Avb on talksport tonight....

[Ribble]

Who was the last 'project' to be successful?

Liverpool are doing pretty well now don't you think?

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

Liverpool are doing pretty well now don't you think?

Agreed, they are doing well... but are they simply having a similar season to us last year?

Reliant on one exceptional player papering over the cracks?

Albeit they have some class individuals in their team such as Coutinho, Sturridge, Mignolet, and Gerrard.

But if they lose Suarez i don't think they have a team who'll grind out results personally... i may be wrong

 

[only1waddle]

Agreed, they are doing well... but are they simply having a similar season to us last year?

Reliant on one exceptional player papering over the cracks?

Albeit they have some class individuals in their team such as Coutinho, Sturridge, Mignolet, and Gerrard.

But if they lose Suarez i don't think they have a team who'll grind out results personally... i may be wrong

I think stat's wise they have done well without Saurez, i think he is an incredible player that compliments how they play, rather than rescuing a team without any attacking threat.

 

[HobbitSpur]

Fucks me off when managers talk about a lack of stability at clubs and point to Wenger as an example.

What they fail to admit is that wenger won the effing double in his second season. Avb was getting thumped by pool, city and even bloody spam leaving us in 7th with a poverty goal difference.

It's all well and good to give a manager time, but he has to earn that time, with success.

What did AVB win in his second season at Spurs??

Oh yes, nothing as we sacked him before he reached that milestone.

Yes Wenger won the double in his second season but the PL was a very different beast back then.

I am not saying that AVB should or should not have been sacked. What I would like to say though is that IMHO we have a bigger problem in Levy that we care to admit.

We have no stability at Spurs. There are rumours that senior members of the squad are getting restless. Baldini apparently offered to resign when we sacked AVB.

Yes we ll love Spurs, but if the same things were emulating from other clubs we would be laughing.

We all want results TODAY!!! Well wake up and smee the coffee everybody. We can either spend the kind of money that Citeh & Chelski have done on prove players, and pay the extortionate wages that it takes to get them in, or build on Stability.

We have not got the money or the wage structure in place to achieve the first option, so we need stability.

An 18 month contract for Sherwood stinks. Does Levy think that TS can do the job???

NO!!!!

Hence the 18 month contract. How does that effect the squad?

All I ask is to sign the right manager next, and pay whatever t takes to get him in.

AND THEN LEAVE THINGS ALONE.

If Levy can't get it right this time and appoint "the right" manager then I am afraid that it will prove yet again that he is not up to the job and he needs to step aside

 

[Ribble]

But if they lose Suarez i don't think they have a team who'll grind out results personally... i may be wrong

They were doing fine without Suarez at the start of the season, they had to grind out a few results against heavily defensive opposition too.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Liverpool are doing pretty well now don't you think?

No. They are 3 points ahead of us and apparently having the season of their lives.

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

They were doing fine without Suarez at the start of the season, they had to grind out a few results against heavily defensive opposition too.

Fair point Ribble and only1waddle - they did do well during Suarez's ban but i felt (at the time) that was due to Sturridge being in good form.

But i've just had a look at their results so far this season, whilst struggling against the top clubs, they've certainly done well against the rest.

I rate Rodgers as a manager and think he has been allowed the time and players to produce an attacking team to his thinking.

Perhaps a little envy at Liverpool's season got in the way of my clear thinking

 

[Ribble]

No. They are 3 points ahead of us and apparently having the season of their lives.

In comparison to the turgid shit they were serving up under Dalglish, they are.

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

In comparison to the turgid shit they were serving up under Dalglish, they are.

I'd like to see those days return for Spurs' sake and for a good old lol

 

[Styopa]

"Project" sheesh...it's now being banded out as an excuse for AVB's dire brand of football. A pipe dream that somewhere in the undefined future everything would suddenly click and we would transform into world beaters. Truth is we were getting worse - worse results, worse football - and there were no signs of that changing.

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

"Project" sheesh...it's now being banded out as an excuse for AVB's dire brand of football. A pipe dream that somewhere in the undefined future everything would suddenly click and we would transform into world beaters. Truth is we were getting worse - worse results, worse football - and there were no signs of that changing.

Welcome to SC Styopa

But i'm not sure if you've stopped watching Spurs since Tim Sherwood took over but the football has definitely been positive and we're averaging more goals (>2 per game) and more chances converted since.

The stats disagree with you unfortunately

 

[Styopa]

I think Sherwood has made a very encouraging start and the football (as well as the results) have been much more positive.

 

[SlunkSoma]

How do you say "smash it" in intellectual speak?

