Bitterness for Sherwood

[KILLA_SIN]

Bentaleb: "It has been a difficult path for me to get where I am today, I was released a few times and many clubs didn't want to open their doors for me. Lille let me go when I was 14, just at the time you start seriously dreaming of becoming a professional footballer. That was a very tough time for me and I had two choices: I could either give up and not fight for what I wanted or try to show them they were wrong. The trial at Tottenham was very important for me, I didn't want to put pressure on myself by thinking it was my last chance. I just wanted to impress the coaches. Fortunately, I was able to do that and it was enough to secure a move here."

I doubt anyone makes sole decisions about anything at Spurs, but as Technical Co-ordinator youth recruitment came under Sherwood's aegis, as did youth tactics. He may not have been the sole mover, but nothing happened without his approval. And do you think Tim is the easy going sort of bloke who lets his subordinates get on with things without shoving his oar in?

You are right that he does not need to be so critical of Spurs big money signings, it leaves a slightly bitter taste. But his agenda is to demonstrate that Spurs should be putting faith in home grown players, rather than splurging on players who are not proven in English football. I agree with him.

It takes just as long for a young English youth player to settle into a first team or the EPL as it does any foreign player. And you always have

 

[Bulletspur]

Why not counting Bentaleb and Mason? Neither were in the plan's of Sherwood's predecessor, which is surely more relevant. And yes I want to see us give our youth players a chance before going into the market place. Our squad is bloated and some of our big money signings need to be moved on in order to give the youngsters a chance, as Poch seems to have realised.

I didnt count them as Poch has continued with them which is kudos to Tim. If he hadn't then you would have every reason to be aggrieved on Tim's behalf. And back to my original question, not counting Bentaleb and Mason, who from the development team would you "give a chance" by replacing anyone of Lamela, Capoui, Soldado and Chadli?

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Ok after we have fucking Tim Sherwood continuously slating Soldado and even comparing effort in training in order to big up Harry Kane on TV (the whole 'out trained' line etc).

Trix on Coys has said that Soldado is 'one of, if not the hardest trainer at the Club'

Just goes to show again that Sherwood either completely alienated players or lies all day long.

(As an aside, infer no criticism of Kane from this post, really rate the kid and always have done.)

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Ok after we have fucking Tim Sherwood continuously slating Soldado and even comparing effort in training in order to big up Harry Kane on TV (the whole 'out trained' line etc).

Trix on Coys has said that Soldado is 'one of, if not the hardest trainer at the Club'

Just goes to show again that Sherwood either completely alienated players or lies all day long.

(As an aside, infer no criticism of Kane from this post, really rate the kid and always have done.)

Didn't Trix also say that Lennon had been told he was on his toes?

El Capitan.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Didn't Trix also say that Lennon had been told he was on his toes?

El Capitan.

He has said that he is one of four players that has been told they can look for another club. as well as Pauli.

 

[eddiebailey]

I didnt count them as Poch has continued with them which is kudos to Tim. If he hadn't then you would have every reason to be aggrieved on Tim's behalf. And back to my original question, not counting Bentaleb and Mason, who from the development team would you "give a chance" by replacing anyone of Lamela, Capoui, Soldado and Chadli?

Kane obviously, Townsend is struggling, but I am backing him to turn it around, and Carroll I still rate. I would also be disappointed to see us part with Veljkovic, Fredericks, Pritchard and Ceballos without us giving them a shot. Veljkovic is a holding midfielder with a good passing range, much in the Capoue mould; Fredericks fits the bill for a rb in a 4-2-3-1 system; Pritchard has a touch of Eriksen about him; and Ceballos and Lamela are cut from similar cloth - I suspect Erik is the better prospect, but without seeing them at the same level it is hard to be definite. Which is kind of the point - you do not know for sure who is going to cut it until you give them a go, and if we keep up our revolving door of big money signings that is not going to happen.

I have concerns about Poch, but I do think our youth development is reasonably safe in his hands, so on that score Tim's departure does not bother me as much as it would have done if we had appointed someone like Benetiz or Moyes.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

He has said that he is one of four players that has been told they can look for another club. as well as Pauli.

