Chelsea sign Michy Batshuayi

[FibreOpticJesus]

i think we will know the result soon as it seems that 26/6 is the deadline for OM to settle the deficit?

Not sure what all the fuss is about. He is Belgium's fourth choice striker

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Not sure what all the fuss is about. He is Belgium's fourth choice striker

so points deduction or even relegation is saying hi to OM then...

 

[DJS]

Not really... As it would mean yet another case of Levy failing the club miserably when it comes to bringing in the players needed to take us forward...

Yeah let's splash silly cash like Leeds did and fuck ourselves up lol.

We've got a good squad in place, I'm sure we can get someone cheaper who can provide cover needed for Kane and keep our books balanced at same time.

 

[gazzeh]

Not sure what all the fuss is about. He is Belgium's fourth choice striker

And that is ridiculous, he's arguably the best one. Certainly got a better touch than lukaku.

Besides, on that logic you'd sign Seferovic over Embolo

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Not sure what all the fuss is about. He is Belgium's fourth choice striker

I've never seen Batshuayi play, but judging by that embarrassing showing by Origi in Belgium's first Euro game, if Bats is behind him in the pecking order, it is rather concerning. I can honestly say I've never seen such a terrible performance from a pro player, as I saw from Origi in that game.

Then again, the Belgian manager is apparently clueless? So maybe we shouldn't be basing our opinion upon his player selections?

 

[thinktank]

Not sure what all the fuss is about. He is Belgium's fourth choice striker

You're forgetting who the manager is.

 

[Spurs1960]

so points deduction or even relegation is saying hi to OM then...

That is no more, the deadline for his sale has been extended until the end of the window now.

 

[TH1239]

Yeah let's splash silly cash like Leeds did and fuck ourselves up lol.

We've got a good squad in place, I'm sure we can get someone cheaper who can provide cover needed for Kane and keep our books balanced at same time.

What a ridiculous statement. Do you have a clue what Leeds revenues were at the time? Do people get that the PL has completely changed in the last decade? The average PL team in 2002 took in slightly less than 24 million pounds in television revenue. We will likely take in somewhere around 140 million pounds in television revenue alone this upcoming season.

We paid 16 million pounds for Bent and Berbatov a decade ago when our turnover was 103 million pounds. Our turnover this season will be 280+ million pounds. Paying 25 million pounds for a 22 year player coming off a great year in shit team in a tough league won't have any adverse financial affects. Hell, we spent 33 million pounds on Son and Njie last season, who contributed 4 league goals between them. Are we in administration now?

 

[lol]

i reckon this is what's happening

1. if hes gave us his word that hes ok with X personal terms, we will tell him, hold out the deal help us drive the pricetag down. if you can drive down a few more millions, we will give you Y amount more.

2. IF hes still interested in us but knows that juve is genuinely interested, he will tell us " hey im thinking about the juve deal..", and force us to pay more than the initial X amount, AND STILL get paid that Y amount that he 'supposedly' did us a favour to drive the price down

3. if hes ok with juve then we missed the boat

 

[Flashspur]

LOL I seriously doubt this will happen. I'd be really surprised if it did. This will probably go to 100 pages now

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Do you think? Janssen looks like he has absolutely nothing bar finishing and a bit of number 9 play/movement to me (which doesn't make him a bad player, could be brilliant). I've seen a lot more of Batshuayi and if anything I'd say his number 9 attributes are his weakest points - movement etc. He has much better technical and physical traits, good on the ball, which make his position more subject to change, imo.

Berahino wasn't really part of this same list, seeing as we signed Son instead. Wing forward, with half a mind toward covering Kane.

I think we need/ed backups, competition for Kane and Dier but the player who would make a real difference to our first team, and up us a level in terms of threatening other teams, is a forward who stretches defenses. Alli mitigated that somewhat with his goals and runs, but that Rodriguez/Berahino role is one we are yet to fill and I will be hugely disappointed if we just sign a couple of backups/competition without progressing our first 11 in a significant way. One player, one excellent signing. We may have a stadium to fund,, but the tv deal is 100-150 mil a season, plus sponsorship. If (big if) Bats if that player, quibbling over 8 million or so difference in a transfer fee, if (again big if) that was the case would be ridiculous.

