AVB vs Sherwood: The Ultimate Showdown

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Thats just rumours.

If I worked at Spurs and I had aspirations to be a manager then yes, I would have knocked on Levys door and asked to be considered for the job before giving it to someone else.
To say that he had a hand in getting the previous manager sacked is just rumours and he has had nothing but good words to say about AVB since getting the job.

Fair play to you. If I worked at Spurs and I had aspirations to be a manager, I'd probably consider getting the necessary qualifications. Hey, each to their own

 

[yankspurs]

I'm excusing it as there may have been many like me who voted for AVB, thinking that we were voting ofr the better of the two...

Yeah the poll and thread could be wored much, much, much better

 

[Stavrogin]

Sherwood is clearly worse than AVB, at least AVB has something to back it up. I don't think that Sherwood would have won the treble with Porto nor would he have amassed 72 points for Spurs last season. I would have said that the only thing Sherwood has over AVB is his man management skills but I'm even doubting that as well.

But this is crazy - Sherwood was essentially a caretaker with no experience who (probably) came in because no genuine options were available.

Why is he being judged to a higher standard than AVB? (and please don't say he's not ) As you say, AVB was experienced in both success and failure (which can be useful); he also had had a full season at the club, with the opportunity to coach and shape the squad. Surely Villas Boas' failure is more profound?

Sherwood came in to a team that was, despite what people are trying to say now, in disarray (no one was playing well, we were struggling to win, big defeats came easily etc.) and he rolled the dice. Some stop-gaps often just try to keep things ticking over but at least the next manager has a few more things to work with: Adebayor has shown that he's still a key player, Bentaleb has the potential to become one, Eriksen has become more influential.

Similarly, AVB's failure was systematic, we were a shambling, stultifying mess - it obscured some of our deeper flaws. Having had two different approaches a new manager will surely have a better grip and probably a firmer idea of what needs to be done going forward.

So what would you have wanted him to do? What do you want out of a caretaker manager? If he'd have gotten us into the top four it would have been a fantastic achievement but it was always unlikely he'd turn out to be a fantastic manager. I think this has been better than having AVB limp to the end of the season (although that probably wasn't even an option). I'd have preferred Hoddle for the amusement but I doubt he'd have done much better, so...?

 

[markieboy]

Fair play to you. If I worked at Spurs and I had aspirations to be a manager, I'd probably consider getting the necessary qualifications. Hey, each to their own

No,you probably would have stalked Bobby Robson in his apartment block.

 

[Mr Pink]

But this is crazy - Sherwood was essentially a caretaker with no experience who (probably) came in because no genuine options were available.

Why is he being judged to a higher standard than AVB? (and please don't say he's not ) As you say, AVB was experienced in both success and failure (which can be useful); he also had had a full season at the club, with the opportunity to coach and shape the squad. Surely Villas Boas' failure is more profound?

Sherwood came in to a team that was, despite what people are trying to say now, in disarray (no one was playing well, we were struggling to win, big defeats came easily etc.) and he rolled the dice. Some stop-gaps often just try to keep things ticking over but at least the next manager has a few more things to work with: Adebayor has shown that he's still a key player, Bentaleb has the potential to become one, Eriksen has become more influential.

Similarly, AVB's failure was systematic, we were a shambling, stultifying mess - it obscured some of our deeper flaws. Having had two different approaches a new manager will surely have a better grip and probably a firmer idea of what needs to be done going forward.

So what would you have wanted him to do? What do you want out of a caretaker manager? If he'd have gotten us into the top four it would have been a fantastic achievement but it was always unlikely he'd turn out to be a fantastic manager. I think this has been better than having AVB limp to the end of the season (although that probably wasn't even an option). I'd have preferred Hoddle for the amusement but I doubt he'd have done much better, so...?

Absolutely this.

I could never understand the fascination of comparing them anyway. Sherwood has fuck all experience, he's a novice who was always going to be an interim appointment unless something miraculous happened - like demonstrating very good managerial qualities in a short space of time with no experience whatsoever - was incredibly unlikely, given the amount of new players we were trying to integrate and the beatings we had already taken.

Fans frustrated at Sherwood, fine. But at the end of the day who put him there.

 

[Shea]

Absolutely this.

I could never understand the fascination of comparing them anyway. Sherwood has fuck all experience, he's a novice who was always going to be an interim appointment unless something miraculous happened - like demonstrating very good managerial qualities in a short space of time with no experience whatsoever - was incredibly unlikely, given the amount of new players we were trying to integrate and the beatings we had already taken.

Fans frustrated at Sherwood, fine. But at the end of the day who put him there.

