Bring back Bale

[Gilzeanking]

There was a load of people on here who said when Bale went to RM , that he'd be back in the Prem with Man Utd after a couple of years .

Looks like they could right...kudos and general respect if it happens .

 

[SpursManChris]

my crystal ball says de gea to madrid, di maria to psg, utd use the money to sign bale.

my crystal ball also adds Lloris to Utd to replace De Gea.

 

[ADSC14]

Ok, sure we could probably afford it for one player. But it's the wage cap that we don't want to break. Because if Bale is worth 300k/wk, what's Harry Kane worth? Surely at least half of a Bale? What's Hugo worth, or Jan, or Christian? What about when we buy a top prospect, Depay for instance, how do you tell him we can only offer him 60k when he's having a better season than Bale?

I am not sure if I necessarily agree with this: For me there are definite grades of players in football and there always has been, its just the level within each grade that has been raised over time, as footballers become fitter and have access to more technology to aid there performance. Messi and Ronaldo sit in the "Super Elite" or "Legend" category, usually reserved for 1-2 players in a generation. In the past this would of been reserved for the Zidane's, Figo's, Ronaldo's, Cruyff's, Van Bastan's, Gullit's and any other player deserving of that platform (real genius - stand out talents). There are then "World Class" players. You might consider this era to include Xavi, Iniesta, Naymar, Lahm. These are just examples and whats great about football is the ability for fans to debate which categories players sit in. Bale for me is borderline World Class, he along with players such as Rooney are in that category but are always in danger of being relegated to the "Class" category because for whatever reason, be it personally or as part of a team, have been unable to constantly deliver "world class" performances for a sustained period of time over many seasons. This has to include domestic, european and international level.

As Spurs fans we love our players and I get that, and do it too, But we have to be realistic about the ability of our current crop of players. No matter how good Harry Kane currently is, and no matter how much we love the fact he is "one of our own" he is still just a "very good" player. After many seasons of 2nd string football in which many of us (if we were honest) had written him off has had an outstanding 5-6 months, and no one can argue with what he has achieved, but until he has done this over the course of a season (even more than 1), until he has won an England Cap, (or performed consistently at that level) or any number of other things can we honestly say he is worthy of the same salary as someone like Bale?

Bale played well and basically carried us with his goals for a number of seasons, won the PFA and PFA young player of the year, scored a hat trick at the San Siro in the champions league, scored the winner in the Copa Del Rey, and basically scored the winner in his Champions league final, he is also pretty much single handedly carrying Wales to the next Euros, all on the way to becoming the worlds most expensive player.

Just like our pay grades at work, footballers need to understand why they are paid what they are in relation to their peers.

If you look at our existing squad, in my opinion only one of our players could arguably be called "World Class" and thats Lloris, and he plays in a relatively specialised position with fewer cases to compare him too. Neuer, De Gea, Cech, Courtois are likely to be his closest competition. When we started against Chelsea in the cup final and you look at the two squads how many of our 1st 11 would make their starting line-up? Lloris - maybe? Even making their bench would be a job.

And thats basically where we are as a club, developing great talent, and still I believe occasionally punching above our weight. We haven't finished where have in the league for the last few seasons, exited the Europa League at roughly the same place and not won a domestic trophy for a reason -we currently just aren't that good.

There was one season - the CL season with Bale, Modric, VDV, where we really had something, something we could have built on to really make that next step - and we didn't do it, and players left. Unfortunately thats what we deserved.

So to come back to the original point - does it matter what the other players think of Bale's salary? No - they should hope to emulate and surpass his accomplishments and then they will have the opportunity to earn the same its the overpaid average players like Adebayor and Bentley in the past that have made all footballers believe they are worth 100k a week.

If Harry Kane continues to develop the same way over the next 3 seasons then its possible Real Madrid would come knocking again, and if we are still where we are with no clear sign of development he will go - and you can't blame him. It doesn't mean he doesn't love the club, rather that he is a professional with a limited career who wants to become the best he can. And I would respect him for that, far more than a Dembele who has the talent to be whatever he wants but is content and happy to see out his career with us then work harder.

Loving the club and wanting to be a part of it doesn't only have to be something someone has dreamed to do since they were a kid, it doesn't mean they have to come through the youth system, but it means they want to be part of something and look back on their career and say I was part of that. Ronaldo, and probably Bale as well want to look back and see their names alongside Zidane, Figo and De Stefano. We have to create that at Spurs, but it needs to come from all sides the board, the players and the fans, and to be honest we are all currently failing to play our part.

 

[Lighty64]

The one thing I've not noticed yet, but not read the whole thread, if we had to sell 5 or 6 players that are in our 25 man squad, how are we going to be able to afford at least 3-4 other signings to fill the gaps?

Before anyone suggests youth players forget it. Blood 1-2 a season, but rely on them could be suicidal. Get 3 injuries say Bale, Kane and Eriksen and we could be in the shit

 

[bubble07]

1 loan 2 bosmans and 3 top draw signings. We could sell Friedel Chiriches Kaboul Capoue Paulinho Adebayor and Soldado and not miss any if them at all

 

[Shadydan]

Read the BBC article and looks like Marca are using Bale as the pawn to get at Perez, scum rag that it is, and that the fickle Real Madrid followers ( they don't have fans IMHO) are buying it.