And he was captain last night? Very odd if true.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

I'm not trying to belittle anything Sherwood actually did, but no-one really knows or has been able to provide tangible evidence of what he actually did and to keep saying "he did this" and "he did that" (as you and SI have done recently) when really all it is is guesswork based on no more than his public persona or character is a bit flimsy.

This goes the other way with people calling him a "snake" or "back-stabber" with no proof of this, only their own opinions of the man. Very unfair in my opinion to brand him as something without proof.

I'll say it again, that he took a job that basically nobody else seemed to be interested in at the time he was appointed.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

This goes the other way with people calling him a "snake" or "back-stabber" with no proof of this, only their own opinions of the man. Very unfair in my opinion to brand him as something without proof.

I'll say it again, that he took a job that basically nobody else seemed to be interested in at the time he was appointed.

Abso-fucking-lutely.

 

[Dirty Ewok]

And he was captain last night? Very odd if true.

Kaboul, Ade and Hugo were all out last night....

Lennon was the most senior player on the squad and has worn the armband before for essentially the same reason....so, not all that odd.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Kaboul, Ade and Hugo were all out last night....

Lennon was the most senior player on the squad and has worn the armband before for essentially the same reason....so, not all that odd.

Exceptionally odd if he's not part of the plans and has been told he can leave. That's not captain material no matter what the game.

 

[Norwegian Spurs fan]

Tim I remember how surprised I was when we played Soton away in your debut as Spurs manager we won and you gave young Bentaleb his debut. But after that, you where more or less just part of and responsible for another "false dawn at Spurs". Mocking players and the board, yes, anybody but yourself. Accusing the Benfica boss Jorge of lacking class, you lost your coat and cool against Arsenal and slating AVB after Spurs lost heavily to the so called top teams but Spurs lost heavily with you in charge as well, but you did not, at any time, take any responsibility.

Then when you realized you where a failure (if you ever did?) you tried the old trick to play clever in the media. But you failed again and look now, you are just a small part of our history, a failure,a found out wannabe, big headed and foulmouthed, lacking class and perspective. When Glenn Hoddle was our manager back in the days you "backstabbed" him to such a degree that you should never ever be allowed to enter WHL in my opinion.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

So anything positive about Sherwood needs to be proven beyond the slightest doubt, but anything negative is taken as read?

Not at all. The thing is, the negative stuff, the reason's why many disliked him is all pretty public stuff. It's the things he did as a coach - i.e. the reality of his tactics and decisions not matching his pre match rhetoric, like saying I want to compete in midfield and playing Chadli and Sigurdsson in there, his tactics being incredibly basic and having no really systematic theme. Then there was all the chippy stuff - him v the world - and the xenophobic crap, and the making public of his every thought about players, Baldini, Levy. The clear attempt to make AVB and Baldini look like ****s. As you acknowledge yourself, his general persona just grated with many.

I'm sure he must have contributed positive things. He deserves much credit for playing Bentaleb IMO. But whenever I have asked anyone for examples of other stuff, they cannot give me a single clear proven or established example of what. It's all "well his job title was this , so he must have done that" or "with his character he must have been the one doing that".

He had no coaching qualification. Our academy/development group already had an excellent top to bottom philosophy put in place by John McDermott. This we now because we have all read his manifesto and coaching manuals and can see this evidenced in the way the development group go about things. We already had some excellent, highly qualified and experienced coaches such as Inglethorpe and Ramsey (and others).

The blurb that was published with freund's appointment to Sherwood's old job suggest a more administrative role, over seeing international recruitment, development and loans etc.

Whether that was the case with Sherwood is anyone's guess as no-one seems to know.

 

[eddiebailey]

Ok after we have fucking Tim Sherwood continuously slating Soldado and even comparing effort in training in order to big up Harry Kane on TV (the whole 'out trained' line etc).

Trix on Coys has said that Soldado is 'one of, if not the hardest trainer at the Club'

Just goes to show again that Sherwood either completely alienated players or lies all day long.

