AVB Sacked

[TEESSIDE1]

Don't want hoddle here - he thinks Defoe's amazing.

That would finish me.

yh, and Huddlestone.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Liverpool improved last year under Rogers and continued to improve this year.

Villas-Boas has had the same amount of time and we've gone backwards.

I think AVB had to go but that's patently a false comparison.

Rogers was allowed to keep his only world class player and AVB had his sold.

 

[felmani26]

Don't believe Rogers has unswerving loyalty from the fans either as a good few were moaning about him only a few matches ago and saying they wanted rid.

Modern day fans - short term idiots.

 

[Kendall]

Absolutely but then these supposed 3/4/5 year plans the board like to spout as 'long term investment in the manager' is just a complete myth.

Too much short termism and not enough foresight which inevitably leads to a never ending cycle of transition.

To meet long term goals is to meet a series of short term targets. The fact is there was zero sign of any progression condusive to meeting those long term goals.

 

[tototoner]

where do they find these Tottenham fans on Talksport from, the local Loony Farm - idiots every last one of them

and Harry Redknapp on before 1pm also

 

[mattdefoe]

Why are there comments about adebayor and BAE, didn't they take the p*** out of our result yesterday....

 

[RuskyM]

So how long are we going to be without a manager for?

 

[EastLondonYid]

Why didn't we learn from the team that routed us yesterday, who stuck with their manager last season through a pretty tough season, realising the transitional problems.

AVB was making mistakes, but surely, for some of the above reasons (and others) he deserved more time.

People were ridiculing Rodgers last season. Look at what Liverpool are doing now that the new players they bought the previous two/three seasons have bedded in properly.

I was embarrassed at yesterday's performance, but I'm also embarrassed by today's.

Rodgers didn't take over a team that finished 4th 5th 4th 5th the last 4 seasons ,Liverpool were dire when he took over and is rebuilding them, Avb however took over a team that needed tweaking, instead we are going backwards.

Avb didn't have the balls to buy the players he wanted, or he bought the wrong ones...either way he is a mug.

 

[walworthyid]

Why didn't we learn from the team that routed us yesterday, who stuck with their manager last season through a pretty tough season, realising the transitional problems.

AVB was making mistakes, but surely, for some of the above reasons (and others) he deserved more time.

People were ridiculing Rodgers last season. Look at what Liverpool are doing now that the new players they bought the previous two/three seasons have bedded in properly.

I was embarrassed at yesterday's performance, but I'm also embarrassed by today's.

There is a temptation to believe that would have happened for us but Liverpool were playing well in patches and you could actually see the progress. There was no progress with AVB and this spurs team and in fact there was regression.

Besides all of this, we simply could not afford to have Lamela and Soldado failing and losing value. It is quite simply ridiculous that when we have needed goals he has refused to bring Lamela on.

The BAE and Ade situations are also ridiculous. BAE is better than Rose all day and every day and should never have been sent out on loan to the championship. Ade is a prize plonker but he is a bloody good player and should have been in the squad.

I'm sorry that he did not succeed but ultimately AVB made too many errors and showed no signs that he was learning from them.

I'm actually excited about watching our next game for the first time in months, that says a lot.

 

[FrankSpencer]

Still to this day I cannot fathom why AVB couldn't get the team to replicate the style of play we so successfully implemented in the home leg against Inter Milan last season (3-0 home win). That style was what I was expecting us to build on, and is very similar to the style that Pochettino is now successfully getting plaudits for, from a weaker pool of players.

Pochettino would be my choice to at least offer some continuity to the foundations we have built with AVB over the last 18 months. The style can work, but the soul was sadly ripped out by the rigid nature of AVB's tactics and stubbornness not to contemplate or implement a 'Plan B'.

 

[hughy]

Why are there comments about adebayor and BAE, didn't they take the p*** out of our result yesterday....

No, they really didn't. People are crying over absolutely fucking nothing on here. As per usual.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

and Harry Redknapp on before 1pm also

No doubt he'll be doing his 'umble 'arry act.

 

[parklane1]

Why didn't we learn from the team that routed us yesterday, who stuck with their manager last season through a pretty tough season, realising the transitional problems.

