Bentley's corners?? Rubbish!!

[Michey]

Gio?

I would also like to see dos Santos as RW. He was good at that position when playing for barca

 

[Leachie]

football is a wonderful game - so many people watch and almost everyone see's something different - Lennon our best player - stop it - he could'nt deliver a ball if got to use DHL - shocking delivery - lovely build up - no end product - another reason why we are not looking good right now

You mean like the one he delivered into the path of Bentley who scored?

 

[Leachie]

Bentley DID have a shocker last night despite his goal. I am pretty certain he will start to deliver sooner rather than later though.

 

[mil1lion]

He needs a run of games on the right wing and he'll be great.

 

[Evolution]

I would agree. Bentley's delivery was woeful and a real gutter as isn't that after-all what we bought him for?

I would give him a few more games but if no improvement then I would put Lennon back on the right midfield (our best player this seaosn imho), move Bale up to left midifled and play Essou-Ekotto at left back.

 

[mil1lion]

Our best player so far this season isn't Lennon imo, he has done quiete well though. Some will say his ball for Bentley's goal was a lucky ball but he does it quiete often. He pulls the ball back to catch defenders on their heels, but it doesn't always come off. It workes well last night though.

My player of the season so far is Woodgate though. Great recovery to save the blushes of King last night too.

 

[DC_Boy]

bentley wasn't good - but even this season he still has more end product than lennon - a goal and an assist to an assist

and last season he was way superior

also it seems capello rates him higher than lennon

threfore I'd still go for bentley over lennon

note for example that JJ who does a lot more good work than lennon, also has more end product than lennon already this season, (a goal and an assist likewise with bentley)- and my guess is that would be repeated for each of the last three seasons

lennon doesn't have enough end product for a player who is primarily offensive and doesn't do enough in terms of tackling passing tracking back intercepting etc to justify his place in a way that say jj could (and I'd guess o'hara though I don't know his stats so well - o'hara also puts the bite in in a way none of our other mids do - very useful tho hard to see from stats)

Campbell's been on the pitch for about half an hour and has equalled Lennon's end product already

I don't dislike lennon and think he is a vital part of our squad- but he has to deliver more - yesterday's assist was a good start - let's see more of it when he gets his chances which he will

but I'd still go for bentley on sunday - however if lennon starts he gets my full support of course

bentley jj o'hara zokora pav/campbell bent - probably for the front six on sunday

incidentaly lennon's not our best player this season, jj and woodgate would be 2 of my choices ahead of him - probably bent too, and I think bale is soon going to come into contention once the assists/goals come to add to his good contributions already

yes he's a LB but he has licence to go forward and so for that we need to see some end product too offensively and well as the key defensive parts of his role

 

[fozzi44]

why does it always have to be a matter of who is better - Lennon or Bentley, Defoe or Keane or some other likely comparasin with us spurs fans.

Both Lennon and Bentley have their own attritubes, very different and that is good for the team. Why do we fail to recognise that we are trying our best to find form. Bentley has only played a few times for the club and by all accounts was doing a lot of training on this own over the summer thus his fitness probably isnt the best.

At a time when we all need to get behind the team it is more than irritating to come on this board to read the pessimistic, over critical nonsense posted by people on here. A pack of moaning yapping women.

Lets face it Bentley got us a goal, we should have had another one allowed and truth be told Wisla were lucky enough getting one back so quickly. WE could and should easily be sitting here 3-0 victors.

 

[PYiddy]

if you were sitting where i sit, you would have seen that for the last 20-30 odd mins, he was absolutly wasted. he seemed incredibly off the pace physically. He doesnt seen very match-fit.

 

[alextheyid]

Dreadful. He made Michael Carricks dead ball delivery look like David Beckhams.



True that. I think he may be trying too hard. Like with the PR stuff. Needs to clear his head. Or just get into regular footy so he forgets to think too much.



True again.




Also, true. This is a disconcertingly accurate and right on thread in Spurs Chat directly after a game. Something wrong this way came.



Again. Agree. Please, for my sake. Stop now. I'll gold it if we just stop.



Ah, that's better.

