Ched Evans Jailed...

[rich75]

I don't know but I'm not sure of the relevance of that to my point, if he knew her he would have an impression or opinion of her likely behaviour.

The relevance is that I know plenty of women who've had sex with other men some of them even with a couple of men at the same time, some who seemingly went off with any tom dick or Harry they could find. Yet I've never thought that because they do that with other men that meant they wouldn't mind if I let myself into a room and just jumped on.

 

[$hoguN]

I wonder how many drunken shags there are in the UK and most of the civilised world at that on a Friday and Saturday night, are all those rape.

If so I was raped 4 times the weekend just passed as I was at a stag weekend in Benalmadena.

If the girl was too intoxicated to consent to sex she shouldn't have drunk so much or went out at all if she couldn't handle her alcohol.

There is a huge difference between meeting a girl on a night out, having a few drinks and then going back a room with them; and what happened with Chad Evans where a girl goes home with a pissed mate and he slips in to have a go too. They are not even in the same ball park, if you were so drunk that you didn't realise someone stole your phone, it doesn't mean that person has the right to steal it.

 

[Metalhead]

Personally, I agree with you. But this is a real thorny issue. Legally, it doesn't matter whether or not I find it repugnant that gangs of young men (sports related of otherwise) may gang-bosh a (usually drunk) woman (obviously I wouldn't be at risk of being affronted if a gaggle of sportswoman decided to get team-handed on me). And it doesn't matter whether the judge and jury do, either. What matters is that if it happens it should be consenting by all parties, and if it isn't an infringement of the law has occurred.

In this instance, neither Ched Evans nor his friend nor his legal team has managed to say anything to convince that either she was fully consenting or cast doubt on the fact that she wasn't. That seems quite damning to me. If she had told his friend that anyone he called was welcome to have a shot, then surely anything like that will have gone into a police statement. But the judge and jury have still found that she either didn't give consent or wasn't in any fit state to responsibly give consent. Legally, it doesn't matter if him and his mate (or any other group of men in that situation) are disrespecting themselves, the women, women in general, or just people in general, whether you or I or anyone else believes that to be the case. But it does matter that she is saying she never went back to the hotel room (I believe) to have intercourse with him, and she never gave consent to do so.

Of course. I don't want to get into the case itself. I was merely pausing for reflection on the wider issue of how young men and women behave and whether young footballers need better advice on how to conduct themselves.

 

[tototoner]

It's all kicking off again and he's only training with Sheffield United

 

[Blackcanary]

It's all kicking off again and he's only training with Sheffield United

Which I imagine is a first step to gauge reaction.

Despite the rather tricky nature of the details of this case, I think, by its nature, it's something of a 'watershed'. It's going to set a precedent for all similar situations. Should we allow convicted sex attackers back into a position where they can be role models? Well, no, obviously.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Which I imagine is a first step to gauge reaction.

Despite the rather tricky nature of the details of this case, I think, by its nature, it's something of a 'watershed'. It's going to set a precedent for all similar situations. Should we allow convicted sex attackers back into a position where they can be role models? Well, no, obviously.

I don't think it's to gauge reaction (they know what the reaction will be) so much as it is to try and dilute the eventual reaction when he starts playing for them again.

 

[tototoner]

Which I imagine is a first step to gauge reaction.

Despite the rather tricky nature of the details of this case, I think, by its nature, it's something of a 'watershed'. It's going to set a precedent for all similar situations. Should we allow convicted sex attackers back into a position where they can be role models? Well, no, obviously.

Do you think Ched Evans crime was worse than Lee Hughes ?

 

[marmite79]

Which I imagine is a first step to gauge reaction.

Despite the rather tricky nature of the details of this case, I think, by its nature, it's something of a 'watershed'. It's going to set a precedent for all similar situations. Should we allow convicted sex attackers back into a position where they can be role models? Well, no, obviously.

What about a position where he becomes a role model by explaining to young lads about the dangers of drinking too much and taking women for granted, and how this can effect many lives for the worse?

Or do you mean should we not allow sex attackers into roles where they are successful and earn lots of money?

 

[$hoguN]

As far as I am concerned Sheffield United and the PFA should be absolutely ashamed of themselves

 

[mattyspurs]

What about a position where he becomes a role model by explaining to young lads about the dangers of drinking too much and taking women for granted, and how this can effect many lives for the worse?

