AVB vs Sherwood: The Ultimate Showdown

[FinnYid]

If AVB was still here we would not be in the position we are in.

True, would be 7th at best. The position he left us.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

He decided to take a good long look at what we had and only then decide what we need. He knows a lot more about his squad now than he did in January, and even if he goes I hope Levy sticks to his shopping list.

Umm, fuck off!

 

[tototoner]

I wouldn't say the entertaining footy is "back", but it's far better than the turgid non-football AVB had us playing.

As for the whispers in Levy's ear, that's all idle speculation and even if it's true, we don't know which players were recommended by whom and you'd hope the chairman had more of a plan than just taking on disjointed recommendations.

We were in a pretty good place when AVB took over, and he left us with a disassembled mess. Sherwood might not be 'the one', but if he's sacked at season's end he'll have provided more in his half season than AVB did.

without a doubt, some fans forget how poor and toothless we were under Villas-Boas this season.

comparing their league results this season

Villas-Boas
Pld 16 W 8 D 3 L 5
Pts 27 Goals for 15 Goals against 21 ( - 6 GD )
PPG = 1.69

Sherwood
Pld 17 W 10 D 2 L 5
Pts 32 Goals for 30 Goals against 24 ( + 6 GD )
PPG = 1.88

 

[jolsnogross]

without a doubt, some fans forget how poor and toothless we were under Villas-Boas this season.

comparing their league results this season

Villas-Boas
Pld 16 W 8 D 2 L 6
Pts 27 Goals for 15 Goals against 21 ( - 6 GD )
PPG = 1.69

Sherwood
Pld 17 W 10 D 2 L 5
Pts 32 Goals for 30 Goals against 24 ( + 6 GD )
PPG = 1.88

15 goals in 16 games. It's no wonder fans try to forget a horror show like that.

But you're spot on. And you only have to read the match thread to see shades of Harry-derangement syndrome are back but directed at Sherwood this time. They don't like how he speaks and what he says, so all defeats are his fault and all wins are someone else's credit (and the opposition hopeless). There's one interaction on there where a Sherwood-hater claims he said something about having to finish 4th or be sacked, but when the true context of the interaction is quoted back to him, he just says fuck it, even though I have no support for what I think I heard, I still think I'm right and Sherwood should be sacked anyway.

Then there's more guff about how we have no plan under Sherwood and the players just run around like headless chickens, unlike AVB who had a definite plan/ethos/style. No issues with the fact that AVB's style was shit-on-a-stick and his empty jargon-filled rhetoric were as jarring on the ears as his so-called 'style' was jarring on the eyes.

I don't think Sherwood has a hope of keeping the job, and that's just the way it is at Spurs. And to be fair, there have been too many capitulations. But even though I'm not too bothered by it either way, I'd be very amused to see him stay on and watch all the heads explode on here.

 

[tototoner]

15 goals in 16 games. It's no wonder fans try to forget a horror show like that.

But you're spot on. And you only have to read the match thread to see shades of Harry-derangement syndrome are back but directed at Sherwood this time. They don't like how he speaks and what he says, so all defeats are his fault and all wins are someone else's credit (and the opposition hopeless). There's one interaction on there where a Sherwood-hater claims he said something about having to finish 4th or be sacked, but when the true context of the interaction is quoted back to him, he just says fuck it, even though I have no support for what I think I heard, I still think I'm right and Sherwood should be sacked anyway.

Then there's more guff about how we have no plan under Sherwood and the players just run around like headless chickens, unlike AVB who had a definite plan/ethos/style. No issues with the fact that AVB's style was shit-on-a-stick and his empty jargon-filled rhetoric were as jarring on the ears as his so-called 'style' was jarring on the eyes.

I don't think Sherwood has a hope of keeping the job, and that's just the way it is at Spurs. But even though I'm not too bothered by it either way, I'd be very amused to see him stay on and watch all the heads explode on here.

that would be so enjoyable and priceless

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Where were these comparisions before yesterdays game when the games were exactly even?

Before last night's game:

Villas-Boas
Pld 16 W 8 D 2 L 6
Pts 27 Goals for 15 Goals against 21 ( - 6 GD )
PPG = 1.69

Sherwood
Pld 16 W 9 D 2 L 5
Pts 29 Goals for 25 Goals against 23 ( + 2 GD )
PPG = 1.68

It's surprisingly close. Sherwood has got us scoring more goals.

 

[knilly]

PPG after last night is 1.88 and GD + 6

Works out at just over 71 points for a full season. Which isnt bad for someone who doesnt have the tactical acumen to be manager of the club.

Will be interesting to see how we get on in the run in.

 

[tototoner]

Where were these comparisions before yesterdays game when the games were exactly even?

Before last night's game:

Villas-Boas
Pld 16 W 8 D 3 L 5
Pts 27 Goals for 15 Goals against 21 ( - 6 GD )
PPG = 1.69

Sherwood
Pld 16 W 9 D 2 L 5
Pts 29 Goals for 25 Goals against 23 ( + 2 GD )
PPG = 1.68

It's surprisingly close. Sherwood has got us scoring more goals.