Deconstruct that female's crevice

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

What did AVB win in his second season at Spurs??

Oh yes, nothing as we sacked him before he reached that milestone.

Yes Wenger won the double in his second season but the PL was a very different beast back then.

I am not saying that AVB should or should not have been sacked. What I would like to say though is that IMHO we have a bigger problem in Levy that we care to admit.

We have no stability at Spurs. There are rumours that senior members of the squad are getting restless. Baldini apparently offered to resign when we sacked AVB.

Yes we ll love Spurs, but if the same things were emulating from other clubs we would be laughing.

We all want results TODAY!!! Well wake up and smee the coffee everybody. We can either spend the kind of money that Citeh & Chelski have done on prove players, and pay the extortionate wages that it takes to get them in, or build on Stability.

We have not got the money or the wage structure in place to achieve the first option, so we need stability.

An 18 month contract for Sherwood stinks. Does Levy think that TS can do the job???

NO!!!!

Hence the 18 month contract. How does that effect the squad?

All I ask is to sign the right manager next, and pay whatever t takes to get him in.

AND THEN LEAVE THINGS ALONE.

If Levy can't get it right this time and appoint "the right" manager then I am afraid that it will prove yet again that he is not up to the job and he needs to step aside

wtf?

AVB was never going to win anything. We were getting absolutely tonked regularly even by the likes of bloody wet spam.

He was not the right man. He was rightly sacked.

The bit in bold is just utter nonsense. How the fuck do you know if they are the 'right manager' if they havent managed at your club yet? The right manager is the manager who meets your targets systematically when managing your club. That is the point. Managers become the right manager through success. Wenger was in no way the right manager for the scum until he was successful, he then became the right manager. When he was not meeting targets over the last few years a huge amount of the support wanted him out as they no longer saw him as the right manager. Now hes challenging to win things again, he becomes the right manager again.

Keeping a manager who is failing in the hope that he will turn into the right man is just nonsense. A manager has to very quickly show he is the right man by meeting targets. If he then fails to meet targets then he deserves time having already demonstrated his credentials but sticking with a failing manager is just lunacy and unrealistic in the incredibly pressured and rollercoaster world of PL football. This is not a unique problem created by Levy. Every PL chairman plays by the same rules.

 

[llamafarmer]

Who was the last 'project' to be successful?

France circa '98? Germany? Dortmund? Barcelona? What's the definition of a project anyway? They were all a result of cogent, long term planning.

 

[whitelanefever]

But you said, and I quote, "I hate that word project it's absolute bullcrap, football is not about projects it's about winning ". Talking about winning is the same thing as talking about points, given that points are a reflection of a team's ability to win football games.

You conveniently left out the part about getting the players you have to perform to the best of there abilities in the now, & of course football is about winning..

At the moment we were left without Modriç and VdV we stopped being that top four side you're talking about.
no we did'nt,
Its not that AVB took us backwards by having us finish one position lower,
1 position lower is still backwards.
is that the quality of the team simply went down as a result of losing those two. In fact, there were lots of us that were quite happy and surprised we were able to finish so high last season with such lack of talent.

Agree


A project is just the strategic planning in which people go about reaching their objectives, there's nothing fancy or cool about it.

Mmn it's not a word yoy hear Pelligrini, Mourinho, Ferguson Ancelotti or Wenger use now is it.. why because it's spoofery.

How the fuck do you expect to reach your long term goals without envisioning a way to do so? What, do you expect us to become a top European team without first planning a way to do so? Do you think that's something that just happens overnight?

I agree of course we have to have a Longterm strategy ( not project) as a club & have been guilty of jumping from 1 to the next. That longterm strategy is set-out by the board, not someone who has been hired to coach the team.

Im sorry to break it to you, but professional football is all about projects. bs
And if you never show enough patience to see one of them come full circle, then your football team will never be able to evolve.

I agree but it has to be the right guy your backing & trust
Here's a "PROJECT" for Andre, find out your best x1, pick players in there right positions.. he never could figure that out & you want him to lead us Longterm with his project.. Na sorry Rhyman lg teams might be a project but were a bloody professional football club for christ sake not some project.
Can you remember anyone using the term project b4 Andre i can't.. but but how did football clubs run without a project ( sarc)
You know why Andre failed, it's because of inexperience, stubborness & been a spoofer (project)
I don't think we will agree on this so yoy can embrace the AVB project & I shall not

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

wtf?

AVB was never going to win anything. We were getting absolutely tonked regularly even by the likes of bloody wet spam.

He was not the right man. He was rightly sacked.

