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Can anyone see us getting anything from the next 3 PL games?

whl_yid1982

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Nil points!

If I go into these games not expecting anything I can't be disappointed, that's the plan anyway.

I just hope to see some positive signs of the players adapting to Poch's system and a bit of fight from the players. I don't want to see 3 gutless performances where our players roll over for their stomachs to be tickled as soon as the going get tough.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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I'm very worried about the Arsenal-fixture. A year ago most fans were happy despite the loss. "We've never dominated away vs. Arsenal, we were just unfortunate". I was among the few who saw it for what it was. We weren't dominating, we weren't unlucky. If anything, we should be worried that Arsenal beat us so effortlessly. Because that's in reality what happened. Arsenal were not wasting a calorie, simply cruising about in what was a very conscious style of play. It looked like Spurs dominated, but Arsenal were in fact, in total control. My suspicions were only reinforced when they visited White Hart Lane, and more or or less the same thing happened minute for minute, throughout the match. They snagged a victory without even working for it. "We were unfortunate". NO! We were not. We fell for a meticulous game plan. Twice. They left it to us to waste energy, whilst never giving up the actual control over the match.
I'm afraid, 12 months later, such tactics will work wonders again. We might still think we dominated come Sunday. But if we do think that, and we still lost, come back to this post....

Southampton can be a trick or a treat. I think we will play a trick on our selves to be honest. The guys will be struggling with keeping their chin up after a few bad matches, and they will just recover from a hard battle vs. Besiktas. Southampton got it going on these days. I think we could loose. Southampton will know the weak points of a typical match under Pochettino, whilst we don't have the same intelligence on their coach. Sure, Poch will know the players weak spots, but we need more to defeat them.

ManC has been trough a somewhat underwhelming start. It would only be fitting that they hit that great form right before facing us. Inevitably, they are a better team, and should easily cope with us at home.

Then again, it's football. There are never 3 games in a row without a surprise. I'd say we fetch 3 points total.
 

shelfboy68

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Nil points!

If I go into these games not expecting anything I can't be disappointed, that's the plan anyway.

I just hope to see some positive signs of the players adapting to Poch's system and a bit of fight from the players. I don't want to see 3 gutless performances where our players roll over for their stomachs to be tickled as soon as the going get tough.

You maybe dissapointed on that score if your hoping to see some fight and guts there has been a famine at WHL for years now.
 

HappySpur

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Whether we win the next 3 or lose the next 3, at least we know that none of the supporters will overreact.
 

LiamJM10

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In short, yes. But possibly only the single point. This is why I'm pissed off we ballsed it up against Sunderland and West Brom. Win those and we have a cushion, now we don't and we'll fall behind our rivals in the next few weeks.
 

hughy

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The defeatist attitude on here after one defeat makes me sick. A point against Arsenal and all of you will be expecting us to push for top 4 again.

I hope Everton fans are also expecting to lose every game for the rest of the season too because they suffered a home defeat to a lesser team.
 

goughie1966

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Southampton might be the most difficult game the way they are playing in the first half against Arsenal
 

jolsnogross

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The defeatist attitude on here after one defeat makes me sick. A point against Arsenal and all of you will be expecting us to push for top 4 again.

I hope Everton fans are also expecting to lose every game for the rest of the season too because they suffered a home defeat to a lesser team.

While I agree there are a few posts that are overly defeatist and pessimistic, I've got to pull you up on this canard about Everton that I've seen a couple of times (not saying you in particular have suggested they are self-evidently worse than us).

Everton have had a loose start to the season that includes one win, two draws, and two defeats. But there are goals aplenty in all their games. They dominated Palace this weekend until their keeper went off the rails a bit. They're scoring two goals a game at least and once they eliminate some individual errors and tightened the defensive cohesion a bit, they'll be back on track for a top 6 berth. They are also very entertaining to watch because they really get about their opponents. They've gto some fight and up front they've got some real deadly instinct right across the 4 or 5 attacking positions.

The same is true of Man United - they look a bit shambolic at times, but at least they arrested their awful decline up front and just need to sort out a bit of coherence at the back. They'll entertain all year, and they'll probably turn it around in terms of results too (albeit in an outscore the other lot kind of way).

We, on the other hand, are going through entire matches without (or barely) creating a single chance worthy of the name. We appear to lack leadership and togetherness and any sort of attacking coherence. This idea that our defense is all or most of the problem simply doesn't wash for me. It's that we do nothing with our possession. This is a major reason for doubt about our prospects in the upcoming games because the seeds of entertaining success that Everton clearly have do not seem to be emerging at Spurs.
 

hughy

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While I agree there are a few posts that are overly defeatist and pessimistic, I've got to pull you up on this canard about Everton that I've seen a couple of times (not saying you in particular have suggested they are self-evidently worse than us).