Actually I had one of Villas-Boas draws down as a loss in error, I wondered why 24 + 2 didn't = 27

Very similar stats but more goals under Sherwood

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I'd be very amused to see him stay on and watch all the heads explode on here.

I did ask the question, what would people do if Levy announced he'd given Sherwood a five year deal, but hardly anyone answered. I think people just don't want to even consider it

I'm with you, the reactions would be priceless.

 

[dudu]

I did ask the question, what would people do if Levy announced he'd given Sherwood a five year deal, but hardly anyone answered. I think people just don't want to even consider it

I'm with you, the reactions would be priceless.

Would it be first time "suicide watch' had been implemented outside of the ITK thread?

 

[scottishbairn]

Where were these comparisions before yesterdays game when the games were exactly even?

Before last night's game:

Villas-Boas
Pld 16 W 8 D 2 L 6
Pts 27 Goals for 15 Goals against 21 ( - 6 GD )
PPG = 1.69

Sherwood
Pld 16 W 9 D 2 L 5
Pts 29 Goals for 25 Goals against 23 ( + 2 GD )
PPG = 1.68

It's surprisingly close. Sherwood has got us scoring more goals.

Sherwood's PPG would be 1.81 before last nights game

 

[guiltyparty]

Where were these comparisions before yesterdays game when the games were exactly even?

Before last night's game:

Villas-Boas
Pld 16 W 8 D 2 L 6
Pts 27 Goals for 15 Goals against 21 ( - 6 GD )
PPG = 1.69

Sherwood
Pld 16 W 9 D 2 L 5
Pts 29 Goals for 25 Goals against 23 ( + 2 GD )
PPG = 1.68

It's surprisingly close. Sherwood has got us scoring more goals.

I also like how cup games are consistently removed from the equation, like AVB didn't have to play them. All this 'Liverpool only have to play one game a week' stuff but so have we since Sherwood started as we were knocked out of them all almost immediately. Lots of fudging figures to suit agendas on here for both dudes

 

[BringBack_leGin]

You want fudging of stats @guiltyparty ? On the @Archibald&Crooks post you've quoted, he's given AVB an extra point. AVB should have 26 points and a ppg of 1.625. Also, Sherwoods 29 points in 16 games give him a ppg of 1.8.

For the record, I'm not pro or anti either.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Sherwood's PPG would be 1.81 before last nights game

I stand corrected, thank you.

Give him the job for life

 

[TheGreenLily]

I stand corrected, thank you.

Give him the job for life

 

[guiltyparty]

You want fudging of stats @guiltyparty ? On the @Archibald&Crooks post you've quoted, he's given AVB an extra point. AVB should have 26 points and a ppg of 1.625. Also, Sherwoods 29 points in 16 games give him a ppg of 1.8.

For the record, I'm not pro or anti either.

I wasn't aware. But as I say, fudging of it for both sides

I think it's sad that as a set of supporters we're so divided.

 

[Legend10]

Not sure why last nights game should be discarded, why not discard all the games we've won under Sherwood and just count the draws and defeats, hell we could even only count the games that AVB won?

Fact is on a PPG ratio we are nearly 10 points over a season better off than we were doing under AVB.

 

[mattstev2000]

Not sure why last nights game should be discarded, why not discard all the games we've won under Sherwood and just count the draws and defeats, hell we could even only count the games that AVB won?

Fact is on a PPG ratio we are nearly 10 points over a season better off than we were doing under AVB.

We could also ignore cup games because, you know, AVB had it easy so they don't count. Also, lets not bother with last seasons games because that was all Bale. There's lots of creative accounting being done on both sides of the fence.

To be honest I'm ignoring the statistics all together. I couldn't care less if Sherwood had a 3ppg average I still don't want him as our manager because he has shown on the park and in his touchline/media antics that he isn't ready for premier league management.

Even if he was doing great at the moment (which he isn't) I'd be concerned we were going to meltdown at any minute with him in charge.

 

[Legend10]

We could also ignore cup games because, you know, AVB had it easy so they don't count. Also, lets not bother with last seasons games because that was all Bale. There's lots of creative accounting being done on both sides of the fence.

To be honest I'm ignoring the statistics all together. I couldn't care less if Sherwood had a 3ppg average I still don't want him as our manager because he has shown on the park and in his touchline/media antics that he isn't ready for premier league management.

Even if he was doing great at the moment (which he isn't) I'd be concerned we were going to meltdown at any minute with him in charge.

If he had picked up 51 points in 17 games you still wouldn't accept him, ok, then it can't be about the football.

And yes the opposition in the Europa was pathetic.

 

[Mr Pink]

I also like how cup games are consistently removed from the equation, like AVB didn't have to play them. All this 'Liverpool only have to play one game a week' stuff but so have we since Sherwood started as we were knocked out of them all almost immediately. Lots of fudging figures to suit agendas on here for both dudes

I also like how AVB had 18 months behind him here and Sherwood had zero experience seems to be consistently overlooked to.

Similar record in the League with more goals scored is a decent effort all things considered.

He's hasn't done well enough when tactics and game plan become more important against the better sides but some of the shit that gets trotted out is laughable.