Mate, loads of goals are scored from corners. Especially against us. This season already the Boro goal came from the wing after a corner was cleared, and Chelsea's too, of course. Out of a typical Premiership weekend, let's say 20-25 goals are scored. You can bet 2 at least will be resulting from corners. That's 10% in a game.

We have King, Woodgate, Corluka, Pavlyuchenko, Bent, and Jenas who are all excellent in the air and you would expect at least 4 of those 6 to be in the box for every corner we take. I can't remember us being able to divert an effort from a corner on goal yet, though. That's truly shocking.

Dead ball kicks win tight games.

Ergo, if ours a shit, we won't win games.

*Checks league table*


Much becomes clear, yeah?

haha, you were in agreement overdrive then and it was ruined huh? Although i have to point out that in the first half a corner DID exceed the first man and woodgate DID head it on target and their keeper did well..

other than that- good points!

 

[alextheyid]

why does it always have to be a matter of who is better - Lennon or Bentley, Defoe or Keane or some other likely comparasin with us spurs fans.

Both Lennon and Bentley have their own attritubes, very different and that is good for the team. Why do we fail to recognise that we are trying our best to find form. Bentley has only played a few times for the club and by all accounts was doing a lot of training on this own over the summer thus his fitness probably isnt the best.

At a time when we all need to get behind the team it is more than irritating to come on this board to read the pessimistic, over critical nonsense posted by people on here. A pack of moaning yapping women.

Lets face it Bentley got us a goal, we should have had another one allowed and truth be told Wisla were lucky enough getting one back so quickly. WE could and should easily be sitting here 3-0 victors.

were they though? or did we just fall apart in exstasy having taken the lead for the first time this season?

 

[fozzi44]

were they though? or did we just fall apart in exstasy having taken the lead for the first time this season?

well even if they werent it still should have been 3-1. Anyway Zokora made a mistake, gave the ball away too cheaply, IMO they were lucky getting one back so quickly, was a decent goal tho.

 

[sharky127]

I know its the Sun, but they had Bentley as the star man....did they actually bother to watch the match??
Also had move of the match as Bentleys goal?? What about Bents most definately not offside goal?

 

[si_yidarmy]

Coys

 

[danielneeds]

lennon doesn't have enough end product for a player who is primarily offensive and doesn't do enough in terms of tackling passing tracking back intercepting etc to justify his place in a way that say jj could (and I'd guess o'hara though I don't know his stats so well - o'hara also puts the bite in in a way none of our other mids do - very useful tho hard to see from stats)

The problem I have with Lennon is that he must know he is going to have to play more on the left this year, yet it looks like he has made no effort to start training up his left foot. In this month's 442 Chrissy Waddle said that when he got moved to the opposite wing it took him about 4 months spending about an hour a day practicing crossing with his weaker foot and he was totally comfortable. Now Lennon is no Waddle, and probably never will be, but I'm sure if he applied himself in this way he could improve it to the level that, say, Ashley Young has.

 

[rez9000]

:rofl:

At first I thought, hmm fair point, yes reasonable..

But its a pretty stupid excuse for his poor crossing if you ask me - is your post a joke? :razz: No disrespect, a very well researched and thought out reply to the article, but it bears no justification for his poor delivery.

Its like saying his right foot had programmed into it a certain level of power and elevation that would always deliver the ball perfectly into the box and this programming means his delivery at WHL is a little bit too high and long - pretty stupid when you come to think about it isnt it.

Players deliver from all over the pitch, so obviously he needs to adjust how hard and how much whip he puts on the ball, furthermore if you play football - you will know the position you are in will depend how hard you hit the ball towards your destination.

These guys are getting paid millions of pounds a year, I think its fair to ask them to be able to decide in the given scenario just how hard or soft they should be kicking a football.

Many of his deliveries have failed to even surpass the first man, so yeah...swiftly moving on..:roll:

In actuality, soup's point is very well made. It's called muscle memory and any professional athlete will tell you how important it is.

