Bitterness for Sherwood

[shelfmonkey]

Yeah, but I wouldn't blame the skoda for my stupidity.

Too right!!



I'd blame the missus!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

It's just typical media fodder bullshit. They showed him Lamela's two goals against Asteras and it was "yeah, was alright, but it was against a pub team, so it doesn't mean much". They show him Kane's tap in against Brighton's reserves and he was sucking himself off over it, it was "that was amazing, he starts the move on the left, then amazingly gets himself into the box and finishes it beautifully with his instep, I couldn't believe how he did that, incredible, I had to look twice to believe it, that's what the boy's all about"


It's not truth he speaks, it's jingoistic agenda driven clap trap designed to make him popular with Sun reading cocknockers and insure he's always in demand for sound bites if his managerial career toilets.

I wanted him to given the job because I hoped he'd bring the tactics and players from the development group with him. I hoped the nasty **** he was as a player would transmit into a ruthless manager. But all he did was was go to the Redknapp lottery tactics book. We ended up with Eriksen, Siggurdsson and fucking Chadli as CM's. He sold Adam Smith, left Pritchard, Mason and Carroll on loan, gave Bentaleb some games then dropped him because he was getting shit for it despite Bentaleb playing well, and gave Kane 3 or 4 games. And when he wan't spouting his xenophobic crap (because occasionally he remembered most of his best players including the one digging him out all his results - Adebayor - was foreign) he was spouting other unnecessary embarrassing verbal diarrhoea about Vertonghen, Sandro, Lamela, Baldini & Levy.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

It's just typical media fodder bullshit. They showed him Lamela's two goals against Asteras and it was "yeah, was alright, but it was against a pub team, so it doesn't mean much". They show him Kane's tap in against Brighton's reserves and he was sucking himself off over it, it was "that was amazing, he starts the move on the left, then amazingly gets himself into the box and finishes it beautifully with his instep, I couldn't believe how he did that, incredible, I had to look twice to believe it, that's what the boy's all about"


It's not truth he speaks, it's jingoistic agenda driven clap trap designed to make him popular with Sun reading cocknockers and insure he's always in demand for sound bites if his managerial career toilets.

I wanted him to given the job because I hoped he'd bring the tactics and players from the development group with him. I hoped the nasty **** he was as a player would transmit into a ruthless manager. But all he did was was go to the Redknapp lottery tactics book. We ended up with Eriksen, Siggurdsson and fucking Chadli as CM's. He sold Adam Smith, left Pritchard, Mason and Carroll on loan, gave Bentaleb some games then dropped him because he was getting shit for it despite Bentaleb playing well, and gave Kane 3 or 4 games. And when he wan't spouting his xenophobic crap (because occasionally he remembered most of his best players including the one digging him out all his results - Adebayor - was foreign) he was spouting other unnecessary embarrassing verbal diarrhoea about Vertonghen, Sandro, Lamela, Baldini & Levy.

 

[eddiebailey]

I do not think it is necessarily a bad thing that Sherwood is eager to sing the praises of the players who have come through Spurs youth system. They are his proteges after all. He is also passionate that young English players if trained correctly and given the opportunities can compare technically with other nationalities.

I think his problem with Lamela is that we paid £30 million for a player who was not ready to play in the Premiership, rather than develop our own youth players - and that is regardless of the nationality of those players. It was after all Tim who signed Nabil when no other club would touch him, and gave him his debut, and who also recruited the likes of Veljkovic, Ceballos, Coulibaly, Gomelt etc into the development squad.

There is some patriotism in his attitude, but not I think jingoism or xenophobia.

 

[Greenspur]

I don't really hold any grudges or bitterness toward anyone who used to/still does play/manage/own Spurs*

*Well, maybe Sol but even with him it's turned into a vague disinterest now that he's become an irrelevance.

And perhaps Sugar? He constantly mocks Spurs.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I do not think it is necessarily a bad thing that Sherwood is eager to sing the praises of the players who have come through Spurs youth system. They are his proteges after all. He is also passionate that young English players if trained correctly and given the opportunities can compare technically with other nationalities.

I think his problem with Lamela is that we paid £30 million for a player who was not ready to play in the Premiership, rather than develop our own youth players - and that is regardless of the nationality of those players. It was after all Tim who signed Nabil when no other club would touch him, and gave him his debut, and who also recruited the likes of Veljkovic, Ceballos, Coulibaly, Gomelt etc into the development squad.

There is some patriotism in his attitude, but not I think jingoism or xenophobia.

You don't have to knock one to praise the other, as he went out of his way to do last night. He was doing it even before Lamela had kicked a ball for him.

Surely it's an exaggeration to say "no one else would touch Bentaleb". How an earth would you know that ?

