Avb on talksport tonight....

[Spurger King]

I have no issue with that at all, it's when the project is a way of buying yourself time which I think is a way some managers talk.

I think AVB's 'project' was to turn us into a more expensive version of Moyes-era Everton. Solid, tough to beat, but ultimately a bit blah and 6th placey.

 

[whitelanefever]

Oh please...

Oh please what? Would you care to clarify?.. if you buy into that wishy-washy bs then that's your perogative to do so.. me I'll be no fool to buy such distant horizon nirvana without seing proof & that can only be judged by what you see on the pitch in the present.
football clubs hire managers, building contractors hire project managers.. there's a difference.

 

[dk-yid]

I have no issue with that at all, it's when the project is a way of buying yourself time which I think is a way some managers talk.

That I cannot disagree with.

 

[dk-yid]

Oh please what? Would you care to clarify?.. if you buy into that wishy-washy bs then that's your perogative to do so.. me I'll be no fool to buy such distant horizon nirvana without seing proof & that can only be judged by what you see on the pitch in the present.
football clubs hire managers, building contractors hire project managers.. there's a difference.

No - that is also my prerogative. Just like it is yours to play football manager.. . Something which I assume you do a lot of.

 

[whitelanefever]

Dk Listen here if your not willing to reply like an adult & instead use childish remarks about computer games..let me tell you I don't even have a computer console.. so your so far off the mark there & is a stupid response because you can't stand people speaking the truth about your precious Andre.. Project me Arse.. Cop on & grow up

 

[ralvy]

I hate that word project it's absolute bullcrap, football is not about projects it's about winning not in 3yrs time, it's about getting the squad you have to perform to their best in the now.
If Andre wanted a project he should of done up a classic car or renovated an old house.
Projects in football is nonsense spouted by spoofer managers/coaches

Yeah, but its not like we weren't getting any points under AVB either. Please tell me, what's so wrong about building a long term project if in the mean time you're also making sure to scrap just about enough points to fight for the top places (as we clearly were under AVB)? You are making it seem as if we were stuck in 15 place or something and AVB just wouldn't shut up about his project and asking for more time. You need to stick to the facts if you're going to make this sort of arguments.

Yes, its true that we suffered three awful humiliations this season, and yet we still were (and are) on the fight for top 4. Arsenal were in that situation two years ago (getting that 8-2 rape at OT, 10 points away from top 4, being unable to beat any of the top teams), but the difference is they had the guts to stand by their manager, and we just have to look were they are now to see that it was the right thing to do. I can't believe Im about to say this, but I wish we could be more like them in that aspect.

 

[Metalhead]

Unfortunately I believe THFC are in a vicious cycle when in comes to Head Coach/Manager appointments-we seem to trigger happy, as soon as we experience a patch of poor results its off with your head! only for us to start again. You can already sense the boo boy waiting in the wings for Sherwood to have a blip. I believe all successful managers that stay for a test of time(not saying thats the only blueprint way to success) must be allowed to experience a rocky patch within reason and be supported by club and fans, one would think the benefit from any such blip vast experience will be gathered and hopeful enable better decision for any manager in the future.

Newcastle under Padew will be one of the clubs to watch over the next couple of season, it will be interesting to see Newcastle develop having backed Padew- who has been allowed to manage even with the varying league positons.

It certainly didn't feel like Newcastle were backing Pardew for a while with the Kinnear appointment.

 

[Metalhead]

I hate that word project it's absolute bullcrap, football is not about projects it's about winning not in 3yrs time, it's about getting the squad you have to perform to their best in the now.
If Andre wanted a project he should of done up a classic car or renovated an old house.
Projects in football is nonsense spouted by spoofer managers/coaches

It's just something we have adopted from European football because it sounds trendy and modern.

 

[Oshi]

I think AVB's 'project' was to turn us into a more expensive version of Moyes-era Everton. Solid, tough to beat, but ultimately a bit blah and 6th placey.

Bit like Moyes at Utd.

 

[whitelanefever]

Yeah, but its not like we weren't getting any points under AVB either. Please tell me, what's so wrong about building a long term project if in the mean time you're also making sure to scrap just about enough points to fight for the top places (as we clearly were under AVB)? You are making it seem as if we were stuck in 15 place or something and AVB just wouldn't shut up about his project and asking for more time. You need to stick to the facts if you're going to make this sort of arguments.

Yes, its true that we suffered three awful humiliations this season, and yet we still were (and are) on the fight for top 4. Arsenal were in that situation two years ago (getting that 8-2 rape at OT, 10 points away from top 4, being unable to beat any of the top teams), but the difference is they had the guts to stand by their manager, and we just have to look were they are now to see that it was the right thing to do. I can't believe Im about to say this, but I wish we could be more like them in that aspect.

