Cain Hoy say 'No'.

[shelfmonkey]

Surely when they bought the club, the aim would be to improve the club. They have, therefore they haven't failed.

I think you'll find ENIC's aim is to increase the value of the club, in which case they certainly have not failed, but we the fans look at the club differently, so in terms of success, by the that I mean silverware, ENIC have been a resounding failure. I don't count a fleeting appearance in the CL, or the annual slog through the Europa as success, progress maybe but not success. Are ENIC truly committed to success on the pitch? Only they know that and only time will tell, but I have my doubts!!

 

[mrlilywhite]

Christ almighty what would some of you lot be like if you supported a club that'd actually been badly run? Fact is 90% of the clubs in the country would kill to have our lot in charge while you sit there and whinge that we're not champions because daddy didn't remortgage the house to buy that super special pony you said you wanted and he'd get you if he really loved you.

It don't matter what happens at this club, even if Cain Hoy come in and throw money left,right or centre, you will always have short sighted fans who believe it is their right to demand success. Bipolar and fickle gets thrown around this forum for good reason.

 

[The Scarecrow]

That's how it was spun.

Out of interest what is the reasons Chelsea haven't expanded Stamford bridge? Can't be bothered to google it!

It depends how cynical you want to be, I guess. It worked out nonetheless, and I like to think that that was the intention all along.

As for Stamford Bridge, I have no idea.

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

It don't matter what happens at this club, even if Cain Hoy come in and throw money left,right or centre, you will always have short sighted fans who believe it is their right to demand success. Bipolar and fickle gets thrown around this forum for good reason.

We really lost our soul when we were bought by that big investment company from the smaller investment company, i miss that smaller investment company, we were a proper club in those days, not like now.

 

[nferno]

Apologies for how crude this sounds, but one thing I can't understand is why Lewis never heavily invested when he's so old and approaching death (to be blunt). Spurs are also the club he supports... If I was that filthy rich and that old id set aside money and investments to keep me and my family well looked after, liquidise everything else and then use that to make my club a footballing powerhouse. I'd understand wanting to remain rich while in your prime years to live every man's playboy lifestyle fantasy, but Joe Lewis is hardly Hugh Hefner?

There's only so much money one man needs, or am I looking at this very simplistically?

 

[Gbspurs]

You know I have been a member on this forum for sometime, I do not have a high post count, generally that is because when I post I like to post stuff that is constructive and something that aids the debate in a positive way. Lately I find myself looking at certain posters who keep drumming up the same old conjured tripe. Seriously there are so many single minded morons on here, that paint a picture about the club they "supposedly" love and come out with all manner of crap to make their point look credible irrespective of any argument people put to them. To love this club, you have to accept everything about it, whether you like it or not. If you don't like it, take your head out of your arses and educate yourselves on the bigger picture, and if you can't do that, then perhaps go and follow a club that gives you what you crave. My soul is in this club and it pains me to see so called fans not doing the same. ENIC own this club, you may not like it but you have no choice in the matter. Sorry, Rant over

People may not have a choice over owner but they have a choice of whether or not to be happy about it, or whether they want to protest for example.

I don't agree with it personally but I also don't agree with a like it or lump it attitude. Disapproving of the owners doesn't make anyone less of a fan as Tottenham were around before ENIC and will remain long after.

 

[Gbspurs]

Apologies for how crude this sounds, but one thing I can't understand is why Lewis never heavily invested when he's so old and approaching death (to be blunt). Spurs are also the club he supports... If I was that filthy rich and that old id set aside money and investments to keep me and my family well looked after, liquidise everything else and then use that to make my club a footballing powerhouse. I'd understand wanting to remain rich while in your prime years to live every man's playboy lifestyle fantasy, but Joe Lewis is hardly Hugh Hefner?

There's only so much money one man needs, or am I looking at this very simplistically?

Not simplistically, rather as someone without money (comparatively). Those without often think holistically in terms of money if they were to have large amounts than those with money.

 

[Lilbaz]

I love how the Cain Hoy thread has become the Levy thread and the Levy thread has turned into the Cain Hoy thread...

