AVB

[Babylon22]

It's weird how the journos on Sunday supplement wanted avb to publicly slate adebayor. How does that benefit us?

 

[only1waddle]

It's weird how the journos on Sunday supplement wanted avb to publicly slate adebayor. How does that benefit us?

It doesn't, it benefits them!

 

[Jaffer99]

As said above, lets wait until we can field our best 11, that is a very good team, at least top 5, maybe even better, AVB is working with a team not playing at full strength, lets give him the benefit of the doubt when everyone one is back, then if it goes wrong, is fault, but how do you think HR would get on this year, with the players we have available..

 

[DuDe]

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Hello there. Welcome to SC.

 

[BorisTM]

As said above, lets wait until we can field our best 11, that is a very good team, at least top 5, maybe even better, AVB is working with a team not playing at full strength, lets give him the benefit of the doubt when everyone one is back, then if it goes wrong, is fault, but how do you think HR would get on this year, with the players we have available..

Is this your first season of watching football and Tottenham in particular? This is the type of a team we are going to field most of the time, because we are always going to have one or two players out with injuries. And that is why every good team that wants to challenge for trophies needs to have a good long bench. This is a general rule for this sport, it is not something specific to us - every club struggles with injures.

And even in those rare occasions when these best 11 are all fit, they will never play at the best of their abilities week after week, not only because it is part of the human nature, but because after coming from injury everyone needs few games to get back to the same level they were at before they got injured, and by the time they get there someone else is going to get injured and the entire circle starts all over again. And that is without considering the cards.

Which means that your "lets wait until we can field our best 11" case is build on a dream and AVB is going to work with a team that is "under strength" in good 90-95% of the games if not throughout the entire season. And if he can't make it work with this kind of a team then he is no good for the task.

 

[nicdic]

Yes he would - but my friend, do our angry colleagues have the patience to give Carroll the time to adapt to playing at the PL pace and difficulty level? And also accept a few poor performances from him and a few not so good results in the interim?

Evidence, ie. this thread!, would say no!

Its funny how many people on here get angry and say "play the kids because so and so (usually Jenas) is fakin useless!", then when we play the kids (Naughton and Walker for example), 1 or 2 bad performances and its "sell/drop/have a word with the fakkers!"

I would love to see Carroll playing ahead of Dempsey, and would accept that as a result the results and performances may suffer but so many people want us to do everything:

- buy £20m + players like Moutinho and Leandro Damaio
- play the youngsters like Carroll and Coudibaly
- Finish ahead of Arsenal
- Finish in a CL spot
- Have a new stadium without affecting the transfer budget
- But stay in Tottenham and keep the name
- Play an attacking and attractive style of football
- Batter teams
- Not concede late goals
- Not have any red cards....nay....no bookings!

Ok I am being a bit silly now but people want it all and are unrealistic, they have no sense of reality when it comes to Spurs in my opinion. Victims of our own successes I suppose.

Coulibaly?! Seriously?

 

[StartingPrice]

Funny thing is I think that a central midfield three of Sandro, Moutinho, and Dembele would dominate teams through sheer athleticism. Moutinho is fantastic on the ball, but people are generally quick to forget that he has a terrific engine as well. If we had the two players that AVB most coveted this summer (Moutinho and Willian), then I imagine that our league position would be very different.

I think you've slightly missed my point.
What I am saying is that if you look at how AVB likes to set his teams out, Sandro and Dembélé are good fits for two of the midfield three and Moutinho would be perfect as the third. But we don't have him, so what can we do before January. I then discuss Carroll as he would also be of that style of play that would compliment Sando/Dembélé and he is here now. I know he isn't as good as Moutinho, if you want to draw a straight line and ignore TCs age and improvement to come. But we could play him now, and the alternatives are THudd who is, sadly, woefully off the pace, and just not suited to our game (indeed, he needs to be a focal point, sitting deep and pinging passes around, I don't see how else he can play TBH), or Sigurdsson, who shouldn't even be playing on that part of the field*. We will have Scotty Parker back soon, but I don't really think we should be looking at him and Sandro in midfield except as a ultra defensive ploy.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I think you've slightly missed my point.
What I am saying is that if you look at how AVB likes to set his teams out, Sandro and Dembélé are good fits for two of the midfield three and Moutinho would be perfect as the third. But we don't have him, so what can we do before January. I then discuss Carroll as he would also be of that style of play that would compliment Sando/Dembélé and he is here now. I know he isn't as good as Moutinho, if you want to draw a straight line and ignore TCs age and improvement to come. But we could play him now, and the alternatives are THudd who is, sadly, woefully off the pace, and just not suited to our game (indeed, he needs to be a focal point, sitting deep and pinging passes around, I don't see how else he can play TBH), or Sigurdsson, who shouldn't even be playing on that part of the field*. We will have Scotty Parker back soon, but I don't really think we should be looking at him and Sandro in midfield except as a ultra defensive ploy.

I didn't miss your point, i just read the first five lines of your post and stopped to be honest

 

[Supersi32]

I want to like AVB and I want to believe in his "project"....

I`m just finding it very difficult at the moment.

 

[daehanmingook]

I want to like AVB and I want to believe in his "project"....

I`m just finding it very difficult at the moment.

