Baldini is off...

[Buster18]

It's pretty clear in the article what he was responsible for. He wasn't brought into identify players, although he may have had a say in some. He came in to work on the clubs transfer strategy, that means sorting out our scouting(which was a mess), negotiating sales of unwanted players and dealing with the clubs that we're trying to buy from. Levy used to do all this but it was too much and he was underqualified.

Baldini might get shit from the media, who enjoyed speculating about how he was going to be sacked but if this article's on the money then there was never any such problem, we just won't need him anymore.

Clearly the main part of the strategy is player identification? He's then responsible for finding and utilising the right people to do that which he has failed to do.

The ITK surrounding the Mitchell appointment was that Baldini was bypassed completely

 

[jezz]

Clearly the main part of the strategy is player identification? He's then responsible for finding and utilising the right people to do that which he has failed to do.

The ITK surrounding the Mitchell appointment was that Baldini was bypassed completely

I could be wrong but i remember ITK suggesting this was Baldini requesting Mitchell.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Jizz everywhere when Baldini bought these players to Spurs.

So some didn't work out. I bet Baldini is scratching his head like the rest of us.

Get over it.

 

[yankspurs]

Interesting retweet from @JJetset

'@dacl1177: Forget any success he's had in the past, Franco Baldini along with Chelsea are the main reasons we are rebuilding once again! #Fraud #spursy

JJ is a Sherwood guy. Has never liked Baldini and never liked AVB.

 

[Buster18]

Jizz everywhere when Baldini bought these players to Spurs.

So some didn't work out. I bet Baldini is scratching his head like the rest of us.

Get over it.

Some?

There's jizz everywhere on here when we pretty much sign anyone.

Baldini was brought in to help ensure we had a working transfer strategy. He's taken his handsome salary for not doing what he was paid to do, we don't have a working transfer strategy and has wasted several million pounds in the process.

As for getting 'over it', what does that look like? Us all being nice about him?

 

[talkshowhost86]

Jizz everywhere when Baldini bought these players to Spurs.

So some didn't work out. I bet Baldini is scratching his head like the rest of us.

Get over it.

But we are supposed to be comparative idiots when it comes to knowledge of football against someone like Baldini, and he's being paid a hell of a lot of money (I assume) to get these decisions right.

If (and it's a big if as I still don't really understand who decides our targets) he was responsible for those signings of Lamela, Eriksen, Chiriches, Capoue, Paulinho, Soldado and Chadli, then he has to take the responsibility for the fact that only 2 of them have genuinely worked out and 4 of them (once Soldado goes) have been sold at a relatively hefty loss to the club.

It's definitely the sort of balls up that means his position is rightly being considered.

 

[SHaRD]

If he goes, I wonder who we'll replace him with?

Short odds of Cortese I reckon

 

[Hazelton]

It'll be interesting to see if we replace him. Paul Mitchell is there to identify possible transfers, but wasn't one of the main reasons Baldini was brought in because Levy wanted to be less involved in the football side of things to spend more time with his wife? That may well be wrong, I have no idea what's real or not anymore regarding Spurs.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

But we are supposed to be comparative idiots when it comes to knowledge of football against someone like Baldini, and he's being paid a hell of a lot of money (I assume) to get these decisions right.

If (and it's a big if as I still don't really understand who decides our targets) he was responsible for those signings of Lamela, Eriksen, Chiriches, Capoue, Paulinho, Soldado and Chadli, then he has to take the responsibility for the fact that only 2 of them have genuinely worked out and 4 of them (once Soldado goes) have been sold at a relatively hefty loss to the club.

It's definitely the sort of balls up that means his position is rightly being considered.

Lamela - Still very raw. You cant say this was an error...yet
Eriksen - Quality player. nothing wrong here
Chiriches - I'll give you this one
Capoue - The most exciting out of the lot. If he got more game time he would have been the DM we were crying out for. Watford have done very well here.
Paulinho - Well respected box to box midfielder. This was a good buy.
Soldado - We all wanted a fox in the box. Baldini got us one of the best in Spain. Why its not worked out is a mystery but this is not the fault of Baldini.
Chadli - He's still here an performing very well.

Like my picture earlier. We're all fucking experts when things don't go according to plan but there is no reason why any of those players should not have worked out.