Or do you mean should we not allow sex attackers into roles where they are successful and earn lots of money?

But he's not done that once since coming out. All he has and his family and girlfriend has is to deny any wrong doing!

 

[JerryGarcia]

What about a position where he becomes a role model by explaining to young lads about the dangers of drinking too much and taking women for granted, and how this can effect many lives for the worse?

Or do you mean should we not allow sex attackers into roles where they are successful and earn lots of money?

Why does it have to be about money? And if he wants to go around giving talks in schools about not raping people, well he doesn't need to be a footballer for that. Maybe if he donated 95% of his wages to a rape charity I could see a point in him playing again.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

If the guys served his time & is complying with any registers etc I don't see the problem tbh

 

[UncleBuck]

Do you think Ched Evans crime was worse than Lee Hughes ?

Absolutely not and for that reason alone I don't see how he can be denied playing again, whether that be with Sheff Utd or someone else.
Yes there is a moral/role model issue being in the public eye but the bar was set with Hughes as far as I'm concerned.
Isn't he launching an appeal? When he came out I heard there was going to be a review, surely if that's the case then whilst it's running he should be allowed to play otherwise it's a bit of a which hunt surely...

 

[LSUY]

If the likes of Luke McCormick are allowed to play professional football then Ched Evans should also be allowed. There was hardly anything from the media when Plymouth re-signed and made club captain someone responsible for the deaths of two children.

 

[Blackcanary]

Do you think Ched Evans crime was worse than Lee Hughes ?

Yes.

What about a position where he becomes a role model by explaining to young lads about the dangers of drinking too much and taking women for granted, and how this can effect many lives for the worse?

Or do you mean should we not allow sex attackers into roles where they are successful and earn lots of money?

I was sat trying to think through how I wanted to expand on this, and actually, although I think placing him back in an environment where he's in the public eye is more damaging...my opinion would apply to any company, not just a football team.

Should anyone knowingly employ a convicted sex attacker? I know people have said "well, he's done his time" but there are some crimes where you can't just wipe the slate clean. As a woman i'd be absolutely f****** furious if a company I worked for employed a sex offender. The Guardian-reading, bleeding heart liberal in me would love to speak gushingly about the powers of rehabilitation and forgiveness but...not on this occasion. I'd be putting myself first and I wouldn't feel safe.

It's an interesting point you raise about the public education angle but I worry that what boys would take from it was that he was now absolutely fine and back to normal after the mere 'blip' of a rape conviction.

 

[panties]

Do you think Ched Evans crime was worse than Lee Hughes ?

Absolutely not.

As far as I'm concerned, he's done his time and should be able to go back to work. Understand that others hold different viewpoints on this, but I'm afraid I will not be swayed on this.

 

[beats1]

Absolutely not.

As far as I'm concerned, he's done his time and should be able to go back to work. Understand that others hold different viewpoints on this, but I'm afraid I will not be swayed on this.

You say this but alot of jobs wouldnt allow a convicted rapist to be hired and his job options would be limited. So for a job in the public eye perhaps should be the same

I don't think there should be a law to stop sportsmen to stop playing after a crime

However you look at other sports you do have tougher punishments for sportsmen like in the NFL(though alot of that was down to pressure)

 

[JerryGarcia]

Why don't FIFA or the FA just ban any footballer who commits a serious crime like rape or murder for life?

The shame of raping someone should be so great that he doesn't even want to step out in front of a crowd anyway in my personal opinion. I understand that he claims he's innocent but I think that's all for show, someone would have explained the law to him by now.

 

[LSUY]

However you look at other sports you do have tougher punishments for sportsmen like in the NFL(though alot of that was down to pressure)

Unless there is intense media pressure the NFL lets their players get away with murder. Donte Stallworth, Ray Lewis and Leonard Little were allowed to continue playing professional after killing people. Michael Vick ran a dog fighting ring and he's still playing in the NFL.

 

[tiger666]

Why don't FIFA or the FA just ban any footballer who commits a serious crime like rape or murder for life?

FIFA don't even care about slaves dying whilst building World Cup stadia. Don't expect anything from them.