Perhaps that's because he hasn't even gotten started! Not until he brings in at least ONE player of his choice will I even begin to judge his performance as a manger. As of now he's just bridging the gap between Harry's "dynasty" and AVB's future squad. There will be much movement in the summer, I predict. Imagine, AVB even suggested Huddlestone and Dawson to leave the club in the summer, players who he is now stuck with. He has very clear ideas of what kinds of players he wants, and atm I reckon at least half the squad (I say squad, not first 11) are players he wouldn't consider to play if he didn't have to. Fridel, Cudicini, Gomes? Dawson, Hudd, Lennon, Dempsey, Siggy, Defoe, some of the youngsters, etc. This is not AVB's squad, we are not playing his beloved 4-3-3, and it seems he still has nightmares from Chelsea, so as of now, as far as I can tell, it is not the right time to judge him on anything, including how he's dealing with the GKs. I think I once heard how he wished to drop Cech at Chelsea because he wasn't his ideal GK. Clearly he's learned something whilst there, because he's been playing 41 yo Friedel for months despite having a proper sweeper-keeper in Lloris on the bench! So give him time, and judge him once he's playing his 4-3-3, with some of his own players (not Levy end-of-season bargain buys).

 

[SugarRay]

That's easier said than done though. Will he get the time to build and then field 'his' side.

People suggesting we wait until the summer. What about in the mean time? Season is a total write off? How poor a season can he expect to survive?

I do think Levy will stick with him unless the season turns in to a complete embarrassment.

As someone mentioned above, I really want to believe in AVB and I like the chap. Just have a feeling it is going to end in a mess and he won't be here that long. Hope I'm wrong on that count.

 

[mill]

Perhaps that's because he hasn't even gotten started! Not until he brings in at least ONE player of his choice will I even begin to judge his performance as a manger. As of now he's just bridging the gap between Harry's "dynasty" and AVB's future squad. There will be much movement in the summer, I predict. Imagine, AVB even suggested Huddlestone and Dawson to leave the club in the summer, players who he is now stuck with. He has very clear ideas of what kinds of players he wants, and atm I reckon at least half the squad (I say squad, not first 11) are players he wouldn't consider to play if he didn't have to. Fridel, Cudicini, Gomes? Dawson, Hudd, Lennon, Dempsey, Siggy, Defoe, some of the youngsters, etc. This is not AVB's squad, we are not playing his beloved 4-3-3, and it seems he still has nightmares from Chelsea, so as of now, as far as I can tell, it is not the right time to judge him on anything, including how he's dealing with the GKs. I think I once heard how he wished to drop Cech at Chelsea because he wasn't his ideal GK. Clearly he's learned something whilst there, because he's been playing 41 yo Friedel for months despite having a proper sweeper-keeper in Lloris on the bench! So give him time, and judge him once he's playing his 4-3-3, with some of his own players (not Levy end-of-season bargain buys).

What was the summer all about then? Why not sign some of AVB's players instead of just waste a season and crank the pressure up on a man who most expect to fail anyway? Seems like a stupid way to go about things to me

 

[shelfboy68]

What was the summer all about then? Why not sign some of AVB's players instead of just waste a season and crank the pressure up on a man who most expect to fail anyway? Seems like a stupid way to go about things to me

Exactly right if your employing a new manager then you would expect to be backed straight away not be given bits of bric a brac.

When avb was in discussions with levy I'm sure targets would have been identified and contact made which makes you wonder why he came if he was going to be given the usual freebies and loan deals that levy likes to drop in everyone's lap.

 

[Graysonti]

Well done AVB

Not out of the woods and if Levy could just back him in Jan.

Really hope he does the biz

 

[cozzo]

Graham Roberts ‏@GrahamRoberts4
Team spirit is so good at the moment all fighting for Avb and the club and fans.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Graham Roberts ‏@GrahamRoberts4
Team spirit is so good at the moment all fighting for Avb and the club and fans.

 

[Legacy]

Villas Boas, under pressure from day 1, media doing their best to undermine him and slate him at every opportunity: 26 points from 15 games.

Redknapp, loved by all and sundry last year, being tipped to lead Spurs as dark horses for the title, 27 points from the same 15 games last season (with relegated and promoted sides substituted in).

Amazing how Villas Boas has seemingly been in fear of the sack from day one, yet has only achieved 1 point less than Harry All Mighty from the same games, despite working with a weaker first team, weaker squad and long term injuries to several key players.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Graham Roberts ‏@GrahamRoberts4
Team spirit is so good at the moment all fighting for Avb and the club and fans.

Used to love Robbo as a player, his taking out of Charlie Nicholas being only one reason (youngsters find this on YouTube) but in recent years I've lost respect as he has become a rent a quote. He was on Tsport earlier this week after a trip to the training ground and admitted he had changed his view on AVB after meeting him and seeing how behind him the players were, he had converted to an AVB fan.

 

[robin09]

Graham Roberts ‏@GrahamRoberts4
Team spirit is so good at the moment all fighting for Avb and the club and fans.

No shit, Graham.

 

[hybridsoldier]

Used to love Robbo as a player, his taking out of Charlie Nicholas being only one reason (youngsters find this on YouTube) but in recent years I've lost respect as he has become a rent a quote. He was on Tsport earlier this week after a trip to the training ground and admitted he had changed his view on AVB after meeting him and seeing how behind him the players were, he had converted to an AVB fan.

Thanks for posting this, don't listen to TalkSport as much these days but I do remember earlier in the season he was slating AVB saying he was rubbish and had no man management skills etc.

But good to see he has changed his mind now. You can't just read the red tops and believe them all the time - your wasting your life people! It is clear that the players do like AVB and enjoy training and playing for him, the papers love to make mischief though.