The old switcheroo. It's basically the only thread where we are safe from people who want to talk about how good/shit Enic are/ should enic have sacked blah blah... Not saying anyone is a troll but it certainly is what trolls do, derailing threads with arguments that will never be won.

 

[Spurger King]

Apologies for how crude this sounds, but one thing I can't understand is why Lewis never heavily invested when he's so old and approaching death (to be blunt). Spurs are also the club he supports... If I was that filthy rich and that old id set aside money and investments to keep me and my family well looked after, liquidise everything else and then use that to make my club a footballing powerhouse. I'd understand wanting to remain rich while in your prime years to live every man's playboy lifestyle fantasy, but Joe Lewis is hardly Hugh Hefner?

There's only so much money one man needs, or am I looking at this very simplistically?

Only speculating, but I'd imagine he didn't become a multi-billionaire by letting his heart rule his head (not that I've ever read much about his passion for the club he may well have only supported as a kid), so I doubt he'd have a sudden change of attitude at this stage, even if he is getting on a bit.

He'd want to leave his family as much as possible, and in terms of legacy (which he may well have no interest in) there's every chance that he'd want to be remembered as a good businessman, rather than a philanthropist for some sports team.

He also lost a huge amount of money during the financial crisis. Still loaded, obviously, but probably in no mood to start throwing cash around on what is just one of his many projects.

 

[parklane1]

Poor analogy mate! You own your Mercedes, ENIC own Spurs! You have a choice to pay or not to pay, once again your choice.

Good point, you pays you money and go or stay at home and moan, i wonder which one it is?

 

[mrlilywhite]

Good point, you pays you money and go or stay at home and moan, i wonder which one it is?

Thats the point though, there are many fans who pay their money and go, and still moan! I go, give my money and enjoy it regardless, and then get pissed afterwards irrespective win,lose or draw

 

[nferno]

Only speculating, but I'd imagine he didn't become a multi-billionaire by letting his heart rule his head (not that I've ever read much about his passion for the club he may well have only supported as a kid), so I doubt he'd have a sudden change of attitude at this stage, even if he is getting on a bit.

He'd want to leave his family as much as possible, and in terms of legacy (which he may well have no interest in) there's every chance that he'd want to be remembered as a good businessman, rather than a philanthropist for some sports team.

He also lost a huge amount of money during the financial crisis. Still loaded, obviously, but probably in no mood to start throwing cash around on what is just one of his many projects.

Not simplistically, rather as someone without money (comparatively). Those without often think holistically in terms of money if they were to have large amounts than those with money.

Cheers fellas, makes sense. Basically I'm just looking at it from a paupers perspective haha, need to be rich to understand the rich.

 

[parklane1]

Thats the point though, there are many fans who pay their money and go, and still moan! I go, give my money and enjoy it regardless, and then get pissed afterwards irrespective win,lose or draw

Pretty much the same with me as well, although i have a better time at the away games.

 

[mrlilywhite]

People may not have a choice over owner but they have a choice of whether or not to be happy about it, or whether they want to protest for example.

I don't agree with it personally but I also don't agree with a like it or lump it attitude. Disapproving of the owners doesn't make anyone less of a fan as Tottenham were around before ENIC and will remain long after.

I agree to a certain extent mate, but it really is a like it or lump it situation. ENIC won't be changing their ideology just because fans moan about it. My point was complaining and being constructive about it.

 

[SpurSince57]

Apologies for how crude this sounds, but one thing I can't understand is why Lewis never heavily invested when he's so old and approaching death (to be blunt). Spurs are also the club he supports... If I was that filthy rich and that old id set aside money and investments to keep me and my family well looked after, liquidise everything else and then use that to make my club a footballing powerhouse. I'd understand wanting to remain rich while in your prime years to live every man's playboy lifestyle fantasy, but Joe Lewis is hardly Hugh Hefner?

There's only so much money one man needs, or am I looking at this very simplistically?

You realise that Spurs are just one small province of Lewis' Tavistock empire? Perhaps you don't, but you're hardly alone in that. Nor are you alone in failing to realise that Spurs are run as a business, not a vanity project.