Everton have had a loose start to the season that includes one win, two draws, and two defeats. But there are goals aplenty in all their games. They dominated Palace this weekend until their keeper went off the rails a bit. They're scoring two goals a game at least and once they eliminate some individual errors and tightened the defensive cohesion a bit, they'll be back on track for a top 6 berth. They are also very entertaining to watch because they really get about their opponents. They've gto some fight and up front they've got some real deadly instinct right across the 4 or 5 attacking positions.

The same is true of Man United - they look a bit shambolic at times, but at least they arrested their awful decline up front and just need to sort out a bit of coherence at the back. They'll entertain all year, and they'll probably turn it around in terms of results too (albeit in an outscore the other lot kind of way).

We, on the other hand, are going through entire matches without (or barely) creating a single chance worthy of the name. We appear to lack leadership and togetherness and any sort of attacking coherence. This idea that our defense is all or most of the problem simply doesn't wash for me. It's that we do nothing with our possession. This is a major reason for doubt about our prospects in the upcoming games because the seeds of entertaining success that Everton clearly have do not seem to be emerging at Spurs.

I think you're completely missing my point.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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In short, yes. But possibly only the single point. This is why I'm pissed off we ballsed it up against Sunderland and West Brom. Win those and we have a cushion, now we don't and we'll fall behind our rivals in the next few weeks.

What rivals are that? Apart man city and Chelsea the rest of last seasons top 7 teams have had equally dodgy starts.
 

danielneeds

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We play Kaboul and Chiriches at together then I'd put my house on 0 points.

Got to get Vertonghen and Fazio starting every game from now. They're centre backs, they can play two games a week, they only run from the 18 yard line to the half way line most of the match.
 

jolsnogross

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I think you're completely missing my point.
Maybe I'm free-associating your comment a bit too liberally. But you seem to be suggesting that Everton's situation and ours are analagous because both sides lost and there was some booing and expectancy of a better outcome. I'm suggesting the situations are not analagous, that Everton's game and ours were like night and day, and that they did not deserve to be booed while our lot certainly earned their audience's audible dissatisfaction.
 

spurs9

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As much as the Arsenal game scares me, this a NDL, you can't really predict it and the fact we have managed a win with Graham and draws with Francis, Gross, Hoddle, Pleat, Ramos and AVB, gives me hope.
 

spurs9

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Having Rafa, Bale and Modric helped that.

Rafa loved beating the big teams, especially the Scum. He fucking loved it.
I know he doesn't fit the high pressing system for 90 mins, but would love to have him on the bench to come on in the second half.
 

spurs9

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I do agree with some of that Steve, we do lack some back bone and players who are prepared to play their heart out every game. We need more triers, we really do.

And I agree, some of the advisement has been poor - but some has been good to.

If I had my way though I would go out and buy some players who are going to give you a 100% week in week out.

Rodriguez would be a good buy but I tell you I'd be going full out for James Milner to if we could lure him away from City - although I'm not sure how much game time he'll get but he's been doing well with his opportunities of late.

Everton want him and I can see why. Very hard working with some genuine quality to boot. Him and Rodriguez, if he's looking recovered, would be my top two targets.

With Lennon and Townsend on the fringes we're missing some English heart IMO. No coincidence that only Rose looks like the one who really gives a shit at the moment.
I think Clasie is what we need in the middle. Has all the attributes to be very effective in the CM 2 and has that never give up attitude.
 

Shadydan

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While I agree there are a few posts that are overly defeatist and pessimistic, I've got to pull you up on this canard about Everton that I've seen a couple of times (not saying you in particular have suggested they are self-evidently worse than us).

Everton have had a loose start to the season that includes one win, two draws, and two defeats. But there are goals aplenty in all their games. They dominated Palace this weekend until their keeper went off the rails a bit. They're scoring two goals a game at least and once they eliminate some individual errors and tightened the defensive cohesion a bit, they'll be back on track for a top 6 berth. They are also very entertaining to watch because they really get about their opponents. They've gto some fight and up front they've got some real deadly instinct right across the 4 or 5 attacking positions.

The same is true of Man United - they look a bit shambolic at times, but at least they arrested their awful decline up front and just need to sort out a bit of coherence at the back. They'll entertain all year, and they'll probably turn it around in terms of results too (albeit in an outscore the other lot kind of way).

We, on the other hand, are going through entire matches without (or barely) creating a single chance worthy of the name. We appear to lack leadership and togetherness and any sort of attacking coherence. This idea that our defense is all or most of the problem simply doesn't wash for me. It's that we do nothing with our possession. This is a major reason for doubt about our prospects in the upcoming games because the seeds of entertaining success that Everton clearly have do not seem to be emerging at Spurs.

We have been creating chances in some of our matches though, it's not like last season where we were consistent with our plat to the point that we struggle to create chances no matter who we play.
 
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