AVB, Emmanuel Adebayor and Steffen Freund

[hughy]

On the other hand AVB did get the best out of Bale and Redknapp didn't.


There will always be shit like this going on. Freund wasn't AVB's choice. He might be a jolly german but it doesn't mean he was compatible with AVB who perhaps didn't want him chipping in his teutonic two bobs worth every 5 minutes. Freund seemed likeable but I always thought he was a bit of prick

This is business/work and football especially. It's full of big egos, high pressure and it isn't always going to be one big chillaxed suck off fest.

Look at what Ferguson has been through, coaches replaced, world class players fucked off because they pissed him off and he even sued the people that gave him a world class race horse.

This stuff coming out now is fucking predictable and tedious (someone even said yesterday it would start to trickle out as the club's PR gets into the groove).

In fairness when Redknapp was there we also had Modric and VDV, so it wouldn't have been nearly as easy for Bale to have the free-role he occupied for much of last season.

 

[jonnyp]

On the other hand AVB did get the best out of Bale and Redknapp didn't.


There will always be shit like this going on. Freund wasn't AVB's choice. He might be a jolly german but it doesn't mean he was compatible with AVB who perhaps didn't want him chipping in his teutonic two bobs worth every 5 minutes. Freund seemed likeable but I always thought he was a bit of prick

This is business/work and football especially. It's full of big egos, high pressure and it isn't always going to be one big chillaxed suck off fest.

Look at what Ferguson has been through, coaches replaced, world class players fucked off because they pissed him off and he even sued the people that gave him a world class race horse.

This stuff coming out now is fucking predictable and tedious (someone even said yesterday it would start to trickle out as the club's PR gets into the groove).

Well, that may be true to some extent but we sold Modric and VdV that summer so Bale had to be our talisman and everything had to go through him after that.

I don't think it would've made much difference to Bale's progress if Redknapp was in charge. It was natural that Bale would have to take on more responsibility, except we might have actually played with higher tempo and better movement in addition to relying heavily on Bale if Harry was in charge.

My point really is that Redknapp seems far more adept at handling people with different/more difficult personalities. It's no surprise to me that Redknapp managed to get Ade to play well consistently and that AVB and Mancini didn't.

Again, Ferguson's situation was a wee bit different to our managers'. It's not really a fair comparison. He could afford to lose a world class player because he had several at any given time and great squad depth, not to mention he could attract world class players in any given transfer window. We don't have that luxury where the manager can fuck off two of our better players for a whole season because they turn up late for a training session or a team breakfast. Feck knows we could've used both Ade and BAE this season, especially BAE.

 

[Jamturk]

On the other hand AVB did get the best out of Bale and Redknapp didn't.


There will always be shit like this going on. Freund wasn't AVB's choice. He might be a jolly german but it doesn't mean he was compatible with AVB who perhaps didn't want him chipping in his teutonic two bobs worth every 5 minutes. Freund seemed likeable but I always thought he was a bit of prick

This is business/work and football especially. It's full of big egos, high pressure and it isn't always going to be one big chillaxed suck off fest.

Look at what Ferguson has been through, coaches replaced, world class players fucked off because they pissed him off and he even sued the people that gave him a world class race horse.

This stuff coming out now is fucking predictable and tedious (someone even said yesterday it would start to trickle out as the club's PR gets into the groove).

Sorry, can't accept that. Redknapp was the 1 who changed Bales position what happened last season was natural development IMO.

Also who has AvB got the best out of this season?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Well, that may be true to some extent but we sold Modric and VdV that summer so Bale had to be our talisman and everything had to go through him after that.

I don't think it would've made much difference to Bale's progress if Redknapp was in charge. It was natural that Bale would have to take on more responsibility, except we might have actually played with higher tempo and better movement in addition to relying heavily on Bale if Harry was in charge.

My point really is that Redknapp seems far more adept at handling people with different/more difficult personalities. It's no surprise to me that Redknapp managed to get Ade to play well consistently and that AVB and Mancini didn't.

Again, Ferguson's situation was a wee bit different to our managers'. It's not really a fair comparison. He could afford to lose a world class player because he had several at any given time and great squad depth, not to mention he could attract world class players in any given transfer window. We don't have that luxury where the manager can fuck off two of our better players for a whole season because they turn up late for a training session or a team breakfast. Feck knows we could've used both Ade and BAE this season, especially BAE.

