to build a new stadium which will require significant investment. The economy is not such that they will easily get favourable terms on the necessary borrowing that they may have got 7 or 8 years ago. This will mean a period of leanness in terms of spending power. We need that revenue to be able to compete in the medium and longer term. Today Liverpool have announced that they intend to increase Anfield’s capacity to just short of 60k, Chelsea soon the same.

Not sure how or why you've come to that conclusion. Borrowing has never been cheaper. And Spurs are a safer bet for lenders now than Arsenal were when they borrowed to fund their stadium. Our revenues are already £70m higher than Arsenal's were back in 2004, yet we'll be borrowing a similar amount. Lenders now also have precedent to reassure them. When Arsenal borrowed to build their stadium, no English club had ever before undertaken such an ambitious capital project. They set the precedent. Consequently, the financial success of Emirates stadium will, strangely, help us. Lastly, the banks will also know that Daniel Levy is as financially prudent as they come - not to mention that Joe Lewis' name lends weight and security to any loan arrangements.

Of course there will be interest and repayments to consider. But that doesn't mean that we are in for lean times. Once the stadium is built and earning for us, it is likely that our income will be pushing - and possibly beyond - £300m per annum. More than twice what it was last year. So there will be ample scope to service and pay off the debt while investing a competitive level in players (transfer fees and wages).

My view is we have punched well above our weight since Martin Jol was in charge. It’s only Arsenal’s incompetence that has meant we are even in touch with them. They have paid their stadium off, sit on a fortune, have gate receipts over £1 million per game more than us & have had Champions League income of over £20million very year more than we have.

In Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Everton and ourselves there will be 7 teams chasing that coveted top-4 spot most years. All bar Everton have resources significantly exceeding those available to us.

Champions League qualification should be an aspiration when we have a team that is playing to that standard and capable of competing.

All true. But not insurmountable if we have the right manager. Especially if, as it currently promises, the academy starts to produce in a big way.

It feels like the soul has disappeared from the Club. That we are prepared to sell our grandmothers to qualify for the Champions League. We’re happy with one-null scraped victories or talk about dominating possession. We used to crucify Brendan Rogers last year when he made such comments after we’d beaten Liverpool yet AVB did that all the time! There’s too much statistical analysis of the game, OPTA indices, figures on how many times each player passed wind per half etc. Anyone can play 10 yard square-passes ‘Ray Wilkins’ style on the half way line & maintain possession.

Surely what matters is about trying to win the game. Trying to beat a man. The emphasis is on the word ‘trying’. Such is the critical atmosphere at the Lane some matches I do think the players are scared to take a chance for fear they may lose possession. Is that what we are about? Audere est Facere? Can you imagine Ardiles, Gascoigne, Hoddle, Waddle playing in such an atmosphere? These are the sorts of players that affect football matches by scoring or creating goals and chances.

Absolutely. One of the biggest challenges the club faces is changing the attitude and behaviour of the supporters. Partly, that will come with better performances and less divisive managers. But there needs to be more too. Supporters need to be made aware of the effect - positive and negative - that they can have on the team and on the club as a whole.

In my view Sherwood is spot on what he says about the a calibre of our players. Too many are run of the mill. Lloris is a world class goalkeeper. Eriksen has potential. Vertonghen is capable if his heart is in it. The rest? You make your own minds up. Does anyone really believe Danny Rose & Kyle Naughton are credible Spurs full backs? Is Townsend more than a flash in the pan? We have squandered the fortune money received for Bale. Chadli-what does he do? (I’m not being critical I just don’t know-he has no pace, he can’t beat a man, he can’t tackle, he can’t pass & he can’t shoot-OK before you all say ‘he scored that goal at Newcastle’ let’s not forget so did Timothee Atouba); Paulinho-the game passes him by; Chiriches (ball-playing centre half prone to errors); Soldado (lovely touch but cannot hit a cow’s backside with a banjo-harsh I know but I think he will come good with the right service); Capoue (Sandro Junior); that other bloke that no-one’s see. Lamela has that potential. Let’s hope he is the player we hope he is. Otherwise we sold our most exciting attacking talent (arguably ever at the Club) and did not replace the things he brought-pace & goals.

I suspect we'll see far better from all the new players next season and far better from the team as a whole if we can appoint the right manager.
 
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Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
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I don't think he's saying we can't have success and those three things - only that it's likely that we won't. And those things are more important now.

Our future success isn't going to be influenced by the way we play or how connected we are to the team - it's going to be dictated by what the 5 teams above us decide to do. Without them slipping up or an owner selling up we won't be able to break into that group. That chance went with Liverpool over the last 5 years and United this season.