The bit in bold is just utter nonsense. How the fuck do you know if they are the 'right manager' if they havent managed at your club yet? The right manager is the manager who meets your targets systematically when managing your club. That is the point. Managers become the right manager through success. Wenger was in no way the right manager for the scum until he was successful, he then became the right manager. When he was not meeting targets over the last few years a huge amount of the support wanted him out as they no longer saw him as the right manager. Now hes challenging to win things again, he becomes the right manager again.

Keeping a manager who is failing in the hope that he will turn into the right man is just nonsense. A manager has to very quickly show he is the right man by meeting targets. If he then fails to meet targets then he deserves time having already demonstrated his credentials but sticking with a failing manager is just lunacy and unrealistic in the incredibly pressured and rollercoaster world of PL football. This is not a unique problem created by Levy. Every PL chairman plays by the same rules.

I agree that you can't give a manager all the time in the world in the vain hope that he'll eventually get things right.

But i don't think a cut-throat (Roman Abramovich) approach is needed either.

Whilst, Chelski's managerial merry-go-round has proven to be (annoyingly) successful. It counteracts stability.

The time Ferguson and Wenger were given is a luxury these days - no chairman can or is willing to afford to give them that amount of time in my opinion.

Liverpool under Rodgers haven't achieved even close to what Houllier and Benitez achieved but over time it appears to be going well at the moment.

Even Klopp received an earful from some technical director about his view that finishing fourth would be a failure... despite the fact that the same guy has probably sanctioned the sale of their two best players to a direct rival.

Unfortunately, i don't think the FA, UEFA or FIFA cares for anything but billionaire chairmen and mega-rich clubs these days. More opportunities must be given for others club to press for success and play against Europe's elite clubs not just the same ones every year - like qualification for Champions League through winning the Europa League or FA Cup.

Just an idea...

 

[HobbitSpur]

wtf?

AVB was never going to win anything. We were getting absolutely tonked regularly even by the likes of bloody wet spam.

He was not the right man. He was rightly sacked.

The bit in bold is just utter nonsense. How the fuck do you know if they are the 'right manager' if they havent managed at your club yet? The right manager is the manager who meets your targets systematically when managing your club. That is the point. Managers become the right manager through success. Wenger was in no way the right manager for the scum until he was successful, he then became the right manager. When he was not meeting targets over the last few years a huge amount of the support wanted him out as they no longer saw him as the right manager. Now hes challenging to win things again, he becomes the right manager again.

Keeping a manager who is failing in the hope that he will turn into the right man is just nonsense. A manager has to very quickly show he is the right man by meeting targets. If he then fails to meet targets then he deserves time having already demonstrated his credentials but sticking with a failing manager is just lunacy and unrealistic in the incredibly pressured and rollercoaster world of PL football. This is not a unique problem created by Levy. Every PL chairman plays by the same rules.

I am not saying that AVB should not have been sacked.

What I 'am' saying is how many chances does Levy need to get it right. As a chairman of a company (which is what THFC are in essence) he has shown time after time that he has not got the savvy to appoint the right manager.

To get rid of "yet another" manager within a ludicrous time at the helm is testament to this.

If the chairman of a large corporation made as many bad decisions with his appointments as Levy has he would be made to stand down.

I am starting to fear that he is incapable of a) Appointing the correct manager to fulfill his ideals for the club, or b) completely clueless in what it takes to make a team successful.

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

I am not saying that AVB should not have been sacked.

What I 'am' saying is how many chances does Levy need to get it right. As a chairman of a company (which is what THFC are in essence) he has shown time after time that he has not got the savvy to appoint the right manager.

To get rid of "yet another" manager within a ludicrous time at the helm is testament to this.

If the chairman of a large corporation made as many bad decisions with his appointments as Levy has he would be made to stand down.

I am starting to fear that he is incapable of a) Appointing the correct manager to fulfill his ideals for the club, or b) completely clueless in what it takes to make a team successful.

By that logic only the chairmen of Manure and the scum have got it right during the PL years.

Should 18 chairmen be sacked?

 

[Ginolas_Hair]

By that logic only the chairmen of Manure and the scum have got it right during the PL years.

Should 18 chairmen be sacked?

Don't mean to interrupt in your debate. But you've both raised some interesting points.

I think every chairman's dream is find their Fergie and Wenger... but does that boil down to luck? or good research by a knowledgeable chairman?

Levy appears to be raking in the profits for THFC so i guess he's doing part of his job well. But as for finding a suitable long-term manager he hasn't done very well so far.

Now is that because the right candidate hasn't been found so far or have they been missed?