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Bus-Conductor

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Well, despite things going badly, the majority of the players have shown some promise. I can imagine Lamela, Soldado or Eriksen finding some form - whilst it seemed unlikely under Villas Boas (and I guess ultimately that was borne out.)

I would say there are two problems with what we're doing. The Attacking midfield three are working in such a way that we're frequently playing 4-2-4, which leaves us wildly open when we lose possession. People are underestimating how much of an effect this has. Against Villa we started superbly, Soldado was looking lively etc. but then when they got the ball they were able to carve us open and create great chances. This killed our verve.

This openness is compounded by the lack of solidity in defence. Which is understandable to a degree since we have some injuries and new/young players. However it's also about some wonky team selection.

There are a lot of possible solutions. We could play Stambouli instead of Capoue or Mason. We could play Vertonghen in every league match. .

If you'd have stopped here, iI could have simply "winner'd" this post (and that probably would have been the first time ever in all our mutual SC co existence - which to be fair, may have worried you more than pleased you as we rarely seem to see eye to eye)

Good appraisal.


But then you blotted your tactical copy book with:

and have someone like Lennon help tighten us up.

I don't entirely agree with this bit either:

Under Villas Boas we were playing with redundant extra central midfielders who just served to clog up the pitch and slow down our play (I don't think this plodding build up was by design). Now we have the opposite problem but at least we look like we can score goals. At times we're able to break as effectively as under Redknapp and we can pass the ball around nicely.

I don't think we ever had an extra central midfielder, AVB pretty religiously stuck to the same 4231 mantra as Pochettino.
But you are right about the plodding football not being deliberate. We replaced Modric (clever, quick thinking, quick ball moving) with Dembele (not so clever, slow thinking, slow ball moving), VDV (quick brain) with Dempsey (Slow brain). Hardly surprising things slowed down.

I don't think we are doing much tactically to improve that under Pochettino at the moment. I don't think the tempo of our play has improved much under him so far. I hope it does.

I think people forget how rarely we did anything 'good' under Villas Boas.

I think the problem is football is very tactically multi faceted, but people only call the glory moments "good". By and large under AVB we defended "good" if you take out the hammerings to two teams who hammered others. We were organised off the ball "good", we were more coherently "good", more cohesively "good" with and without the ball and we were generally less frail, despite having equally poor or even worse defenders. We starved the opposition of the ball "good" usually. We starved the opposition of chances "good" most of the time. And best of all, despite the major team upheaval and loss of every top quality player we gathered points "good".

I think, as you partially allude to, Pochettino is struggling to balance off this desire to play a more expensive game with defensive efficiency, just as AVB struggled to guild a more defensively efficient strategy (including keeping and looking after the ball) with creativity.

Over the course of one and half seasons, AVB lost two players who were worth 20-30 goals/assist combo each, three if you include Adebayor's who only appeared in body but not spirit. Still got us to fifth and sitting 6th 4/5 points of 4th the halfway through the next season.

Personally, I think AVB's strategy was a better foundation on which to build than trying to do it the other way round. Get the boring basics in place, get people understand a general collective work ethos as basics, then guild it.

This is how Mourinho seems to operate for example. First season he gets everyone understanding what they must do when the opposition have the ball, even the likes of Hazard. No player is exempt from the "team first" ethos. If you are a liability in any way you are shipped out (Mata, Luiz, etc) sometimes for less (so called) flair/talented players. It's just that he's always doing it from a better talent pool.
 

JerryGarcia

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I can't see AVB licking the Liverpool fan's arses on demand like all their other managers have been more than willing to do. He's also too emotionless to come out with poetic babble in the press although it would be funny to see the army of scouse pundits start hyping him up after they've slated him for years.
 

VegasII

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I can't see AVB licking the Liverpool fan's arses on demand like all their other managers have been more than willing to do. He's also too emotionless to come out with poetic babble in the press although it would be funny to see the army of scouse pundits start hyping him up after they've slated him for years.