It speaks volumes about how poor AVB was that there is even a comparison to be made I guess

The thing is there isn't a great deal in it - I expected this poll to be heavily in AVB's favour due to its timing where as had it been conducted after the Southampton game it would likely have been strongly in Sherwood's favour

Fact is neither have been good enough - Sherwood however does have the excuse of being an absolute novice trying to clean up someone else's mess while AVB has a track record of being out of his depth in our league.

It is pointless comparing them - both have not been up to the job and neither should be our boss long term. The only discussions of any merit right now are who will be the boss next year (or who should), who we should buy and sell and indeed what style of formation (formation/tactics) we should be playing....its been done to death the whole AVB vs Sherwood debate and its such a futile act - like arguing over who is the tallest midget

 

[Barry Mead]

Sherwood is clearly worse than AVB, at least AVB has something to back it up. I don't think that Sherwood would have won the treble with Porto nor would he have amassed 72 points for Spurs last season. I would have said that the only thing Sherwood has over AVB is his man management skills but I'm even doubting that as well.

Well I'm not too sure Jesualdo Ferreira won three titles in his four years at Porto and 3 cups but never did too well before or since, Mickey Mouse could probably have won the title for Porto if he was put in charge then

 

[NEVILLEB]

AVB clearly an actual coach... Sherwood just an angry man who played for a team that was good for about one year 2 decades ago.

AVB doesn't have the excuse of no experience or taking over in a panic.

He had the chance to bring in players and set the team up the way he wanted. 2 Pre-season's worth.

 

[Shadydan]

Well I'm not too sure Jesualdo Ferreira won three titles in his four years at Porto and 3 cups but never did too well before or since, Mickey Mouse could probably have won the title for Porto if he was put in charge then

Despite Porto finishing 3rd the season before having Hulk and Falcao in their squad they under-achieved, but I think it was more to do with the manor in which he won those titles which was what impressed everyone, certainly before he went to Chelsea as they were looking for a modern day manager with a modern approach.

 

[Legend10]

Are you taking the piss? We had kept clean sheet after clean sheet before injuries hit.

If AVB was still here we would not be in the position we are in.

Agreed, 8th or 9th probably.

 

[eddiebailey]

Nope. then again, if he only said what he said because it was the right thing to say, but he was, secretly, unhappy with the squad, WHY did he not take up Levy's offer of money for transfers in January? Remember Sherwood saying this?

Tottenham Hotspur's Tim Sherwood turns down chance to make January signings despite chairman's offers
Tim Sherwood expresses his confidence in Tottenham squad as Dimitar Berbatov goes to Monaco rather than White Hart Lane

Happy camper: Tim Sherwood has told chairman Daniel Levy that he is happy to not add to the current Spurs squad, despite the fact they will complete the season with only two senior strikers Photo: ACTION IMAGES


By Matt Law

10:30PM GMT 31 Jan 2014

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Tim Sherwood will face tough questions from Tottenham Hotspurchairman Daniel Levy if the manager’s Champions League gamble does not pay off.

Sherwood decided against making any deadline-day signings, despite the fact Levy was interested in taking Dimitar Berbatov back to White Hart Lane and offered up other deals.

Monaco made a surprise move to sign Berbatov from Fulham and Tottenham will now finish the season with just two senior strikers once Jermain Defoe joins Toronto at the end of the month.

Sherwood believes Spurs have a strong enough squad to maintain a challenge for a top-four place and Levy will now demand results after being denied his traditional last-minute trolley dash.

“Daniel’s always asking, ‘Are you sure you don’t need to strengthen in this area? Can I help you in this or that area?’. I’m saying, ‘Look, I’m confident in the players we’ve got and I don’t need any help to strengthen, thanks very much’,” said Sherwood.

“I’ve said from day one that we’ve got a lot of players at the club and I’ve not changed my opinions. I know the fans want another 10 signings, but believe me it’s not always the correct way to go about it – just to buy players and throw them at a manager.”

Lewis Holtby left Spurs to join Fulham on loan but Étienne Capoue missed out on a move to Napoli, despite him questioning the fact he has often been asked to play in a defensive role for Spurs.

“I am not surprised,” said Capoue. “It is the English way. They don’t know much about foreign players.”

Sherwood responded by saying: “I’m not going to pick anyone just because he’s English or French. Ultimately, I like to win football games so the best team plays.”

Left-back Danny Rose is available for Tottenham’s game against Hull City on Saturday after winning his appeal against the red card he was shown in the 5-1 defeat to Manchester City.

He decided to take a good long look at what we had and only then decide what we need. He knows a lot more about his squad now than he did in January, and even if he goes I hope Levy sticks to his shopping list.

 

[Mr Pink]

Agreed, 8th or 9th probably.

