Champions League - 2016/17

[AW?]

For all the worry about winning the league, isn't it great to be sitting where we are worrying about if we finish 2nd with a game in hand and two points above 3rd? What a fucking season!

 

[thinktank]

Please tell me you didn't spend ages on this, as someone already wrote a long article about it :

http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnatio...enham-fans-should-root-for-during-the-seasons

Haha, pot 3 it is then. We best go buy 3 quality players.

 

[Saoirse]

Thanks for this, So we're nailed on for pot 3 then basically!

So who can we expect to be in pot 2? Leverkusen, bvb, one of the Madrids, benfica, who else?

We're going to have to beat these teams (or more accurately finish above them) to get out of the group, assuming the pot1 entrant in our group finishes top 2

If the season were to end today, the highest coefficient sides win their qualifiers/playoffs, and the favourites win the Champions League and Europa League, the pots would be as follows:

Pot 1:
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Leicester City
Juventus
Benfica
Paris Saint-Germain
CSKA Moscow

Pot 2:
Atletico Madrid
Bourissia Dortmund
Arsenal
Manchester City
Porto
Napoli
Bayer Leverkusen
FC Basel

Pot 3:
Shakhtar Donetsk
Tottenham Hotspur
Olympiakos
Dynamo Kiev
Olympique Lyonnais
Villarreal
Liverpool
Ajax

Pot 4:
PSV Eindhoven
Sporting Lisbon
Victoria Plzen
Club Brugge
FC Salzburg
Celtic
APOEL
Besiktas



So still pretty huge variance there. The dream is to get the Russian Champions from Pot 1. The nightmare is to get Dortmund or one of the Spanish Big 3 out of Pot 2, particularly if it were alongside Munich or one of the Spanish sides from Pot 1. There is a world where we get a group alongside Munich and Barcelona which would be fun, but not very good for our chances of progressing compared to Moscow and Basel.

Please tell me you didn't spend ages on this, as someone already wrote a long article about it :

http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnatio...enham-fans-should-root-for-during-the-seasons

Not long I think what I've put is slightly more comprehensive anyway (accounting for UCL winners etc.) and I'll go back and update it as things change.

Edit 17/05/16: Liverpool in for Sevilla (based on current UEL odds), into Pot 3 with FC Basel therefore up to Pot 2. Also APOEL came back to become Cypriot champions and predicted to replace BATE Borisov in winning through the qualifiers - they'd be in Pot 4.

 

[CJMurray]

If the season were to end today, the highest coefficient sides win their qualifiers/playoffs, and the favourites win the Champions League and Europa League, Pots 1 and 2 would be as follows:

Pot 1:
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Leicester City
Juventus
Benfica
Paris Saint-Germain
CSKA Moscow

Pot 2:
Atletico Madrid
Bourissia Dortmund
Arsenal
Manchester City
Porto
Sevilla
Napoli
Bayer Leverkusen

Barca and Madrid can't both be in pot 1. As it stands it would Dynamo Kyiv in pot 1 and Madrid dropping down into pot 2.

 

[RichieS]

Barca and Madrid can't both be in pot 1. As it stands it would Dynamo Kyiv in pot 1 and Madrid dropping down into pot 2.

What if Real win CL and Barça win La Liga?

 

[CJMurray]

What if Real win CL and Barça win La Liga?

Just looked that up. The holders would take the 8th seeded place in pot 1. My bad @Saoirse.

 

[Saoirse]

What if Real win CL and Barça win La Liga?

Just looked that up. The holders would take the 8th seeded place in pot 1. My bad @Saoirse.

No worries! Yep, Real Madrid are currently favourites to win the Champions League, whilst Barcelona are top of La Liga, and if that happened both would be in Pot 1 rather than the Ukranian Champions.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

If the season were to end today, the highest coefficient sides win their qualifiers/playoffs, and the favourites win the Champions League and Europa League, the pots would be as follows:

Pot 1:
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Leicester City
Juventus
Benfica
Paris Saint-Germain
CSKA Moscow

Pot 2:
Atletico Madrid
Bourissia Dortmund
Arsenal
Manchester City
Porto
Sevilla
Napoli
Bayer Leverkusen

Pot 3:
FC Basel
Shakhtar Donetsk
Tottenham Hotspur
Olympiakos
Dynamo Kiev
Olympique Lyonnais
Villarreal
Ajax

Pot 4:
PSV Eindhoven
Sporting Lisbon
Victoria Plzen
Club Brugge
FC Salzburg
Celtic
Besiktas
BATE Borisov



So still pretty huge variance there. The dream is to get the Russian Champions from Pot 1. The nightmare is to get Dortmund or one of the Spanish Big 3 out of Pot 2, particularly if it were alongside Munich or one of the Spanish sides from Pot 1. There is a world where we get a group alongside Munich and Barcelona which would be fun, but not very good for our chances of progressing compared to Moscow and Basel.