(As an aside, infer no criticism of Kane from this post, really rate the kid and always have done.)

Tim did not say Harry worked harder in training; he said he was better in training.

I do not think Tim has any personal agenda against either Soldado or Lamela, he is just using their difficulties to make the case for persisting with homegrown talents rather than attempting to buy success.

I would, however, be very interested to hear what he really thinks of the likes of Paulinho, Dembele and Vertonghen… Interestingly he and Sandro seem reconciled: I think Tim was cool with conflict so long as it got a positive reaction, as seems also to have been the case also with Chadli, and perhaps Capoue before he became injured; but it may be that this approach did not go down so well with others.

 

[Kendall]

Tim I remember how surprised I was when we played Soton away in your debut as Spurs manager we won and you gave young Bentaleb his debut. But after that, you where more or less just part of and responsible for another "false dawn at Spurs". Mocking players and the board, yes, anybody but yourself. Accusing the Benfica boss Jorge of lacking class, you lost your coat and cool against Arsenal and slating AVB after Spurs lost heavily to the so called top teams but Spurs lost heavily with you in charge as well, but you did not, at any time, take any responsibility.

Then when you realized you where a failure (if you ever did?) you tried the old trick to play clever in the media. But you failed again and look now, you are just a small part of our history, a failure,a found out wannabe, big headed and foulmouthed, lacking class and perspective. When Glenn Hoddle was our manager back in the days you "backstabbed" him to such a degree that you should never ever be allowed to enter WHL in my opinion.

Got us loadsa points and loadsa goals though. I din't think he was a failure, I thought he was always a stop gap and got the results I expected, by and large.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Why not counting Bentaleb and Mason? Neither were in the plan's of Sherwood's predecessor, which is surely more relevant. And yes I want to see us give our youth players a chance before going into the market place. Our squad is bloated and some of our big money signings need to be moved on in order to give the youngsters a chance, as Poch seems to have realised.

Tim didn't give Mason any game time ? Pochettino is the first manager we've had to give him any serious consideration as a EPL player.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Didn't Trix also say that Lennon had been told he was on his toes?

El Capitan.

The fact that Lennon isn't getting a game in the EPL (and hasn't even made the bench a couple of times) would suggest that he has been told he can look elsewhere wouldn't you think ?

 

[mpickard2087]

Tim didn't give Mason any game time ? Pochettino is the first manager we've had to give him any serious consideration as a EPL player.

Someone last year must have been fighting Mason's case in order to get him a 3 year contract when all seemed lost for him, to be fair.

 

[eddiebailey]

Tim I remember how surprised I was when we played Soton away in your debut as Spurs manager we won and you gave young Bentaleb his debut. But after that, you where more or less just part of and responsible for another "false dawn at Spurs". Mocking players and the board, yes, anybody but yourself. Accusing the Benfica boss Jorge of lacking class, you lost your coat and cool against Arsenal and slating AVB after Spurs lost heavily to the so called top teams but Spurs lost heavily with you in charge as well, but you did not, at any time, take any responsibility.

Then when you realized you where a failure (if you ever did?) you tried the old trick to play clever in the media. But you failed again and look now, you are just a small part of our history, a failure,a found out wannabe, big headed and foulmouthed, lacking class and perspective. When Glenn Hoddle was our manager back in the days you "backstabbed" him to such a degree that you should never ever be allowed to enter WHL in my opinion.

To be fair Jorge patently did lack class. As on that occasion did Tim. I found it quite embarrassing.

But when did Tim mock players? And when was he foul-mouthed??

As for backstabbing Glen, yes there were occasions during his playing career when Tim behaved appallingly, and not just where Glen was concerned. Having said that Glen is a terrible man manager, who could not cope with insubordination. I get the impression Tim rather respects insubordination, so this is not necessarily a case of double standards.

As for being found out as a failure, his points tally begs to differ - as does the points tally of his successor with the same players.

 

[Kendall]

The fact that Lennon isn't getting a game in the EPL (and hasn't even made the bench a couple of times) would suggest that he has been told he can look elsewhere wouldn't you think ?

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