And I would genuinely like to know how you know Sherwood made the (sole) decisions that brought those players to our club ?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Which tv channel was Sherwood on last night?

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

And I would genuinely like to know how you know Sherwood made the (sole) decisions that brought those players to our club ?

Sherwood posted a screenshot of his FM save on twitter.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Which tv channel was Sherwood on last night?

Bein Sport.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Which tv channel was Sherwood on last night?

BEIN

 

[eddiebailey]

You don't have to knock one to praise the other, as he went out of his way to do last night. He was doing it even before Lamela had kicked a ball for him.

Surely it's an exaggeration to say "no one else would touch Bentaleb". How an earth would you know that ?

And I would genuinely like to know how you know Sherwood made the (sole) decisions that brought those players to our club ?

Bentaleb: "It has been a difficult path for me to get where I am today, I was released a few times and many clubs didn't want to open their doors for me. Lille let me go when I was 14, just at the time you start seriously dreaming of becoming a professional footballer. That was a very tough time for me and I had two choices: I could either give up and not fight for what I wanted or try to show them they were wrong. The trial at Tottenham was very important for me, I didn't want to put pressure on myself by thinking it was my last chance. I just wanted to impress the coaches. Fortunately, I was able to do that and it was enough to secure a move here."

I doubt anyone makes sole decisions about anything at Spurs, but as Technical Co-ordinator youth recruitment came under Sherwood's aegis, as did youth tactics. He may not have been the sole mover, but nothing happened without his approval. And do you think Tim is the easy going sort of bloke who lets his subordinates get on with things without shoving his oar in?

You are right that he does not need to be so critical of Spurs big money signings, it leaves a slightly bitter taste. But his agenda is to demonstrate that Spurs should be putting faith in home grown players, rather than splurging on players who are not proven in English football. I agree with him.

 

[Blackcanary]

Bentaleb: "It has been a difficult path for me to get where I am today, I was released a few times and many clubs didn't want to open their doors for me. Lille let me go when I was 14, just at the time you start seriously dreaming of becoming a professional footballer. That was a very tough time for me and I had two choices: I could either give up and not right for what I wanted or try to show them they were wrong. The trial at Tottenham was very important for me, I didn't want to put pressure on myself by thinking it was my last chance. I just wanted to impress the coaches. Fortunately, I was able to do that and it was enough to secure a move here."

I doubt anyone makes sole decisions about anything at Spurs, but as Technical Co-ordinator youth recruitment came under Sherwood's aegis, as did youth tactics. He may not have been the sole mover, but nothing happened without his approval. And do you think Tim is the easy going sort of bloke who lets his subordinates get on with things without shoving his oar in?

You are right that he does not need to be so critical of Spurs big money signings, it leaves a slightly bitter taste. But his agenda is to demonstrate that Spurs should be putting faith in home grown players, rather than splurging on players who are not proven in English football. I agree with him.

But wasn't he part of our transfer committee? As you say, he's not one to sit meekly in a corner - why doesn't our transfer strategy over the past few years reflect anything he's been saying?

 

[Bulletspur]

When AVB was sacked and Sherwood was touted as taking over, I for one herald it and gave at the time, very pertinent reasons why this was a good idea.
Long story short, at the end I couldn't wait to see the back of him. The in between is a matter of documented history

 

[SteveH]

Not the brightest of people was our Tim. Got peoples backs up for no reason. Self opinionated and a big head without the success to back it up.

 

[Gbspurs]

Tbf Kane's play for his goal was brilliant. The reverse ball was intelligent and well executed and he did what all good strikers do and thought if he got in the box he might get an opportunity to score, which he did.

There is no way Adebayor would have done that. Kane is going to be top class no doubt about it.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Bentaleb: "It has been a difficult path for me to get where I am today, I was released a few times and many clubs didn't want to open their doors for me. Lille let me go when I was 14, just at the time you start seriously dreaming of becoming a professional footballer. That was a very tough time for me and I had two choices: I could either give up and not right for what I wanted or try to show them they were wrong. The trial at Tottenham was very important for me, I didn't want to put pressure on myself by thinking it was my last chance. I just wanted to impress the coaches. Fortunately, I was able to do that and it was enough to secure a move here."

I doubt anyone makes sole decisions about anything at Spurs, but as Technical Co-ordinator youth recruitment came under Sherwood's aegis, as did youth tactics. He may not have been the sole mover, but nothing happened without his approval. And do you think Tim is the easy going sort of bloke who lets his subordinates get on with things without shoving his oar in?

You are right that he does not need to be so critical of Spurs big money signings, it leaves a slightly bitter taste. But his agenda is to demonstrate that Spurs should be putting faith in home grown players, rather than splurging on players who are not proven in English football. I agree with him.

