Match Threads Burnley Vs Spurs

[Trix]

Enjoying the discussion about the goal and how to defend it, but surprised that over the 15 pages I've read not one person has commented that it was actually a foul. He had his hand on top of Romero's shoulder, which is a foul. I do wonder if that was Kane coming in on Mee at the back post whether the goal would still have stood. Since noone's commented on it already I imagine no one will agree with me, but that's my tuppenceworth.

If that is a foul then we might as well do away with indirect freekicks and corners, because every single goal scored from them would be ruled out.

 

[YB123]

Enjoying the discussion about the goal and how to defend it, but surprised that over the 15 pages I've read not one person has commented that it was actually a foul. He had his hand on top of Romero's shoulder, which is a foul. I do wonder if that was Kane coming in on Mee at the back post whether the goal would still have stood. Since noone's commented on it already I imagine no one will agree with me, but that's my tuppenceworth.

no one will agree with you because you're wrong.

 

[Serpico]

I have to disagree with this, its playing right into their hands and is exactly how they want us to attack them. They are too effective at dealing with it

The problem we had, as I mentioned earlier is they were not worried about the ball going out to our useless full backs

Our football did not have a centre forward. I’ll game plan was width. So you could say that played into the hands. We needed to mix it up a bit get the ball in the box cause a bit of aggro, confusion, half chances , dead ball stuff . fancy football when it’s pissing down doesn’t work.

 

[YB123]

Our football did not have a centre forward. I’ll game plan was width. So you could say that played into the hands. We needed to mix it up a bit get the ball in the box cause a bit of aggro, confusion, half chances , dead ball stuff . fancy football when it’s pissing down doesn’t work.

One tactic you dont go for against Burnley is getting the ball in their box. Thats their bread and butter.

The real issue is Conte teams are built on transitional attacks from wide.

We currently have 3 of 4, very average (being generous) wing backs.

 

[Trix]

One tactic you dont go for against Burnley is getting the ball in their box. Thats their bread and butter.

The real issue is Conte teams are built on transitional attacks from wide.

We currently have 3 of 4, very average (being generous) wing backs.

Something that is being addressed.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Way too much space between Mee and Romero when the free kick came in, especially in those conditions, allowing an attacker to get a run on you 1 v 1 at the back post is a massive schoolboy

exactly look at the picture above because of his body shape he can't see the man - its poor defending

 

[ajspurs]

To be fair I don't think Winks's role there(looking at his position) is to get involved with the corner, it's only to deal with the second ball that could drop to their player sitting 10 yards out. Kulu clearly doing the same to the guy stood off him. When you look at that we are set up pretty well one in front one behind is fairly textbook for dealing with that situation. Moura is the only one there that doesn't look to be needed where he is and as he's replaced Royal, should probably be the one helping out on the far post.

You then have to wonder if there were specific instruction for him to be where he was. If we win the ball and break from there we have the overload advantage with Son, Kulu and Moura all close together. Hard to say without knowing specifics.

Yeah you're probably right with Winks, also with the one in front and one behind and Kulu is keeping an eye on Lennon. I was trying to distinguish where we may have a spare man there and who could have potentially helped at the back post. I agree that looking at Lucas it could be him.

I don't know if it's too easy to say when we have all the time in the world to dissect the situation but does someone there, whether it's Dier as the organiser at the back or Romero because he's who's marking Mee, have to communicate the potential problem and get another man over to stop the run he has? Mee is basically a free man running in at the back post there with a tonne of space, and because Romero is following the ball, the only time when he actually defends up against Mee is when Mee is at the peak of his momentum. I mean there's a reason why Burnley are so dangerous from set pieces in fairness but it ended up being way too easy for a player who I'm sure prior to the game was identified as one of the main threats from set pieces.

 

[Trix]

Yeah you're probably right with Winks, also with the one in front and one behind and Kulu is keeping an eye on Lennon. I was trying to distinguish where we may have a spare man there and who could have potentially helped at the back post. I agree that looking at Lucas it could be him.

I don't know if it's too easy to say when we have all the time in the world to dissect the situation but does someone there, whether it's Dier as the organiser at the back or Romero because he's who's marking Mee, have to communicate the potential problem and get another man over to stop the run he has? Mee is basically a free man running in at the back post there with a tonne of space, and because Romero is following the ball, the only time when he actually defends up against Mee is when Mee is at the peak of his momentum. I mean there's a reason why Burnley are so dangerous from set pieces in fairness but it ended up being way too easy for a player who I'm sure prior to the game was identified as one of the main threats from set pieces.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was just miscommunication because it would normally have been Royal there watching that run at the back post and to be fair it's one of things he's not bad at. I mean you'd never expect the opposite side WB/FB to take up the position Moura did. That's what I meant by the players not reacting to what was happening on the pitch. Under Jose before any player came on they'd go through a play book of who they'd be marking, and positioning etc depending on who the replaced. Not something Conte seems to do and we all know some of these players aren't capable of working things like that out for themselves.

 

[brasil_spur]

Something that is being addressed.

Hopefully both in the short term regarding squad options and in the long term regarding signings.

 

[ajspurs]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was just miscommunication because it would normally have been Royal there watching that run at the back post and to be fair it's one of things he's not bad at. I mean you'd never expect the opposite side WB/FB to take up the position Moura did. That's what I meant by the players not reacting to what was happening on the pitch. Under Jose before any player came on they'd go through a play book of who they'd be marking, and positioning etc depending on who the replaced. Not something Conte seems to do and we all know some of these players aren't capable of working things like that out for themselves.

