Cameron Carter-Vickers

[IGSpur]

Here's his goal. Love the reaction. Hope he's on the Olympic squad if we qualify.

http://snpy.tv/1ObTUG2

Really liked how he celebrated, clearly meant a lot to him. Surely he would be in the squad if he helped El qualify

 

[SpursSince1980]

We should consider loaning him to an MLS club for a season. It would be great for his development, plus it helps to extend our market reach.

 

[IGSpur]

We should consider loaning him to an MLS club for a season. It would be great for his development, plus it helps to extend our market reach.

Maybe, but no offense to the MLS I think we should aim higher for him. Treat his development for what it is and actually develop him and not use him for marketing purposes. I even think a lot of US fans would be disappointed if he went on loan to the MLS.

 

[yankspurs]

We should consider loaning him to an MLS club for a season. It would be great for his development, plus it helps to extend our market reach.

No. MLS would not be a good move for him at all. He's good enough to make some appearances with us right now, IMO. If he goes on loan either in January or next summer, I hope it's to a championship side or a lower premier league side. MLS loans should be used to kick start a development in the hopes of getting a good football league when the player gets back, like we did with Grant Ward.

 

[SandroClegane]

No. MLS would not be a good move for him at all. He's good enough to make some appearances with us right now, IMO. If he goes on loan either in January or next summer, I hope it's to a championship side or a lower premier league side. MLS loans should be used to kick start a development in the hopes of getting a good football league when the player gets back, like we did with Grant Ward.

God I hate when you pretend to know anything about the MLS. BTW, would love to know how you think he's good enough to make appearances with us now? Basing that on international U20 games is ridiculous.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

You know who knows we loaned grant Ward to Chicago? Grant Ward and his mother.

From a marketing standpoint, you want the American audience to associate him with Spurs, not any MLS team. He is already highly thought of by hard-core fans of the US soccer program - the diehards who followed the U20 WC, and who are now following the olympic qualifying.

He won't expand his American audience until he starts making appearances for the USMNT - which could come as soon as right after the Olympics next summer. But, he needs to start playing in some real games - maybe a loan in January to a Championship side.

 

[SandroClegane]

You know who knows we loaned grant Ward to Chicago? Grant Ward and his mother.

From a marketing standpoint, you want the American audience to associate him with Spurs, not any MLS team. He is already highly thought of by hard-core fans of the US soccer program - the diehards who followed the U20 WC, and who are now following the olympic qualifying.

He won't expand his American audience until he starts making appearances for the USMNT - which could come as soon as right after the Olympics next summer. But, he needs to start playing in some real games - maybe a loan in January to a Championship side.

Right now his U20/23 partner, Matt Miazga is the most likely to get a senior team call up for the US. I don't see CCV getting one before Miazga (who plays for the NY Red Bulls).

However, while I don't think the MLS would be the correct move for CCV, it would be a better move than a League Two loan or a League One/Championship loan where he's not playing every day. The confidence he would gain shutting down a guy like David Villa or Giovinco would definitely help him progress.

I'd rather see him stay captaining our U21's this season and then make a push for Europa/Capital One/Early round FA cup games next season though.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Right now his U20/23 partner, Matt Miazga is the most likely to get a senior team call up for the US. I don't see CCV getting one before Miazga (who plays for the NY Red Bulls).

However, while I don't think the MLS would be the correct move for CCV, it would be a better move than a League Two loan or a League One/Championship loan where he's not playing every day. The confidence he would gain shutting down a guy like David Villa or Giovinco would definitely help him progress.

I'd rather see him stay captaining our U21's this season and then make a push for Europa/Capital One/Early round FA cup games next season though.

Yeah Miazga might get a call up in the spring - but he is probably still slated to partner CCV in the Olympics - pretty good that both jumped up from the U20 squad to starting the U23 squad.

I'd like to see CCV get some meaningful games in the spring - but I agree, only if he is going to get regular games. And, then come back next year to start Cup and Europa games for us.

The problem with MLS is the league schedule - it would not start up until March, then CCV would be gone for 6 weeks or so in the summer for the Olympics, and then if he left to come back here, it does not give much incentive for a MLS team to use up a slot on a guy who won't be there very long.

