#AvbIn!!

[FinnYid]

Or more like sacked while progress was finally happening?

Yeah, that 0-5 must've been the epitome of that progress.

Just go watch again the games against Sunderland and Anzhi.

I'll watch those again if you watch the whole tripe autumn again. As for cherry picking games, why don't you watch Stoke and Newcastle games again?

But its undeniable from watching the games before that one that we were finally seeing some progress in our attacking front.

We had two decent one goal margin wins against relegation zone teams (and decent draw) between two spankings.

I don't think the word vastly means what you think it does.

Oh really, look at the stats I've posted on the thread.

No, we weren't. We were keeping pace with the top four, and we were a difficult team to break down (though not impossible, as Liverpool and City proved).

No, we're keeping the pace with top four since he left. Actually we've gathered 4th most points, more than Arsenal, since departure of AVB. Though they've game less. Anyway it was always Arsenal and Liverpool to catch if anyone and under AVB we were effectively 7 points off Liverpool due goal difference and effectively 9 points off the Arsenal. Since The Clueless one left, we're on par points with Pool and one point better than Arsenal. Though they've both game in hand. So when did we actually lose the season, really?

You're an idiot if you think that. We were only 4 points away from top four and still alive in all competitions.

We were effectively 7 points off the Pool and 9 points off the Arsenal. That's a mountain to climb. And way were playing there was snowballs chance in hell winning Arsenal at the FA Cup.

FinnYid, this last post of yours is borderline trollish

Talk about pot and kettle.

 

[FinnYid]

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You're an idiot if you think that. We were only 4 points away from top four and still alive in all competitions.

Actually it was 5 points and 35(!!!) in goal difference, so practically 6 points in 16 games. But I understand why AVB fanboys need to rewrite history again on every thread by somewhat interesting stats. Few more pages and we were leading the table when Andre got the boot.

 

[FinnYid]

He didnt understand, or the players didnt understand the intricacies that AVB was trying to implement?

That's what you may get if you install head coach / manager who has played football about as much as pope. Perhaps he might have had slight idea about professional footballers and football had be ever been played more than you're average SC member.

As for your spam rating, wouldn't have to correct the stats all the time if you aveebeeboys didn't post ones in need of correction in your attempts to paint the guy as something he wasn't.

 

[parklane1]

Actually it was 5 points and 35(!!!) in goal difference, so practically 6 points in 16 games. But I understand why AVB fanboys need to rewrite history again on every thread by somewhat interesting stats. Few more pages and we were leading the table when Andre got the boot.

And we are now six points out of 4th place with the teams above us with games in hand, thank you sherwood for making us so much better.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

That's what you may get if you install head coach / manager who has played football about as much as pope. Perhaps he might have had slight idea about professional footballers and football had be ever been played more than you're average SC member.

As for your spam rating, wouldn't have to correct the stats all the time if you aveebeeboys didn't post ones in need of correction in your attempts to paint the guy as something he wasn't.

Not so much a fan boy, more someone who thinks in the short and long term he is a much better manager than Sherwood. I know he has deficiencies but they are nothing compared to what we have currently in my opinion.

 

[FinnYid]

And we are now six points out of 4th place with the teams above us with games in hand, thank you sherwood for making us so much better.

Well, losing practically 6 points over 16 games is actually quite worse than keeping the gap equal (=on same pace) since.

 

[FinnYid]

Not so much a fan boy, more someone who thinks in the short and long term he is a much better manager than Sherwood.

Hmmm - results say no.

 

[parklane1]

Well, losing practically 6 points over 16 games is actually quite worse than keeping the gap equal (=on same pace) since.

Because it suits your agenda you mean?

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Hmmm - results say no.

Across all competitions, coupled with the performances under Sherwood...you dont have much of an argument either...

 

[FinnYid]

Across all competitions, coupled with the performances under Sherwood...you dont have much of an argument either...

Yeah, because Tbilisi, Tromso, Sheriff, Hull reserves and Anzhi are comparable to Arsenal and Benfica, or even Dnipro.

But you compare the results in PL and gulf is quite remarkable, even if AVB was very lucky to get the point tally he got (there is always strong correlation between goal difference and points, we had one of the worst goal differencies in league and still managed reasonable 7th).

 

[FinnYid]

Because it suits your agenda you mean?

Well as it happens to be, most of actual facts suit my agenda. Wonder why?

But really - 16 games and you lose practically 7 & 9 points to Liverpool and Arsenal vs. 13 games where you get practically even points with them. And out of those latter is the failure or at best comparable to former. Really???

 

[nightgoat]

you do know that whoever the spurs manager is, he doesn't have any control over how the other teams do, right?

Explain how that doesn't make your claim that we were 9th when AVB left, when in actual fact we were 7th, incorrect.

 

[beats1]

Lol so is that it then?. Lets get this right - so Levy is a chairman employed by a sports and media group but he pays no attention to the media - marvellous!. How do you know that - did you ring him up and ask him.