Except all the evidence suggests Redknapp would have continued to play as a left winger, which would not have seen him become the wide forward type he became.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Sorry, can't accept that. Redknapp was the 1 who changed Bales position what happened last season was natural development IMO.

Also who has AvB got the best out of this season?

He's got the team winning more games than any other manager for over a hundred years. Maybe that is the biggest difference between them. One is team centric, one more individual orientated.

And Redknapp played Bale as a wide forward twice, and quickly reverted to playing him as a left winger. Because "they" told him we were better that way.

 

[Kendall]

He's got the team winning more games than any other manager for over a hundred years. Maybe that is the biggest difference between them. One is team centric, one more individual orientated.

And Redknapp played Bale as a wide forward twice, and quickly reverted to playing him as a left winger. Because "they" told him we were better that way.

One is penalty-centric and thrashing centric you mean.

 

[punkisback]

Sorry, can't accept that. Redknapp was the 1 who changed Bales position what happened last season was natural development IMO.

Also who has AvB got the best out of this season?

Bale played LW for us under Jol, it's only Redknapp and Ramos who moved him back to LB to replace BAE before putting him further upfield again. Harry experimented with him in at free role, but never quite got it working. However under AVB he flourished.

 

[Ribble]

Except all the evidence suggests Redknapp would have continued to play as a left winger, which would not have seen him become the wide forward type he became.

Also the when Bale was drifting from the left under Redknapp at the end of the last season his return was utter garbage.

 

[Spurz]

Bale is back playing LW at RM and is even better than he ever was with us. So maybe AVB restricted his development? All BS of course! He was just getting better as he matures and is still getting better...

 

[jonnyp]

Except all the evidence suggests Redknapp would have continued to play as a left winger, which would not have seen him become the wide forward type he became.

Well I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[worcestersauce]

perhaps we should let Bale have the last word on it and he said AVB.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

Just as an aside, if you look at all of BAE's tweets it clearly shows he still loves Spurs, watches games and hangs out with the players..

whoever the new manager is please bring Benny's lol back to WHL...

 

[eddiebailey]

Look at what Ferguson has been through, coaches replaced, world class players fucked off because they pissed him off and he even sued the people that gave him a world class race horse.

Fergusson made enemies, he did not collect them. Most people he has worked with speak highly of him; always had the human touch.

 

[sweetness]

For me , it was always a problem that AVB is so young . He needs a few more years of life experience before he can motivate millionaire footballers just a few years younger than himself . Man management is one of his glaring problems imo .Not sure the man can lead yet . This is the Fail so pinch of salt needed of course.

How ever you paint it AVB has not emerged from this blameless . We'd all noticed Freund moving back and the different atmosphere on the bench . The 'AVB wanted to leave' stuff which we see a bit now is pretty pathetic 'fraid . If it is true then sorry , only response I can make is....wuss .

Been behaving like a callow youth it seems . As the OP said its all a bit sad .

Maturity doesn't necessarily come with age. More important, is the ability to reflect on the actions of yourself and others. AVB clearly lacks this.

What I see is this:
AVB communicates his ideas and acts as if black-and-white clarity is more important than the worth of the ideas themselves. Failing, he then makes changes in a reactive manner up until such a point where he can redo what previously failed (compare season two at Spurs to his time at Chelsea). Rinse-and-repeat trial-and-error without reflection. This happens because to him the aim is the starting point - his ideas. They never change, only the timing does.

Notice how at the beginning of the season two he starts acting similarly to the way that got him kicked out of Chelsea. Alienating players, and down-cutting people that are obstacles to his plans. Probably because he now considers himself to be in a strong enough position to do so. Not considering what he shouldn't be doing. He stopped acting pragmatically after season one - imho his main saving grace. Admittedly, as someone preferring style over substance, I've wanted to get rid of him since last season! What I really liked about him though was his willingness to rotate the squad (see MON).

That got a wee bit longer than expected...

 

[spurs-r-us]

Except all the evidence suggests Redknapp would have continued to play as a left winger, which would not have seen him become the wide forward type he became.

"He plays on the left, Gareth Bale, he plays on the left".

Short memories!