Blatter - Fifa rule 6 + 5 rule

[Bingy]

Just to WARN those who want a 'English players ONLY' to be implemented by Uefa...it WILL exclude Scots, Welsh and Irish...and where would the EPL be without the strength from the 'minions'? English football without , at the very least, the Irish (both varieties) Scots and Welsh, would be as useful as a one legged man...with a 'dodgy' left eye! It is not an easy task to name a successful British team which was not heavily 'laden' with non-English members!
I guess that the English can sometimes be accused of being blind to the rest of the football world....and to what is going on, without them, in the real world (or should that be The Real World? Bueno Snr!). The exclusion from Euro 2008 is but a reminder of what the future may hold....and where will the Gerrards and Lampards be when the next Euro's arrive? Back to 'Real' football? COYS!

 

[alex_futter]

If this rule is implicated (and I for one hope that it is) then it shows how essential it is for Spurs to keep all of our young English talent. If it only includes English players then Bale and Hutton wont count! By 2010 4 english players will be needed in the starting line up and 6 in 2012. This means that in just 2 years time the sqaud of 18(11 plus 7 on bench) must have atleast 7 english players, so that any English player who has to be substituted can be replaced by another English player. I dont think they have currently though about substitutions but its something that needs to be sorted out, will a club be punished if they can only replace an injured English striker with a foreign one, If so there will have to be English replacements on the bench for every starting English player.
With atleast 7 English players needed in the 18 man squad by 2010, clubs must have atleast 10 English players in the squad to account for injuries. This will obviously see some youngsters getting a chance which is a good thing, but atleast 7 of these players must be of a high enough quality to play european football. And the big (wealthy) clubs, will snap up all of the best English players for ridiculous fees and wages. Lennon, Jenas, Huddlestone, Robinson, Dawson and Bent have all been linked with moves away from the lane this summer, but all have been included in England sqauds and therefore are the calibre of players that clubs will need (despite some not playing their best at the moment), it is therefore essential that we keep hold of the majority of these players because they are some of the best english talent about.
I can also see the club going for an English keeper eg Foster, Hart or Kirkland despite them being expensive, because once the rule is implicated English keepers will be like golddust, it may be worth looking at Lewis who has just been called into the England squad, would not cost much and could be a very useful number two.

 

[brasil_spur]

It will never work, in effect what Blatter wants to do is to have all countries in europe agree on a single nationalisation law, it will never happen.

The reason a player can play for a country is because he has lived legally for long enough in a country to qualify as a citizen of that country, or he qualifies through family (i.e. his grandad is Italian etc...)

This change to the law might work for football, but it is not practical in other areas, so will never happen.

 

[hashmander]

like i said yesterday in this thread:
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=31306&page=3

and uefa confirms in the skysports link that bus-conductor posted: a 6 + 5 rule that discriminates against EU nationals won't ever be allowed. now if they want a 6 + 5 rule that requires 6 be homegrown using uefa's current definition then that's fine because it doesn't limit the number of EU nationals that can play in the premier league.

 

[Teofilo-Stevenson]

No, it wouldn't be illegal because players 'couldn't be employed' - it would fall foul because it impinges on the freedom of EU nationals to seek employment anywhere in the EU without discriminatory conditions.

We, as UK citizens can freely seek employment in any EU country without discrimination as to nationality, conversely any EU national can seek employment in the UK.

The 6+5 rule would disadvantage non-UK players (to the benefit UK players) when it came to seeking work in the UK and would therefore fall foul of European employment law.

A quota of non-EU players could leagally be upheld, as they do not enjoy the same level of protection from Brussels - a similar rule has been in use in Spain for some time now.

Brussels confirmed today in a statement that they would consider the 6+5 rule illegal on the above grounds. Can't believe UEFA couldn't figure this out on their own - or rather, can't believe they're arrogant enough to think they can choose to ignore any legislation when it suits them.

 

[Kevealis]

I detest this ruling. Imo, it does nothing to promote good football. If teams want to be the best then they are gonna have to bring in the best players from all around the world. I think it'll just make club football less exciting.