 

[SFCS]

Clearly the main part of the strategy is player identification? He's then responsible for finding and utilising the right people to do that which he has failed to do.

The ITK surrounding the Mitchell appointment was that Baldini was bypassed completely

Based on what? You can't turn it all around in a day and if Baldini favours long term scouting, as most top clubs do, then you can as good as write off the 7 signings in his first summer. After that where's the failure from our scouting team? Fazio(not first choice), Davies and Stambouli(not first choice) were all solid, if a little disappointing. Vorm was a good signing, Dier looks a bargain, Yedlin's had 6 months of settling and getting used to a big step up and the rest haven't even kicked a ball for us yet.

We're also moving on unwanted players pretty quickly. AVB didn't want Dempsey, Livermore, Huddlestone or Caulker so off they went for good money(loan for Livermore). In his first summer Pochettino decided he didn't want Dawson, Livermore, Fryers, Sandro, Sigurdsson or Holtby and off they all went and again for good money. Over the past 6 months it's become clear that Pochettino didn't want Lennon, Adebayor, Chiriches, Kaboul, Paulinho, Capoue and Soldado so 4 have gone and we're supposedly making progress with 1 or 2 of the other 3. The only player we've struggled to move on since Baldini joined is Ekotto, who in the end had to be released. I don't know how much Badlini credit Baldini can take for those deals but the fact is that it's been working well.

 

[SFCS]

It'll be interesting to see if we replace him. Paul Mitchell is there to identify possible transfers, but wasn't one of the main reasons Baldini was brought in because Levy wanted to be less involved in the football side of things to spend more time with his wife? That may well be wrong, I have no idea what's real or not anymore regarding Spurs.

Bingo. He was also trying to do deals for the huge project that is the new stadium, on top of his day-to-day work and the transfer negotiations. It wasn't feasible for him to do it all virtually by himself.

 

[SHaRD]

It'll be interesting to see if we replace him. Paul Mitchell is there to identify possible transfers, but wasn't one of the main reasons Baldini was brought in because Levy wanted to be less involved in the football side of things to spend more time with his wife? That may well be wrong, I have no idea what's real or not anymore regarding Spurs.

Mitchell is a stats and computer simulations geek. He doesn't come out in the sunlight.

He doesn't do the strategic overview or boots on the ground scouting that Baldini does.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Lamela - Still very raw. You cant say this was an error...yet
Eriksen - Quality player. nothing wrong here
Chiriches - I'll give you this one
Capoue - The most exciting out of the lot. If he got more game time he would have been the DM we were crying out for. Watford have done very well here.
Paulinho - Well respected box to box midfielder. This was a good buy.
Soldado - We all wanted a fox in the box. Baldini got us one of the best in Spain. Why its not worked out is a mystery but this is not the fault of Baldini.
Chadli - He's still here an performing very well.

Like my picture earlier. We're all fucking experts when things don't go according to plan but there is no reason why any of those players should not have worked out.

I think you're being very optimistic/forgiving on some of those, and the point is that whilst we all agreed that they were good buys at the time, we're not the ones being paid to make these decisions. Baldini is, and to get only get 2 out of 7 purchases right (perhaps to be 3 if Lamela ever comes good) with a once in a lifetime windfall means that he is rightly under scrutiny.

 

[alfie103]

Lamela - Still very raw. You cant say this was an error...yet
Eriksen - Quality player. nothing wrong here
Chiriches - I'll give you this one
Capoue - The most exciting out of the lot. If he got more game time he would have been the DM we were crying out for. Watford have done very well here.
Paulinho - Well respected box to box midfielder. This was a good buy.
Soldado - We all wanted a fox in the box. Baldini got us one of the best in Spain. Why its not worked out is a mystery but this is not the fault of Baldini.
Chadli - He's still here an performing very well.

Like my picture earlier. We're all fucking experts when things don't go according to plan but there is no reason why any of those players should not have worked out.

Lamela - Well he hasn't justified the price we have paid for him. It isn't the players fault but Baldini paid too much for him.
Eriksen - Good buy and can't knock this one.
Chiriches - If Baldini recommended this, then this is a really poor piece of judgment as he just wasn't a PL centre half.
Capoue - Not a great signing as he seemed to be quite lazy and wasn't great defensively but he did well in France. We didn't break the bank and got rid for a relatively small loss.
Paulinho - Probably the worst buy. Paulinho was one of the worst players spurs have had in the last 5-6 years and we took a big loss. Seemed to be bought off one good confederations cup tournament.
Soldado - Just didn't adapt to the premier league but had a good record in La Liga and AVB didn't set the team up to his strengths.
Chadli - Good Signing.