AVB was making mistakes, but surely, for some of the above reasons (and others) he deserved more time.

People were ridiculing Rodgers last season. Look at what Liverpool are doing now that the new players they bought the previous two/three seasons have bedded in properly.

I was embarrassed at yesterday's performance, but I'm also embarrassed by today's.

Have to agree especially about the Rogers bit, so many fans last season were calling him a joke, a idiot and a crap manager. Now all of a sudden we are getting ( some ) of those same fans saying why can not AVB turn it round like Rogers ( who is now being talked up as a top manager, buy the same fans)

Spurs fans fickle? we are a joke.

 

[thinktank]

Have the BSoDL stirred yet? View attachment 8916

That motty is making me dizzy.

 

[liamc23]

Yup.



Not surprised by any of that at all.

Not doubting JJ's info but it sounds like a smear campaign coming out of the club. AVB was the person who asked for Balidini to come in a TD why would he then refuse to meet up and talk about players.

 

[Shea]

here we go again...

really not sure how I feel about this. Timing wise it's terrible. I really wanted AVB to do well and the Fulham and Sunderland results seemed to have us going in the right direction. Then yesterday happens and I don't know what to think. The West Ham result was a one off, the newcastle result was a one off, the Man City game was a one off and now Liverpool (ok Newcastle game was a bit different)

I would have given him the season and see where we ended up but reading the list of AVB's 'weaknesses' from JJ, I think Levy was waiting for this result in order to pull the trigger.

I'm more sad for the team and THFC and it puts us back to square 1 with injuries and players with their confidence shot due to a 5-0 humiliation and never being played...

I might take Christmas off as see what happens in January

What did they really do to suggest we were going in the right direction?

Fulham (who have since been smashed shitless by Everton) played us off the park and deserved the win and Sunderland (hopeless bottom placed team) should have had a point but the ref ignored a blatant hand ball by Sandro toward the end

How can all these results be one offs?

More to the point is our performances - they've all been shit under AVB even our wins have been shit and reliant on luck or moments of individual brilliance (and without Bale to provide the brilliance regularly its been increasingly reliant on luck)

At least Ramos brought us a cup and was left with a heavily depleted squad before he was sacked - for my money with the team at his disposal AVB has done a worse job than Ramos (though both were a disgrace)

I'm glad he's gone - he had to go. Was shit at Chelsea and has been as bad for us

 

[felmani26]

I think AVB had to go but that's patently a false comparison.

Rogers was allowed to keep his only world class player and AVB had his sold.

Rogers would have absolutely no say in whether Suarez was going or not.

Madrid made Bale their priority and spent mega bucks acquiring him - if Madrid want Suarez this summer then he's off, whether the fans, media or John W Henry likes it or not.

 

[robin09]

So how long are we going to be without a manager for?

Not long. Levy always seems to be working on hiring the 'next' manager.

 

[chrissivad]

Had a scan through and couldnt see this posted.
Sorry if i missed it

Ali Z on CoYS

OK,



This has been on the cards for some time, AVB put Levy's nose out of joint.



Levy has been waiting for an opportunity. You will hear loads of rumours re AVB no doubt over the next few days as the Spurs PR machine spins into action.



Levy/Baldini have been putting the feelers out for weeks, now the plan was a young dynamic manager to build long term 18 months ago, wonder if the plan has been dumped too.



At the moment nobody we want is available.



That leaves limited option, sherwood/Freund short term until Summer.



Hoddle or Laudrup possibly both unlikely I would say, Hoddle and Levy both fell out badly and from what I hear Laudrup is happy where he is.



Feeling is they go for option A and then try and get Prandelli or Cappello in the summer, UNLESS and it is a big unless Franco can twist some arms and get one of our younger targets.



All very depressing for me, AVB should not have been sacked, we don't build we want instant success and our Chairman needs to but out more or sell up.

 

[dudu]

Do you think that result would be the same with Vlad and Vert in defence? Sandro going off early, Paulhino getting sent off?

It was a very bad day but I think at full strength it would have been a different story.

Thats now the point though? We weren't at full strength and nothing was done to compensate for it.