As an example, do you think a tennis player thinks about exactly how to play every shot he/she makes? No, because they've trained enough so that the majority of their strokes are done automatically and all they need to do is pick which one they wish to use. Virtually every athlete relies on muscle memory to get the job done. So, perhaps DB does need to get used to the size of the pitch.

Try this. Move a utensil in your kitchen from one place to another. I can virtually guarantee that for the first few times you'll go to it's old position to get it before you get used to it.

It's the same priniciple as muscle memory and it has nothing to do with how much you get paid. The human body is designed to fall into routine to conserve energy, and it applies everywhere. Do you think about every step you take when you're walking down the road? Of course not! Or do you have to concentrate in order to swallow a mouthful of food? No. All these things have become ingrained in your brain because you've practised it so often it has become instinctive. And an athlete's body will remember the ways in which it has done things in the past. In order to do things differently it has to unlearn what it knew before and then relearn it.

Although he didn't play exclusively at Ewood Park, the majority of his playing time will have been there and so DB may need some time to adjust his game.

Alternatively, it could just be down to a lack confidence at the moment. Regardless, I think David Bentley is a great signing and I'm sure that soon enough he'll be dropping pinpoint freekicks and corners, right into the heart of the opposition's six yard box for Darren to nod in.

 

[Leachie]

In actuality, soup's point is very well made. It's called muscle memory and any professional athlete will tell you how important it is.

As an example, do you think a tennis player thinks about exactly how to play every shot he/she makes? No, because they've trained enough so that the majority of their strokes are done automatically and all they need to do is pick which one they wish to use. Virtually every athlete relies on muscle memory to get the job done. So, perhaps DB does need to get used to the size of the pitch.

Try this. Move a utensil in your kitchen from one place to another. I can virtually guarantee that for the first few times you'll go to it's old position to get it before you get used to it.

It's the same priniciple as muscle memory and it has nothing to do with how much you get paid. The human body is designed to fall into routine to conserve energy, and it applies everywhere. Do you think about every step you take when you're walking down the road? Of course not! Or do you have to concentrate in order to swallow a mouthful of food? No. All these things have become ingrained in your brain because you've practised it so often it has become instinctive. And an athlete's body will remember the ways in which it has done things in the past. In order to do things differently it has to unlearn what it knew before and then relearn it.

Although he didn't play exclusively at Ewood Park, the majority of his playing time will have been there and so DB may need some time to adjust his game.

Alternatively, it could just be down to a lack confidence at the moment. Regardless, I think David Bentley is a great signing and I'm sure that soon enough he'll be dropping pinpoint freekicks and corners, right into the heart of the opposition's six yard box for Darren to nod in.

Come off it. The only way that would apply is if Bentley crossed from the same part of the pitch every time and, bar corners, that doesn't happen.

Tennis is played in a much smaller, confined area so I can see how that possibly applies there.

So, I think you are closer to the mark when you speak of his confidence.

 

[Kendall]

He's trying very hard to force the issue and isn't in his stride yet. He is one of the ones thast appears to be really feeling the pressure. Probably because his dad will rinse himevery time the team plays shit.

 

[rich75]

Come off it. The only way that would apply is if Bentley crossed from the same part of the pitch every time and, bar corners, that doesn't happen.

Tennis is played in a much smaller, confined area so I can see how that possibly applies there.

So, I think you are closer to the mark when you speak of his confidence.

I'm not so sure, there is certainly the principle that when you don't think too much about something but just do it instinctively you tend to get better results. The amount of strikers who can ping it into the top corner without so much as a look up , yet struggle with one on ones surely proves that.
Bentley must have crossed the ball from nearly very part of the last third of the pitch and when at blackburn was confident enough to just do it without thinking too much about it. Now at a new club and trying to prove himself my guess is he's over complicating things and of course every time he doesn't get it quite right it then preys on his mind the next. Keane is suffering the same problem at Anfield IMO. If Bentley just relaxes, his muscle memory as Rez puts it, will get back into the groove and all will be well...... in theory :wink:

 

[DJS]

Yes I've been disapointed with Bentey's set pieces and would like to see Bale given more opportunities and his corners and free kicks were quality last season from the few games he played - made a big difference to the team.