A bit of me would like Bale back but it will never happen, he has outgrown Tottenham Hotspur now.

The other part of me though says, "Fuck him, he deserves the shit being thrown at him now, he made his bed and he can lie in it"

I think he'll be back in the Premier League next season, wearing number 11 at Man Utd, working with Giggs.

Giggs is leaving Utd at the end of the season but I agree I think he will end up at United regardless, they're probably the only team who can afford him without the threat of FFP.

 

[penfold_99]

Giggs is leaving Utd at the end of the season but I agree I think he will end up at United regardless, they're probably the only team who can afford him without the threat of FFP.

They could only afford him transfer wise this year as FFP transfer fee wise will stop them next year, but will need to lose Rooney, Falco or Van Persie wages wise.

We could afford him as we will have a massive jump in revenue when the new stadium is opened.

 

[Shadydan]

They could only afford him transfer wise this year as FFP transfer fee wise will stop them next year, but will need to lose Rooney, Falco or Van Persie wages wise.

We could afford him as we will have a massive jump in revenue when the new stadium is opened.

In 4-5 years time

 

[Kendall]

They could only afford him transfer wise this year as FFP transfer fee wise will stop them next year, but will need to lose Rooney, Falco or Van Persie wages wise.

We could afford him as we will have a massive jump in revenue when the new stadium is opened.

we will have a big jump in revenue, but will probably have a fair amount of development project related debt to service, like the Goons did.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Even if Bale wen to Man Ure he would have as much chance of winning something than at Spurs. Think about this, are Yanited going to win the PL or CL title anytime soon?

Yanited's past glories are well and truly over where our stock (and stadium) is only rising....

 

[myhartlane]

I think that all this talk of his demise is a bit premature. He's having a bit of a dip in form, it happens.

Frankly I think he would struggle to motivate himself to play for Tottenham now.

 

[Shea]

Even if Bale wen to Man Ure he would have as much chance of winning something than at Spurs. Think about this, are Yanited going to win the PL or CL title anytime soon?

Yanited's past glories are well and truly over where our stock (and stadium) is only rising....

United have the money, they could easily win the PL or CL in the next 2-3 seasons

They've probably as much chance of doing so as we have a chance of winning the League cup and Europa anytime soon - that;s the difference

Its way too early to write United off, they're in transition. They've made one possibly two poor managerial decisions but they have all the potential in the world to spend big, attract top players and become a major force in English and European football in the short term - just a matter of managing their resources correctly

 

[Ribble]

my crystal ball also adds Lloris to Utd to replace De Gea.

Seriously doubt it. With all the money swimming around the PL now there's no value for money buying players from other high tier PL clubs, especially when you have to add in dealing with Levy. Besides, they've already got Valdes!

 

[tototoner]

& your subsequent posts on subject:

Totes, Toto, To-T, me ol' China, United service their astronomical debts via predicted future earnings. One of the most lucrative of those predictive future earnings is, of course, the CL. Failure to service those debts would create a very serious situation for them.

Missing out on CL last year most definitely did hurt them financially. And, frankly, it was a massive gamble spending that much (was it £250 million) on players, and mostly overseas players who may or may not settle. Missing out on CL for a second year running absolutely will hurt them...and their is a very real chance of that happening. Where would they be then?

Things change in football. Imagining United are just going to regain their dominant position just because they are United and have a big stadium are kidding themselves just as much as those five years ago who just assumed Liverpool wold go on being Liverpool and way beyond us. Both teams can do the right things - just like we have been doing. And Liverpool have certainly shown willing to try a few things to get moving forwards again rather than backwards. But to just imagine that United can just easily miss out on CL revenues/football for a second season running, with a team of mercenaries and managerial instability (will Van Gaal survive a finish outside the top four...or even European football at all?), is to see the World in far too simple a way, IMHO.

They are still the biggest club in the richest league in the world, and 5 years without CL football didn't stop Liverpool buying world class players like Suarez.

Agree no CL footie next season will hit them financially, as it will any club that misses out z

 

[NickHSpurs]

What do you think the chances are that we're going to spend 1/4 of what our new stadium will cost on one player...

 

[tototoner]

Rafa seemed to do OK.

And Arjen Robben

 

[SimpleSimonSays]

Pointless thread. It is never going to happen. Awesome dream but never going to happen

 

[sebcole]

Why do people say it is impossible??

We made him, we can reclaim him.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Why do people say it is impossible??

We made him, we can reclaim him.

Doesn't really work like that.

 

[Lufti]

Bale is in his 20s - he'd have grown up knowing nothing but the Fergie era of total Utd domination

He's expressed a love/support of Real Madrid - that suggests to me he's quite the glory hunting football fan

Most likely he was a boyhood Utd fan to some extent - especially with Giggs a fellow Welsh left sided star player being such a big part of their success

He would have had admiration for Giggs, but I doubt he'd have liked Utd. He was an Arsenal fan and would have grown up when Arsenal and United had a quite big rivalry, so if anything he probably used to quite dislike them