Even if Lewis were to throw caution to the winds, if it came to a pissing contest between him, Abramovich and Sheikh Yerbooti, he'd lose. Nor would he be able to sustain a challenge against United and Arsenal's vastly greater income. It would be Jack Walker all over again—or rather, it wouldn't.

 

[chetil]

Christ almighty what would some of you lot be like if you supported a club that'd actually been badly run? Fact is 90% of the clubs in the country would kill to have our lot in charge while you sit there and whinge that we're not champions because daddy didn't remortgage the house to buy that super special pony you said you wanted and he'd get you if he really loved you.

I'm not in any way defending the supporters that are negative to how the club is run or who runs it and so on.
But - I do understand that these comments pop up, I will try to explain.

Since the days of horse and cart, Spurs has been "the club with the most unreleased potential". After a long period under the same ownership where we are unsuccessful in releasing this potential - whether it's down to poor managers, lack of vision or a chairman with no patience in his coaches - people start to wonder who can take us to the next step. With so much potential both in the squad and the fact we are a London club with a world class training facility, some start to wonder where the solution to this problem is.

The only common factor over the last 13 years or whatever it is, is ENIC. Logical thinking could take you to the conclusion that they are holding the club back, either by lack of patience with 'five year plans', lack of means to do the right thing or just sheer incompetence. This is just me thinking out loud, not my personal views.

We as a club are (and have been) so agonizingly close to becoming a top top team, so we naturally start to get restless when the promised land is right around the corner. With this restlessness comes a release of frustration, and instead of shooting it down as 'some sour grapes' we should welcome the debate on what pieces of the puzzle for world domination are missing.

Of course, if people can't stick to the point and start silly rants left and right, we should burn them at the stake.

 

[Lilbaz]

I'm not in any way defending the supporters that are negative to how the club is run or who runs it and so on.
But - I do understand that these comments pop up, I will try to explain.

Since the days of horse and cart, Spurs has been "the club with the most unreleased potential". After a long period under the same ownership where we are unsuccessful in releasing this potential - whether it's down to poor managers, lack of vision or a chairman with no patience in his coaches - people start to wonder who can take us to the next step. With so much potential both in the squad and the fact we are a London club with a world class training facility, some start to wonder where the solution to this problem is.

The only common factor over the last 13 years or whatever it is, is ENIC. Logical thinking could take you to the conclusion that they are holding the club back, either by lack of patience with 'five year plans', lack of means to do the right thing or just sheer incompetence. This is just me thinking out loud, not my personal views.

We as a club are (and have been) so agonizingly close to becoming a top top team, so we naturally start to get restless when the promised land is right around the corner. With this restlessness comes a release of frustration, and instead of shooting it down as 'some sour grapes' we should welcome the debate on what pieces of the puzzle for world domination are missing.

Of course, if people can't stick to the point and start silly rants left and right, we should burn them at the stake.

This is basically the reason. There are very few billionaires with huge amounts of money that they are willing to throw at a football club. We already have 2 in the premiership so is a massive deterrent to others as they would basically be competing against each other. Which is a very good way of stopping being a billionaire. So we are left with investment companies. Enic being one. Seeing that we are competing against teams with much bigger resources and a couple of billionaires that don't give a crap about the bottom line we have to go about things a bit differentlyy building an academy, new stadium and getting ffp introduced (yes we had a big part in the premier ffp and it would have been a lot tougher if we got our way). This we hope will give us the chance to compete. But is a long term plan.

If Cain Hoy come in, they may make a big statement of intent and throw some money at the squad in the hope that we hit the big time, but they will be in for the long haul and their plans will not be that much different from Enic.

Has there been bups along the way. Yes. Is Levy ruthless? Yes, because if we str=art slipping it is very difficult getting back up, ask Newcastle.

Is it frustrating that we are not winning trophies. Yes very much so.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Just to confirm, we're still going to use this Cain Hoy thread right?

 

[Lilbaz]

Just to confirm, we're still going to use this Cain Hoy thread right?

When some news comes out probably.

 

[mill]

Loving this thread, but unfortunately have had to add someone to my ignore list. Don't like to do it really, but it does give me a feeling of satisfaction.

ever tried sleeping with a woman?