I'm not trying to belittle anything Sherwood actually did, but no-one really knows or has been able to provide tangible evidence of what he actually did and to keep saying "he did this" and "he did that" (as you and SI have done recently) when really all it is is guesswork based on no more than his public persona or character is a bit flimsy.

As you say, I doubt many decisions are "sole" decisions. I would think credit for those youth players joining must be shared between the scouts that spotted them and recommended them and people like McDermott, Ramsey, Sherwood and anyone else who has input. For all you (or I) actually know, Sherwood could have opposed them joining and been out voted ? You sight his character/nature and say "wouldn't this be likely" well with his clear English agenda it wouldn't it be equally likely he'd be saying "why are we hiring foreign kids when we have good english kids"?

On the other hand he could have championed Bentaleb above others on the committee ? And if he did then deserves credit.

But without knowing it's not right to say he deserves sole credit for it, and nothing Bentaleb says there mentions Sherwood personally ?

And what's to say if the trial with Spurs hadn't worked out he wouldn't have got another trial, or gone back to France and played ?

 

[Bulletspur]

I rather liked having a manager who did not communicate in bland platitudes or made-up managment speak. I liked most of what he had to say, and felt a lot of it needed saying.

Sadly the lack of support from on high heaped too much pressure on him and by the end he was losing it.

Tim is not without personal flaws (to say the least), but he was doing a decent job, and with a pre-season to get across his ideas and address the weaknesses he had identiied in the squad, I am sure he would have done better; he would at least be doing better than we are now (not a pop at Poch - any change of management was going to set us back, and I said so at the time).

My main reason for supporting Tim though was that I have always been convinced that the only way Spurs can compete at the highest level is through an effective youth policy. Youth football is Tim's passion and he could have been relied on to faciliate that transition from the development squad through to the first team.

However, I doubt he would ever have won round a substantial portion of our fanbase; after every press conference, let alone every defeat, the knives would have been out for him just as they were for Redknapp, so perhaps it is best as that he is gone. We all go back to being one big happy family (some hope).

But I cannot say Tim's departure, or the cicrunstances surrounding it, has left me filled with hope for the future.

So basically you supported Sherwood because he wanted to promote development players (not counting Bentaleb and Mason as both are in Poch's plans) at the expense of the likes of Soldado,Lamela Capoui and Chadli?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

A lot of people thought they had a crystal ball with Sherwood in regards to his demeanor which I thought was wrong in the beginning. It was at least nice to see us scoring goals or at least threatening to score after sitting through AVB. Having said that, the right decision was made in the end, he was a tossbag by the end of the season, was a shame he couldn't have carried himself with a little more decorum when he was in charge. Quite like his passion, just not his bellendness.

 

[eddiebailey]

So basically you supported Sherwood because he wanted to promote development players (not counting Bentaleb and Mason as both are in Poch's plans) at the expense of the likes of Soldado,Lamela Capoui and Chadli?

Why not counting Bentaleb and Mason? Neither were in the plan's of Sherwood's predecessor, which is surely more relevant. And yes I want to see us give our youth players a chance before going into the market place. Our squad is bloated and some of our big money signings need to be moved on in order to give the youngsters a chance, as Poch seems to have realised.

 

[eddiebailey]

I'm not trying to belittle anything Sherwood actually did, but no-one really knows or has been able to provide tangible evidence of what he actually did and to keep saying "he did this" and "he did that" (as you and SI have done recently) when really all it is is guesswork based on no more than his public persona or character is a bit flimsy.

As you say, I doubt many decisions are "sole" decisions. I would think credit for those youth players joining must be shared between the scouts that spotted them and recommended them and people like McDermott, Ramsey, Sherwood and anyone else who has input. For all you (or I) actually know, Sherwood could have opposed them joining and been out voted ? You sight his character/nature and say "wouldn't this be likely" well with his clear English agenda it wouldn't it be equally likely he'd be saying "why are we hiring foreign kids when we have good english kids"?

On the other hand he could have championed Bentaleb above others on the committee ? And if he did then deserves credit.

But without knowing it's not right to say he deserves sole credit for it, and nothing Bentaleb says there mentions Sherwood personally ?

And what's to say if the trial with Spurs hadn't worked out he wouldn't have got another trial, or gone back to France and played ?

So anything positive about Sherwood needs to be proven beyond the slightest doubt, but anything negative is taken as read?

Nabil only came to England because he could not get a club in France. But he is a positive lad and I like to think that he would have continued to plug away. However, he had already been released by Lille, Mouscron and Dunkerque, and as he says himself clubs were not queueing up to give him a trial. He only got his chance at Spurs because he was spotted playing against us while unsuccessfully on trial at Birmingham.