Ralvy what I was saying had nothing to do with points it's to do with this whole project term that people have been hoodwinked into, my point is football is not a project.. we finished fourth, fifth, fourth before Andre arrived, now excuse me if i'm wrong but was'nt he hired to improve the team.. Now we were hardly a championship club where the chairman has appointed a manager & said our Longterm goal(not project) is promotion.. no we already were a top 4 side & we went backwards we finished 5th & don't hide behind highest points total malarky.. you just have to look at teams that went down & see the relevance that it was an extremely week lg last yr, the bottom line is we finished a place lower than season b4 & had dropped to seven'th again Andre left, couple that with the performances we were putting in, he failed to achieve what he was hired to do & that was to improve the team.
It seems to be some new cool thing this project phrase that people have clung to but you know what I've never heard any manager worth his salt use it & you know why because it's nonsense

 

[ralvy]

Ralvy what I was saying had nothing to do with points it's to do with this whole project term that people have been hoodwinked into,

But you said, and I quote, "I hate that word project it's absolute bullcrap, football is not about projects it's about winning ". Talking about winning is the same thing as talking about points, given that points are a reflection of a team's ability to win football games.

my point is football is not a project.. we finished fourth, fifth, fourth before Andre arrived, now excuse me if i'm wrong but was'nt he hired to improve the team.. Now we were hardly a championship club where the chairman has appointed a manager & said our Longterm goal(not project) is promotion.. no we already were a top 4 side & we went backwards we finished 5th & don't hide behind highest points total malarky..

At the moment we were left without Modriç and VdV we stopped being that top four side you're talking about. Its not that AVB took us backwards by having us finish one position lower, is that the quality of the team simply went down as a result of losing those two. In fact, there were lots of us that were quite happy and surprised we were able to finish so high last season with such lack of talent.

It seems to be some new cool thing this project phrase that people have clung to but you know what I've never heard any manager worth his salt use it & you know why because it's nonsense

A project is just the strategic planning in which people go about reaching their objectives, there's nothing fancy or cool about it. How the fuck do you expect to reach your long term goals without envisioning a way to do so? What, do you expect us to become a top European team without first planning a way to do so? Do you think that's something that just happens overnight?

Im sorry to break it to you, but professional football is all about projects. And if you never show enough patience to see one of them come full circle, then your football team will never be able to evolve.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

But you said, and I quote, "I hate that word project it's absolute bullcrap, football is not about projects it's about winning ". Talking about winning is the same thing as talking about points, given that points are a reflection of a team's ability to win football games.



At the moment we were left without Modriç and VdV we stopped being that top four side you're talking about. Its not that AVB took us backwards by having us finish one position lower, is that the quality of the team simply went down as a result of losing those two. In fact, there were lots of us that were quite happy and surprised we were able to finish so high last season with such lack of talent.



A project is just the strategic planning in which people go about reaching their objectives, there's nothing fancy or cool about it. How the fuck do you expect to reach your long term goals without envisioning a way to do so? What, do you expect us to become a top European team without first planning a way to do so? Do you think that's something that just happens overnight?

Im sorry to break it to you, but professional football is all about projects. And if you never show enough patience to see one of them come full circle, then your football team will never be able to evolve.

Well written but inaccurate. Players came into the side of more than/at least top 4 quality in Vertonghen and Lloris and it was the coach's decision to pack off VdV. Plus with Bale's continued natural development we were still there or thereabouts.

Who was the last 'project' to be successful?

 

[Adam456]

And that's precisely the reason why, as much as it hurts to hear, we will simply be unable to match Arsenal in the foreseeable future. They simply have been the smartest club of the two, and until we stop interrupting solid football projects each time they hit a rough patch, we will keep seeing them from bellow the table at the end of each season.

Easy to say when your manager wins the double in your first season of your project

 

[tototoner]

Villas-Boas was the 1st part of Levy's 3rd attempt at a 5 year project

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

Bit like Moyes at Utd.

Waheeyy!

What makes this comment better is the headlines about Moyes still claiming they can win the title.

To be fair to Moyes, he didn't say when they would win it....

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Fucks me off when managers talk about a lack of stability at clubs and point to Wenger as an example.

What they fail to admit is that wenger won the effing double in his second season. Avb was getting thumped by pool, city and even bloody spam leaving us in 7th with a poverty goal difference.

It's all well and good to give a manager time, but he has to earn that time, with success.

Like David Moyes

 

[Oshi]

Well written but inaccurate. Players came into the side of more than/at least top 4 quality in Vertonghen and Lloris and it was the coach's decision to pack off VdV. Plus with Bale's continued natural development we were still there or thereabouts.

Who was the last 'project' to be successful?

Hoofing VdV still irritates me, he was on the decline physically and mentally (disintegration of his marriage etc.) and had a quiet 2012/2013 at Hamburg as you might expect. His form this season though has been very good - 14 league apps, 7 goals, 5 assists.

I think we discarded him too quickly.

 

[Jamturk]

Hoofing VdV still irritates me, he was on the decline physically and mentally (disintegration of his marriage etc.) and had a quiet 2012/2013 at Hamburg as you might expect. His form this season though has been very good - 14 league apps, 7 goals, 5 assists.

I think we discarded him too quickly.

He is just the leader we crave right now.

 

[camaj]

Who was the last 'project' to be successful?

Man City

 

[bomberH]

Who was the last 'project' to be successful?

Matthew Broderick in Project X. He saved the monkeys. Except the smoking one. :-(