Lol. "Ugggggggghhhh Bill Shankley Ugghgggggggghhh Kenny Dogleash Ugggggghhhhhhh Terry Mac moustache Uggghhhhhhh John Barnes Uggggghhhh Kevin Keegan perm job Ugggggghhhh Pass and move it's the uggggggggghhh Liverpool groove."

"Uggghhhhh Immense dimensions Uggghhhh Carragher own goals Uggghhhh..."

"Uggggggghhhhh"

To be fair, AVB's Ugggghhhs aren't too far removed from most Liverpool pundit's 'erhhhhhhhhhs'

Together they would make symphonic nonsense music like Close Encounters of the Third Kind. No doubt it would still translate to some kind of penalty appeal whinging.
 

Spurs_Bear

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Cannot imagine a worse managerial/club combination than AVB and Liverpool. Wouldn't wish that on him. And vice versa.
 

JerryGarcia

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Lol. "Ugggggggghhhh Bill Shankley Ugghgggggggghhh Kenny Dogleash Ugggggghhhhhhh Terry Mac moustache Uggghhhhhhh John Barnes Uggggghhhh Kevin Keegan perm job Ugggggghhhh Pass and move it's the uggggggggghhh Liverpool groove."

"Uggghhhhh Immense dimensions Uggghhhh Carragher own goals Uggghhhh..."

"Uggggggghhhhh"

To be fair, AVB's Ugggghhhs aren't too far removed from most Liverpool pundit's 'erhhhhhhhhhs'

Together they would make symphonic nonsense music like Close Encounters of the Third Kind. No doubt it would still translate to some kind of penalty appeal whinging.



:LOL::LOL::LOL:

I'll never be able to watch that scene again without pissing myself with laughter. "Ehh, ehh, ehh, ehh, ehhhhh"
 

jonathanhotspur

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Lol. "Ugggggggghhhh Bill Shankley Ugghgggggggghhh Kenny Dogleash Ugggggghhhhhhh Terry Mac moustache Uggghhhhhhh John Barnes Uggggghhhh Kevin Keegan perm job Ugggggghhhh Pass and move it's the uggggggggghhh Liverpool groove."

"Uggghhhhh Immense dimensions Uggghhhh Carragher own goals Uggghhhh..."

"Uggggggghhhhh"

To be fair, AVB's Ugggghhhs aren't too far removed from most Liverpool pundit's 'erhhhhhhhhhs'

Together they would make symphonic nonsense music like Close Encounters of the Third Kind. No doubt it would still translate to some kind of penalty appeal whinging.
My sides were shaking by the time I got as far as "Terry Mac moustache".

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JerryGarcia

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Oh god now I keep thinking of Brendan Rodgers making a mountain on his plate out of potatoes while his family give him strange looks.
 

StartingPrice

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Lol. "Ugggggggghhhh Bill Shankley Ugghgggggggghhh Kenny Dogleash Ugggggghhhhhhh Terry Mac moustache Uggghhhhhhh John Barnes Uggggghhhh Kevin Keegan perm job Ugggggghhhh Pass and move it's the uggggggggghhh Liverpool groove." "Uggghhhhh Immense dimensions Uggghhhh Carragher own goals Uggghhhh..." "Uggggggghhhhh" To be fair, AVB's Ugggghhhs aren't too far removed from most Liverpool pundit's 'erhhhhhhhhhs'

Together they would make symphonic nonsense music like Close Encounters of the Turd Kind. No doubt it would still translate to some kind of penalty appeal whinging.

FYP (y)
 
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Shea

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Failing to get out of that group with the resources at zenits disposal is quite a failure in my opinion but the prospect of him returning to the lane so soon in the Europa is an exciting one as far as football stories go
 

slartibartfast

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Failing to get out of that group with the resources at zenits disposal is quite a failure in my opinion but the prospect of him returning to the lane so soon in the Europa is an exciting one as far as football stories go
Whilst dropping off dogs urine sample at the vets (dont ask) I had TS on and Durham was taking the piss (sorry) big time saying what a failure it was.. to the tune of Mr Benn. Funny as fook.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF0qLIyDaGI
 
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Gbspurs

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The bit about scoring a goal and then the defenders start hoofing the ball sounds familiar.
 
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