 

[Hotspur_Hero]

For selfish reasons, I'd love to see CCV loaned to NYRB, especially if anything were to happen to perrinelle. Him and miazga playing together week in and week out would be the best thing for the US moving forward. Playing MLS would be a fine loan for a season. More challenging than the u21 league, and as young as he is, its not like one year would kill his development if things weren't quite right. MLS loans don't seem to have ruined Ward or Dawkins; it seems ward might have come back more highly rated than before. If he was guaranteed games it would be worth it, as there arent many teenage cbs starting in any league. However, I'd love to see him get some senior minutes if we ever get some easy cup matches.

 

[Sarsipius]

1 question. Does he have pace?

 

[yankspurs]

Right now his U20/23 partner, Matt Miazga is the most likely to get a senior team call up for the US. I don't see CCV getting one before Miazga (who plays for the NY Red Bulls).

However, while I don't think the MLS would be the correct move for CCV, it would be a better move than a League Two loan or a League One/Championship loan where he's not playing every day. The confidence he would gain shutting down a guy like David Villa or Giovinco would definitely help him progress.

I'd rather see him stay captaining our U21's this season and then make a push for Europa/Capital One/Early round FA cup games next season though.

I would not be surprised at all if Miazga gets the call up for the November qualifiers if he has a good olympic qualifying tournament. I dont see CCV making any senior caps until after the olympics next year at the earliest.

 

[yankspurs]

For selfish reasons, I'd love to see CCV loaned to NYRB, especially if anything were to happen to perrinelle. Him and miazga playing together week in and week out would be the best thing for the US moving forward. Playing MLS would be a fine loan for a season. More challenging than the u21 league, and as young as he is, its not like one year would kill his development if things weren't quite right. MLS loans don't seem to have ruined Ward or Dawkins; it seems ward might have come back more highly rated than before. If he was guaranteed games it would be worth it, as there arent many teenage cbs starting in any league. However, I'd love to see him get some senior minutes if we ever get some easy cup matches.

Miazga might not be at NYRB much longer(according to Grant Wahl)

 

[IGSpur]

For selfish reasons, I'd love to see CCV loaned to NYRB, especially if anything were to happen to perrinelle. Him and miazga playing together week in and week out would be the best thing for the US moving forward. Playing MLS would be a fine loan for a season. More challenging than the u21 league, and as young as he is, its not like one year would kill his development if things weren't quite right. MLS loans don't seem to have ruined Ward or Dawkins; it seems ward might have come back more highly rated than before. If he was guaranteed games it would be worth it, as there arent many teenage cbs starting in any league. However, I'd love to see him get some senior minutes if we ever get some easy cup matches.

Difference is Ward and Dawkins were almost forgotten men who went to the MLS to almost 'rectify' their career. CCV is so far ahead of them at a similar age that he doesn't need that. Prior to them going abroad I don't think anyone thought either of them would make it as Prem players and to their credit they used the MLS to increase their profile and confidence as even our average youth players looked good. It does have it's benefits and we could send some of our other young players there to help boost them Players like Harrison or even Goddard would do great there

 

[IGSpur]

1 question. Does he have pace?

Average. I have seen him out pace attackers but I have also seen him get burned. Hard to know how quick he is if you don't really know how quick the guy racing against him is.

 

[Hotspur_Hero]

Miazga might not be at NYRB much longer(according to Grant Wahl)

With his polish passport it'll be much easier for him than some of the others in recent years. Even with all the gains MLS has made, it seems there might be an exodus of some of our talented young players in the near future. That's how its always been and its probably for the best for our national team in the present. O'neill just left for europe. Trapp just got his greek passport so he can do the same. Gil is probably on his way out of rsl and the league. If he moves, i just hope its to the right club. Still wish he and ccv could play together for a season or two though.