We'll go back to being a good cup side - which I would love. This endless CL grind has whittled away at my ability to actually enjoy football anymore. I'd much rather we won a couple of cups over the next 10 years than spent it failing to achieve CL football at the expense of everything else, as we have done for the last 5 years.
I know. The trouble is that the CL is now the benchmark for many fans.
 

SlickMongoose

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The only things I want us to aspire to these days are

1. Attacking, entertaining football
2. Promoting youth players
3. Players who actually want to play for the club.

Success would be nice too, but I see no point in worrying about that too much.

Yes but if the club can get those 3 points right then why can't we be successful long term?

I don't think he's saying we can't have success and those three things - only that it's likely that we won't. And those things are more important now.

My point isn't that we can't be successful with these things. Only that we should worry about the things we can have control over, and that promoting a certain style will be good for the club. And I think that if we get those things right we will become successful.

But worrying too much about short-term success might be detrimental to actually acheiving it - Just an endless series of sacked managers playing wildly varied styles, and a consistently high player turnover.

Because between:

- Players who we get rid of because they aren't good enough for instant success
- Players who see us as a stepping stone
- Youth players who leave because we buy a load of new players every year

Where are the players who will actually stick around, apart from those too injury prone to sell?
 
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Mullers

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I've said variations on a theme in a series of threads in the last few days, and can't be bothered to write everything all over again.

Suffice to say:

This is the end of an era. There won't be anymore challenging for the CL places for at least a few years. There's no more Modric, VDV, Bale or King and no-one coming along to replace them either. LVG was our last hope of clinging on to the top 4 fight and making a final attempt to break into the group for good. That's very probably gone now.

We should go back to the Jol/Arnesen days. Back when it became exciting to see Spurs on the up after years in the doldrums. Bring through some of our young players (as we are doing with Kane - use Tom Carroll, Alex Pritchard). Focus on British players where possible. Focus on playing good football, in the right way, and instilling that back into the club at every level. Get a manager who understands the game, what makes good football, can work with young players.

Stop buying whichever Carlos Kickaball is nearing the end of his contract who we can make a profit from. Stop buying and selling so many players full stop. Let the fans reconnect with the players in the team. Don't spend tens of millions on players untried in the PL - I was all for most of the signings made in the summer, especially Lamela and Soldado, but I've been proven very wrong. Ability is not the only factor in success, unfortunately. I'd rather go for the likes of Mirallas at Everton than another Lamela (though I doubt he would come to us, he's a good example).

If we're not going to challenge at the top (and we're not, for a long time), then I'd at least like to feel some passion and pride in Spurs again. Playing good football with players who are playing for the shirt, with a few English lads thrown in hopefully, is a good way to do that.

I'm ready for a storm of disagreement but I'm just saying what I'd like to see within the bounds of realism so I could enjoy supporting my club again.
Lamela has been injured/wasn't played a lot. Young guy a bit early to write him off.
Eriksen, worth signing only 12 million.
Paulinho, popped up with good performances here and there but nothing special. Not necessary to buy him in my view.
Soldado is a class player but of course is form is disappointing, personal issues i.e losing his baby is a contributing factor. I know people are going to say look at Defoe and I will say people handle grief better than others. I'd give him another season to prove himself. Ade was written off last season.
Capoue for me is a good signing at 10 million, I don't relish the thought of Sherwood bringing back Livermore and getting rid of Capoue if he stays.
Chadil disappointing season from him but again has been injured or not been played. Could we have used Pritchard instead? Possibly
Chriches, well I was happy enough with Caulker but Caulker wanted regular first team football so fair to sell him.

When you talk about Carlos kickaball coming to the end of their contract that we can earn a profit from, which players do you have in mind? I agree with trying to bring young players through but I'm not particularly fussed if we get British players, just players who are good enough and want to play for spurs.
 

Kiedis

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If people doesn't know what Chadli do, their opinion is of no value.

There, that's me being ****. It happens.
 

Gb160

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I know. The trouble is that the CL is now the benchmark for many fans.
Sky have been ramming their "Top 4 or nothing" bullshit down peoples throats now for quite a long time.
For a lot of younger fans this is all they know.
 

lukadownthelane

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I know. The trouble is that the CL is now the benchmark for many fans.
This is because it has become the benchmark for the best players. We wouldn't get linekar and gazza at spurs these days because the players mentality is change (for the worse). The players care only for money and fame and they need champions league for it.

Football has become toxic and a reflection of the worst selfish attitudes people have these days.

I live tottenham but football as a sport is pretty abhorrent.
 
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