Not long I think what I've put is slightly more comprehensive anyway (accounting for UCL winners etc.) and I'll go back and update it as things change.

Can't see which pot Man Ure and Chel$ea are in, or is there a piss pot?

 

[Saoirse]

Can't see which pot Man Ure and Chel$ea are in, or is there a piss pot?

Man United are set for Pot 1 of the Europa League. Chelsea are of course on for sweet fuck all.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

all this talk of Pot is making me twitchy

 

[nightgoat]

If the season were to end today, the highest coefficient sides win their qualifiers/playoffs, and the favourites win the Champions League and Europa League, the pots would be as follows:

Pot 1:
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Leicester City
Juventus
Benfica
Paris Saint-Germain
CSKA Moscow

Pot 2:
Atletico Madrid
Bourissia Dortmund
Arsenal
Manchester City
Porto
Sevilla
Napoli
Bayer Leverkusen

Pot 3:
FC Basel
Shakhtar Donetsk
Tottenham Hotspur
Olympiakos
Dynamo Kiev
Olympique Lyonnais
Villarreal
Ajax

Pot 4:
PSV Eindhoven
Sporting Lisbon
Victoria Plzen
Club Brugge
FC Salzburg
Celtic
Besiktas
BATE Borisov

Benfica, Leverkusen, Spurs, Brugge
Leicester, Dortmund, Shakhtar, BATE

Please.

 

[Saoirse]

Benfica, Leverkusen, Spurs, Brugge
Leicester, Dortmund, Shakhtar, BATE

Please.

Tempting as it is to be petty, it's in our interests for English sides to do as well as possible rather than see Leicester dicked by Dortmubd.

 

[nightgoat]

Tempting as it is to be petty, it's in our interests for English sides to do as well as possible rather than see Leicester dicked by Dortmubd.

What with Man City and Liverpool still in Europe and every Italian team knocked out, our coefficient is comfortably better than Italy's, even taking the deduction at the start of next season into account. Our scores next season won't be disadvantaged by being split by having eight clubs in Europe (unless both Man City and Liverpool win the CL and EL, which would hugely boost our score anyway), so as long as five or six English teams have decent campaigns and Italian teams don't have an incredible season (and it's only one season where they've outperformed English clubs recently) we can afford to have Leicester being humped, ruined, destroyed in every game. Which would be hilarious.

 

[Saoirse]

What with Man City and Liverpool still in Europe and every Italian team knocked out, our coefficient is comfortably better than Italy's, even taking the deduction at the start of next season into account. Our scores next season won't be disadvantaged by being split by having eight clubs in Europe (unless both Man City and Liverpool win the CL and EL, which would hugely boost our score anyway), so as long as five or six English teams have decent campaigns and Italian teams don't have an incredible season (and it's only one season where they've outperformed English clubs recently) we can afford to have Leicester being humped, ruined, destroyed in every game. Which would be hilarious.

It's still closer than we'd like it to be though, and there's always the risk the Italians have a good season or two whilst the English performances are calamitous. Plus I wouldn't mind Leicester at the least getting 3rd place to clog up their fixture list further and lessen their chances of finishing above us.

 

[KingNothing]

"It’s magnificent to be in Europe, and this club – a club like Tottenham Hotspur – if we’re not in Europe…. we’re nothing. We’re nothing." - Bill Nicholson

 

[nightgoat]

It's still closer than we'd like it to be though, and there's always the risk the Italians have a good season or two whilst the English performances are calamitous. Plus I wouldn't mind Leicester at the least getting 3rd place to clog up their fixture list further and lessen their chances of finishing above us.

It is close, but we're closer to Germany than Italy are to us, and Germany have more points to be deducted over the next couple of seasons than we do. It's not outside the realm of plausibility that both England and Italy overtake Germany next season.

 

[TheHood]

"It’s magnificent to be in Europe, and this club – a club like Tottenham Hotspur – if we’re not in Europe…. we’re nothing. We’re nothing." - Bill Nicholson

It's just a shame that so many have inserted a Europa cup disclaimer to that quote.

 

[Saoirse]

With that point, it is now effectively guarenteed that we will play in the Champions League Group Stage next season.

 

[guy]

Makes me feel nauseous seeing Leicester in Pot 1 with those Champions. Still can't believe it.
Cheers for all your hardwork @Saoirse

 

[crokey]

How I miss Luka, Rafa and Gareth

But I can't wait for the new video with Harry, Dele and Eric