Evidence does suggest Levy doesn't care what people think, just look at the move to stratford. In fact he has only reacted to the media once and that was the move for Modric to Chelsea

 

[nightgoat]

Well, losing practically 6 points over 16 games is actually quite worse than keeping the gap equal (=on same pace) since.

Even though the teams above us bar Chelsea have all played fewer games. If we lose tomorrow and Arsenal and Liverpool win their games in hand he'll have doubled the gap in two games fewer.

 

[FinnYid]

Even though the teams above us bar Chelsea have all played fewer games. If we lose tomorrow and Arsenal and Liverpool win their games in hand he'll have doubled the gap in two games fewer.

Well, that's just three if away and even then should we get more than 1 point of coming three we've still gathered more points in 16 than in AVBs regime.

 

[dudu]

Not so much a fan boy, more someone who thinks in the short and long term he is a much better manager than Sherwood. I know he has deficiencies but they are nothing compared to what we have currently in my opinion.

Actually, in every sense of the word, they are very similar when compared.

Both managers are vastly inexperienced - yes, vastly. Both of them.

The task AVB had to take on this was something he had never done before, and making it work would have been the first time he had built a team from practically scratch before.

He couldn't do it. He tried but for whatever reason he couldn't do it. He had much much much much much longer to instil some kind of team ethos since he first arrived and failed to find a working system for our players.

At least Tim has given us that in a couple (the 4-3-3 ve swansea/newcastle)

In my opinion, AVB's mistakes and deficiencies were worse because he is the actual manager here. He is the one who at least has some experience in the hot seat - which give him at least a notion of how not to do things. He even claimed he had learnt form his previous mistakes at Chelsea etc.

Leaving out our best players, playing weird systems, slow progress and then rather than sticking to his guns, he reacted to the media and fans by opening up the team before it was ready and undoing all the hard work he had done to make us look solid at the back.

A better manager probably, but there is absolutely nothing you can bring from his tenure at our club this year and say wow he is so much better than Tim Sherwood.

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

Cups

Avbs cup wins are boosted by playing fucking joke pub teams from Outer Mongolia like inter Yanan and Real shiteam.

The league is the only fair barometer of ability.

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

I just cannot believe there are so many people who wanted to stick with avb. Just amazes me the short memories of some.

I really wanted him to succeed, I really did. It seemed like if he did, he could build a dynasty here and we could make a real step forward.

Unfortunately the reality of this season was largely the opposite. Many utterly embarrassing defeats, awful negative football and the systematic alienation of the rest of the club.

By the end his position was untenable. The grass is always greener and now we are doing poorly under TS people are looking for alternatives.

Make no mistake, by the end avb was not an option. God knows how far we would have fallen if we had stuck with him.

Looking at the avb out thread it seems to be split between people pissed off he was sacked and people with my opinion of wanting him to do well but just realising it wasnt working and thinking him going was the correct decision.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/avb-sacked.104841/page-4

 

[jimbo]

Yeah, because Tbilisi, Tromso, Sheriff, Hull reserves and Anzhi are comparable to Arsenal and Benfica, or even Dnipro.

But you compare the results in PL and gulf is quite remarkable, even if AVB was very lucky to get the point tally he got (there is always strong correlation between goal difference and points, we had one of the worst goal differencies in league and still managed reasonable 7th).

By this logic it is only fair then to compare league games against the same opponents at the top level. So we have:
vs Chelsea - better under AVB or Tim?
vs Man City - ditto
vs Liverpool - ditto
vs Arsenal - ditto
vs Man Utd - ditto

I think we will have a better comparison once we reach the end of the season, or even the end of the month.

 

[jimbo]

Not this season it ain't. I think we'd have more chance of 4th next season than winning Europa if we have the right man in charge. A year out would be good for us, IMHO.

Could be, but we have to win the competition which is not an easy feat at all.

I somehow think attaining one of the top four spots in the league is an easier task of qualifying for Europe especially as we're talking about missing out on qualifying for the Europa League, at least then you'll have no distractions apart from domestic cups.

The problem I have with this idea is that it pre-supposes Champions League qualification is a magic bullet that will deliver success on its own.

Yes, the Champions League brings money, but surely revenue streams aren't what we care about now are they?

If you're realistic enough to accept it as extremely unlikely we'll win the Premier or Champions League any time soon then qualification doesn't really help us in the hunt for silverware.

Besides, I think it's impact is exaggerated - look at what happened to us when we did qualify, not a huge amount.

Champions League qualification is obviously a good thing and something to aspire to/get excited about but I think the fan obsession with it has gone way, way too far. I think there is a lot to be said for playing in a competition we have a better chance of winning and I think the Europa League, whilst derided in this country, is much more important in attracting European talent (remember what Rafa said when he was left out of the EL squad?) - look at Atletico Madrid, taking the Europa seriously hasn't done them any harm.

Personally, having spent a good chunk of my supporting life trying to will Spurs into Europe via the InterToto or the Fair Play League, I'm reluctant to start wishing us out of it or to carry on like we're too big for it now. Especially when we're pretty consistent at getting knocked out in the Quarter Finals.