Exactly, because he sure as hell wasn't going to involve Adebayor...so where would the goals of come from?

We would of been fucked. The resilience he had installed the season before was dying - and there was still an absolute famine going on at the other end of the pitch.

 

[Legend10]

Exactly, because he sure as hell wasn't going to involve Adebayor...so where would the goals of come from?

We would of been fucked. The resilience he had installed the season before was dying - and there was still an absolute famine going on at the other end of the pitch.

We couldn't score from open play unless it was from 25 yards plus for love nor money.

7 goals from inside the penalty area in 16 league matches, one of the worst stats i've ever seen. Worldies & penalties was our attacking philosophy.

 

[idontgetit]

AVB

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Exactly, because he sure as hell wasn't going to involve Adebayor...so where would the goals of come from?

We would of been fucked. The resilience he had installed the season before was dying - and there was still an absolute famine going on at the other end of the pitch.

Given time he may have adjusted his tactics to get us scoring more. I'm sure he recognised the problem like the rest of us.

One thing I liked about AVB was his willingness to find solutions to our problems by putting in the work on the training field. Like when he found a solution to us conceding late goals last season.

I think given more time and support he would have got us scoring. He may have even patched things up with Ade.

We can only speculate, but I sure as hell would have preferred to give him until the end of the season to find out, rather than endure the shambles that has been played out since.

 

[Mr Pink]

Given time he may have adjusted his tactics to get us scoring more. I'm sure he recognised the problem like the rest of us.

One thing I liked about AVB was his willingness to find solutions to our problems by putting in the work in the training field. Like when he found a solution to us conceding late goals last season.

I know many will view it like yourself but I just don't share that optimism whatsoever mate.

Bale aside, there was very little evidence to suggest our collective attacking play was going to improve significantly.

That being said I would of stuck with him as well as I think sackings mid season should only be done in an absolute desperate situation - which ours wasn't, but I don't think our collective attacking play would of improved greatly.

That's my take. I think if he would of stayed on we would of continued to struggle in that respect but ultimately would of grinded out a decent enough return of points.

There still would of been all the clamouring for LVG though.

 

[Mr Pink]

Given time he may have adjusted his tactics to get us scoring more. I'm sure he recognised the problem like the rest of us.

One thing I liked about AVB was his willingness to find solutions to our problems by putting in the work in the training field. Like when he found a solution to us conceding late goals last season.

I think given more time and support he would have got us scoring. He may have even patched things up with Ade.

We can only speculate but I sure as hell would have preferred to give him until the end of the season to find out, rather than endure the shambles that has been played out since.

I know many will view it like yourself but I just don't share that optimism whatsoever mate.

Bale aside, there was very little evidence to suggest our collective attacking play was going to improve significantly.

That being said I would of stuck with him as well as I think sackings mid season should only be done in an absolute desperate situation - which ours wasn't, but I don't think our collective attacking play would of improved greatly.

That's my take. I think if he would of stayed on we would of continued to struggle in that respect but ultimately would of grinded out a decent enough return of points.

There still would of been all the clamouring for LVG though.

 

[rich75]

Are you taking the piss? We had kept clean sheet after clean sheet before injuries hit.

If AVB was still here we would not be in the position we are in.

Did the injuries all clear up then the moment AVB left ?

If what you're saying is AVB was excellent at keeping clean sheets only with an uninjured squad then presumably we'd have been leaking goals left right and centre if he were still in charge now.

And still not scoring.

 

[Barry Mead]

Despite Porto finishing 3rd the season before having Hulk and Falcao in their squad they under-achieved, but I think it was more to do with the manor in which he won those titles which was what impressed everyone, certainly before he went to Chelsea as they were looking for a modern day manager with a modern approach.

I think it was more down to two factors, the first because they had relaxed and slipped up the season before finishing third after iirc four titles in succession, this served both as a wake up call to fire the players up to regain the title and to mean that they missed the CL and instead had Europa.
The second was because Benfica who had won the title then lost some of their key players like Ramires and Di Maria in the summer and Luiz in the January significantly weakening their only serious rival

 

[jolsnogross]

Yep, thank god Sherwood's bought the entertaining football back.

And that "broken squad" is the one that Sherwood helped assemble and then was in Levy's ear saying that he could do better with it than AVB was managing.

I wouldn't say the entertaining footy is "back", but it's far better than the turgid non-football AVB had us playing.

As for the whispers in Levy's ear, that's all idle speculation and even if it's true, we don't know which players were recommended by whom and you'd hope the chairman had more of a plan than just taking on disjointed recommendations.

We were in a pretty good place when AVB took over, and he left us with a disassembled mess. Sherwood might not be 'the one', but if he's sacked at season's end he'll have provided more in his half season than AVB did.