 

[worcestersauce]

So we're all agreed then, Blatter is talking out of hs arse again:rofl:.

 

[hashmander]

Brussels confirmed today in a statement that they would consider the 6+5 rule illegal on the above grounds. Can't believe UEFA couldn't figure this out on their own - or rather, can't believe they're arrogant enough to think they can choose to ignore any legislation when it suits them.

UEFA did figure it out eventually. Platini was ignorantly backing Blatter at first, but he got a talking to from some French higher up at the EU and then all of a sudden you didn't see him backing Blatter's proposal anymore because he got a lesson in the law (how he could become President of UEFA and be so clueless in the first place is beyond me). Now he's in favor of expanding the UEFA homegrown rule to domestic competitions as well.

 

[g_harry]

Robbo

 

[g_harry]

Robbo (British1)

Hutton (B2) Woodgate (B3) King (B4) Bale (B5)

Lennon (B6) Jenas (B7) Modric (Foreign 1) Capel (F2)

Berbatov (F3) Keane (F4)

Keeper (F5) Gunter (B8) Bent (B9) Dawson (B10) Hudd (B11) Bostock (B12)

Zokora (F6) o'hara (B13) Rose (B14) Archibald (F7) Malbranque (F8) TT (F9)

Dervite (F10) Giberto (F11) Chimbonda (F12)

British (14) Foreign (12)

 

[chrissivad]

wasn't there talk of doing it that it isn't just classed on where you where born.

Players like Dervite would be classed as home grown rather than a foreigner. This would be because he has spent the two years in our accademy.

 

[g_harry]

Not sure, could depend on what country the players wishes to play for either.

 

[tooey]

If they are trying to make a point of nuturing home grown talent why dont they do an award scheme rather than a ruleing. Say.... Add the number of minuites the home-grown players have played in each team during the season put it in a league table (like the fair play)

And do a scale of financial reward from around 1-2m for top spot in each country to £0 for bottem 5/6 places. I know it wont change much for the bigger clubs because they simply wont care. But it will give fair reward for the teams that do seem to be using more british players thus helping our nation side.

Because from what it seems to me there are a lot of grey areas when it comes to the law side of things. This wouldn't be as effective as the 5-6 rule, but it would still show that fifa are doing something about it and i feel it would benefeit the lower clubs in the EPL who bring through alot of the talent in there academys.

 

[g_harry]

That is a good idea, but i suppose the key point in all this is that there is no sufficent english talent, you dont see any of the Italian, spanish pr french clubs buying english players. Technique wise british players are just no were near good enough.

 

[tooey]

That is a good idea, but i suppose the key point in all this is that there is no sufficent english talent, you dont see any of the Italian, spanish pr french clubs buying english players. Technique wise british players are just no were near good enough.

its sadly very true, but i think there are a number of issues why this is the case. Most of which non-footballing. We are now living in a country where kids ar emore likly to be either playing on there new games console or out stabbing people than having a kick around with there mates. The problem lies in our society as well as the footballing factors (lack of football pitches, poor national side at current, underfunding at grass roots). My idea isn't flawless i agree but i just think it would go someway to helping....without breaking legislation.

 

[joey.leone]

this is absurd. how come nothing was ever said when spain and italy were dominating the champions league like others have said?

its just all part of their anti english agenda because they know we will be fucked good and proper when this rule becomes effective.

 

[barkerboy]

How about a rule that players have to play in home countires untill they are 18, that way the clubs would have to concentrate on developing players from the UK.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

That is a good idea, but i suppose the key point in all this is that there is no sufficent english talent, you dont see any of the Italian, spanish pr french clubs buying english players. Technique wise british players are just no were near good enough.

I've always cited the lack of English players that play abroad as one of our major contributing factors to sucking on an international level. A while ago i ran down the top ten or so international teams in a thread, with the squads and where they played next to them - in the England squad, only Owen Hargreaves, Owen and Beckham had any experience of football on the continent whereas other teams had 6 or 7 in their first 18