 

[Buster18]

Based on what? You can't turn it all around in a day and if Baldini favours long term scouting, as most top clubs do, then you can as good as write off the 7 signings in his first summer. After that where's the failure from our scouting team? Fazio(not first choice), Davies and Stambouli(not first choice) were all solid, if a little disappointing. Vorm was a good signing, Dier looks a bargain, Yedlin's had 6 months of settling and getting used to a big step up and the rest haven't even kicked a ball for us yet.

We're also moving on unwanted players pretty quickly. AVB didn't want Dempsey, Livermore, Huddlestone or Caulker so off they went for good money(loan for Livermore). In his first summer Pochettino decided he didn't want Dawson, Livermore, Fryers, Sandro, Sigurdsson or Holtby and off they all went and again for good money. Over the past 6 months it's become clear that Pochettino didn't want Lennon, Adebayor, Chiriches, Kaboul, Paulinho, Capoue and Soldado so 4 have gone and we're supposedly making progress with 1 or 2 of the other 3. The only player we've struggled to move on since Baldini joined is Ekotto, who in the end had to be released. I don't know how much Badlini credit Baldini can take for those deals but the fact is that it's been working well.

Based on the fact he's been here 2 years and the transfer strategy during his time has been a disaster. He's now leaving and our strategy has arguably got worse.

 

[SHaRD]

Based on the fact he's been here 2 years and the transfer strategy during his time has been a disaster. He's now leaving and our strategy has arguably got worse.

He inherited a terrible situation.

Our scouting department was almost completely wound up between 2008-12. We had virtually no staff and no decent data/files.

He had to come in and within his first 8 weeks (remember he only started in July 2012), completely overhaul the team, with no support/groundwork/infrastructure. Levy told him to invest all the Bale money into assets, so we didn't end up being taxed on it.

Since then he's completely rebuilt our scouting and analysis department (4-5 major staffing appointments in the last 6 months, including Mitchell).

DoF's always focus 2-4 years into the future. The fruits of Baldini's work should almost be judged from now on. The chaos of the last few years has been the consequence of the short-termism of the Redknapp regime.

 

[markiespurs]

Hard to be pleased or displeased with this news without exactly knowing what Baldini did at the cub

 

[SHaRD]

This is just a yawn-worthy rumour anyway. The same one as we had last summer.

Hopefully he'll see out the rest of his 2 year contract at least - DoFs need to be in it for the long haul to work properly.

 

[Buster18]

He inherited a terrible situation.

Our scouting department was almost completely wound up between 2008-12. We had virtually no staff and no decent data/files.

He had to come in and within his first 8 weeks (remember he only started in July 2012), completely overhaul the team, with no support/groundwork/infrastructure. Levy told him to invest all the Bale money into assets, so we didn't end up being taxed on it.

Since then he's completely rebuilt our scouting and analysis department (4-5 major staffing appointments in the last 6 months, including Mitchell).

DoF's always focus 2-4 years into the future. The fruits of Baldini's work should almost be judged from now on. The chaos of the last few years has been the consequence of the short-termism of the Redknapp regime.

I'll have to take your word for all of that.

What is a fact, even if all of that were true, he's presided over the biggest and most disastrous spend in our history and to date, we've spent approx £135m on 14 players. Only 3 can be classed as value, (Eriksen, Chadli & Dier) and the rest have either been punted for a loss or have an incredibly patient jury judging them.

As for Redknapp's short termism. Interesting that Harry seems to get the blame for that but i'm struggling to think of any 'long termism' in our signings since we signed Huddlestone, Lennon, Dawson, Defoe over a decade ago.

What we do know is that under his reign we had Hazard and Courtois wanting to sign for us and the powers that be failed to do the deal.

 

[jonnyp]

Jizz everywhere when Baldini bought these players to Spurs.

So some didn't work out. I bet Baldini is scratching his head like the rest of us.

Get over it.

Some? How about most.