 

[Hotspur_Hero]

Difference is Ward and Dawkins were almost forgotten men who went to the MLS to almost 'rectify' their career. CCV is so far ahead of them at a similar age that he doesn't need that. Prior to them going abroad I don't think anyone thought either of them would make it as Prem players and to their credit they used the MLS to increase their profile and confidence as even our average youth players looked good. It does have it's benefits and we could send some of our other young players there to help boost them Players like Harrison or even Goddard would do great there

I agree with that. CCV seems to be a grade or two above those guys when it comes to how they're precieved by the club. I was just making the point that an MLS loan isn't exactly some wasteland with no return, even if the guys we sent over there were more or less fringe prospects. I do think with the right team (maybe the Eales led Atlanta 2017???) and proper execution, it would be a better marketing move than buying Yedlin to not play him. If we believe he could be a future first team player here, a year in the MLS would get his and tottenham's name out to the general soccer fan (ie not the rabid hipster redditors that already know everyone in our u13 setup and therefore have know about him for years). I mean every time facey or angelino get on the ball they mention Man City. Then in a year or two when he's playing for spurs, winning young player of the year, and leading us to champions league glory MLS's marketing team will be putting the CCV/spurs hype train into overdrive.

 

[yankspurs]

I agree with that. CCV seems to be a grade or two above those guys when it comes to how they're precieved by the club. I was just making the point that an MLS loan isn't exactly some wasteland with no return, even if the guys we sent over there were more or less fringe prospects. I do think with the right team (maybe the Eales led Atlanta 2017???) and proper execution, it would be a better marketing move than buying Yedlin to not play him. If we believe he could be a future first team player here, a year in the MLS would get his and tottenham's name out to the general soccer fan (ie not the rabid hipster redditors that already know everyone in our u13 setup and therefore have know about him for years). I mean every time facey or angelino get on the ball they mention Man City. Then in a year or two when he's playing for spurs, winning young player of the year, and leading us to champions league glory MLS's marketing team will be putting the CCV/spurs hype train into overdrive.

Well CFG also own NYCFC who have Facey and Angelino on loan(would love to see them stay next season also but highly doubt that)

 

[SpursSince1980]

No. MLS would not be a good move for him at all. He's good enough to make some appearances with us right now, IMO. If he goes on loan either in January or next summer, I hope it's to a championship side or a lower premier league side. MLS loans should be used to kick start a development in the hopes of getting a good football league when the player gets back, like we did with Grant Ward.

Sheesh. Its not as crap as you think, buddy. Its a decent level, plus he would be playing on national television, un front of pretty big crowds. Seattle (Dempsey, Martins, Valdes) just had 55,000 for their game against LA (Keane, Fos Santos, Gerrard). He is still so young. A year in the MLS would not hurt. Then the following year on loan to a team in the Championship or if good enough the PL. i think on this suggestion we will have to respectfully agree to disagree!

 

[beats1]

Average. I have seen him out pace attackers but I have also seen him get burned. Hard to know how quick he is if you don't really know how quick the guy racing against him is.

I think his pace is good, he just has a habit of getting caught flatfooted and tends to get caught from wingers cutting in and ends up playing catch up when he has to turn 180/270

IMO he could easily get a championship loan and play, shit I think Derby can do with him, watching Keogh play makes my eyes bleed

 

[SandroClegane]

For selfish reasons, I'd love to see CCV loaned to NYRB, especially if anything were to happen to perrinelle. Him and miazga playing together week in and week out would be the best thing for the US moving forward. Playing MLS would be a fine loan for a season. More challenging than the u21 league, and as young as he is, its not like one year would kill his development if things weren't quite right. MLS loans don't seem to have ruined Ward or Dawkins; it seems ward might have come back more highly rated than before. If he was guaranteed games it would be worth it, as there arent many teenage cbs starting in any league. However, I'd love to see him get some senior minutes if we ever get some easy cup matches.

Zubar (if his injury is behind him) might actually be better than Perrinelle once he's 100%, and Ouimette has been excellent for us as a sub this year too. If Miazga leaves this offseason I'll be disappointed, but he only has a year left on his contract so we might have to sell in the winter/next summer. Should get a decent amount for him too.

Sheesh. Its not as crap as you think, buddy. Its a decent level, plus he would be playing on national television, un front of pretty big crowds. Seattle (Dempsey, Martins, Valdes) just had 55,000 for their game against LA (Keane, Fos Santos, Gerrard). He is still so young. A year in the MLS would not hurt. Then the following year on loan to a team in the Championship or if good enough the PL. i think on this suggestion we will have to respectfully agree to disagree!

Don't bother, YankSpurs is an American EuroSnob that couldn't appreciate the MLS until NYCFC joined and brought over all these aging "stars" and then finished in the bottom four of the league.

Still would prefer CCV stayed over in England but it wouldn't be a horrible loan.