Yeah it's a good point and it's something I thought about with this occasion too as it looks like we have a setup that applies in the same way to any and all. Which doesn't automatically equate to being a negative but I guess like other structures and setups we have on the pitch the effectiveness of it can be dependant on the quality of individuals at hand. Hopefully as the level of players in the side increases that's just something that the individuals will take upon themselves to recognise.

 

[JonnySpurs]

I do think we're at a point where Conte needs to consider changing system.

I don't particularly want to abandon 3 at the back because I think it brings the best out of Dier, Romero and Davies, the issue, as we all know, is that the wing backs should be a strength and instead they're a weakness. 3-4-3 can work when we have everyone fit and Reguilon is at LWB, irrespective of who's at RWB but Sessegnon just isn't brave enough (at the moment) and Emerson is too hesitant & making poor decisions in key moments so when it's those 2 we are struggling. I know they both played vs City but all our good attacking work went through the middle in that game.

3-5-2 would be my choice. If he wants to keep playing Kulu then he could be the CAM behind Son and Kane, otherwise I would play Skipp (once fit), Bentancur and PEH as a 3 man midfield. Whenever we've played that system this season we've been very good. Home to LFC and away to LCFC are the games I can think of.

If not then he really needs to think about going to 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. Far less required of the full backs, particularly Emerson and Reguilon can still bomb on.

Conte famously made a change at Chelsea to go to 3 CBs which won them the league. He needs to consider shifting to a system that better suits our players, at least til the end of the season. Hopefully we sign a good RWB or 2 in the summer and next season the system will work far better.

 

[Pistols At Dawn]

The media is rightfully talking about Spurs' inability to break down a deep-lying defense.

But what I saw against Burnley -- and Wolves and Southampton, as it turns out -- was a midfield and particularly two wingbacks who were unable to cope with the press in our own half.

How many times did Romero pass the ball to Emerson only to have him dribble into trouble, forced to pass it back, or worse, losing the ball??

 

[Japhet]

Yeah you're probably right with Winks, also with the one in front and one behind and Kulu is keeping an eye on Lennon. I was trying to distinguish where we may have a spare man there and who could have potentially helped at the back post. I agree that looking at Lucas it could be him.

I don't know if it's too easy to say when we have all the time in the world to dissect the situation but does someone there, whether it's Dier as the organiser at the back or Romero because he's who's marking Mee, have to communicate the potential problem and get another man over to stop the run he has? Mee is basically a free man running in at the back post there with a tonne of space, and because Romero is following the ball, the only time when he actually defends up against Mee is when Mee is at the peak of his momentum. I mean there's a reason why Burnley are so dangerous from set pieces in fairness but it ended up being way too easy for a player who I'm sure prior to the game was identified as one of the main threats from set pieces.

I don't know how good Romero's English is, but there could easily be some communication issues on that front. In a crisis situation it must be pretty difficult to get your message across in a foreign language. I'm not sure if Argentina uses Spanish or Portugese, but I'd expect Dier to be pretty fluent in the Latter.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I don't know how good Romero's English is, but there could easily be some communication issues on that front. In a crisis situation it must be pretty difficult to get your message across in a foreign language. I'm not sure if Argentina uses Spanish or Portugese, but I'd expect Dier to be pretty fluent in the Latter.

Its basic defending he has to know what is behind him if you look at the picture he is giving him yards to start with and defensively Romero's position is awful - look at the picture in the thread above all they are doing is taking the line at the edge of the area - the overall set up by the us is poor but the ball in leaves a one on one at the far post which Romero has to defend better if he starts in a better position he blocks the run and stops the goal - its noddy book defending the organisation could be better the shape is poor but he has to do much better there he loses his man

 

[Dannyspur]

I don’t know if anyone has a still of free kick prior to the one the goal came from, I think that they had three men beyond our last player.

 

[spursfan77]

Anyone else notice how the match was moved to a time when it was completely convenient for Burnley. When we were due to play them before they had loads on injuries. What’s the betting the same thing happens for the rearranged game against the scum?

 

[Serpico]

*One tactic you dont go for against Burnley is getting the ball in their box. Thats their bread and butter.

The real issue is Conte teams are built on transitional attacks from wide.

We currently have 3 of 4, very average (being generous) wing backs.

One set piece we hit the bar-we should have looked for more set pieces or is that beneath us.
*Under normal circumstances-yes, not when its pissing down and wind was swirling.
We didn't stick or twist. We had enough to beat them, we needed players to go at them and get free Kicks but them we were reluctant to cross ball in the box. We seem to be reluctant to get crosses in when out wide during play, again we had no one forward. Our football suits when the sun is on your back.

 

[UbeAstard]

One tactic you dont go for against Burnley is getting the ball in their box. Thats their bread and butter.

The real issue is Conte teams are built on transitional attacks from wide.

We currently have 3 of 4, very average (being generous) wing backs.

I don't think any of our wing backs are anything special, I think the Brazilian is the worst of the lot though.

 

[UbeAstard]

Anyone else notice how the match was moved to a time when it was completely convenient for Burnley. When we were due to play them before they had loads on injuries. What’s the betting the same thing happens for the rearranged game against the scum?

lol and who would you say is behind this conspiracy? Is it up there with Roswell? Grassy knoll? Covid?

 

[Ruffinthepuffin]

Unless you have a terminal diagnosis, don't be such a drama-llama! We were in a cup just last season! What a ridiculously OTT thing to say.

Under ENIC we’ve won one trophy in nearly 25 years and we appear to be going nowhere.

Another 25 years and I’ll be 81 and we might win one trophy.

You very much might be right but I think I may very well be right as I don’t live a very healthy lifestyle all in all. ???