Lots of hypotheticals - but Levy could well be waiting it out, knowing OM are under a lot of pressure, and the player wants to come to us. Would be the only sensible way to play a strong hand.

----I also think a signing like Boufal/Ousmane Dembele would have filled the gap in a different way, one that might be a good balance, with eriksen/alli

@spurs9 and I had this discussion a while back. I think Batshuayi's finishing is actually his strongest facet, I think last season when he played in a much better Marseille team (with the likes of Payet) that was challenging for the top end his goals per shots was exceedingly good (if I remember correctly), this season, in a shambolic Marseille team, less so. If you search through this thread you'll find the stats posted by Spurs9 which support this I think.

I've seen a lot of Batshuayi. Whilst he's not just a "defoe/Berahino/Bent" type of striker who does absolutely fuck all except hang off the shoulder of the last man and use lightning 5 yard pace, there is more to him than that, he's strong, quick, robust, will work defenders and has good technique, and can hold the ball and does create bits for others, he's not like Kane in his application and reading, the way Kane works deep and wide channels, and Kane does work harder off the ball, generally (though this is hard to judge again, because Bielsa had his players working harder, Michel fuck all).

If you are saying Berahino isn't on the list anymore because we signed Son, I'd say that's even more glaring evidence of the target moving between two very different players.

 

[dagraham]

Yeah let's splash silly cash like Leeds did and fuck ourselves up lol.

We've got a good squad in place, I'm sure we can get someone cheaper who can provide cover needed for Kane and keep our books balanced at same time.

Leeds didn't have a record TV deal and spent money on the basis of future CL qualification and season ticket sales.

There is no comparison of the two situations or what anyone is suggesting whatsoever.

 

[Mr Pink]

Great news, we must be able to get someone to hold Kane's Lukazade bottle on CL nights for cheaper than 28m surely ?

Lesniak?

 

[DiamondLites]

People moaning about his price being 30m+, that's the going rate for young, attacking talent in today's market

I mean look at Xhaka - Arsenal paid 30m for him based on his age, relative experience and potential yet he has been utterly pedestrian in the games I've seen of him

VJ's relatively low asking price is an exception and shouldn't be used as reason not to sign Batshuayi

 

[Bus-Conductor]

People moaning about his price being 30m+, that's the going rate for young, attacking talent in today's market

I mean look at Xhaka - Arsenal paid 30m for him based on his age, relative experience and potential yet he has been utterly pedestrian in the games I've seen of him

VJ's relatively low asking price is an exception and shouldn't be used as reason not to sign Batshuayi

Going rate or inflated rate, the bottom line is that this is a "back up" player we are effectively buying, so how much do you spend on a player who's going to spend a good deal of time on the bench and playing a handful of domestic cup games.

You won't find too many clubs, even the uber ones, who can fit paying £30+m for a bench warmer into their FFP budget.

 

[ebzrascal]

People moaning about his price being 30m+, that's the going rate for young, attacking talent in today's market

I mean look at Xhaka - Arsenal paid 30m for him based on his age, relative experience and potential yet he has been utterly pedestrian in the games I've seen of him

VJ's relatively low asking price is an exception and shouldn't be used as reason not to sign Batshuayi

I'd compare him to Martial who was £35 million plus add ons don't think anyone is saying he was a waste of money at this point. Age is the key... Soldado had poor value after 2 bad seasons and he had no time to turn that value round. Lamela will probably end up being value for money over the long term as his performances have improved. So my point is I would risk spending the money on a 22 year old.

 

[fletch82]

People moaning about his price being 30m+, that's the going rate for young, attacking talent in today's market

I mean look at Xhaka - Arsenal paid 30m for him based on his age, relative experience and potential yet he has been utterly pedestrian in the games I've seen of him

VJ's relatively low asking price is an exception and shouldn't be used as reason not to sign Batshuayi

30 mill and the twat still cant kick a ball in to a giant net from 6 yards

Typical goonie waster

 

[JayB]

People moaning about his price being 30m+, that's the going rate for young, attacking talent in today's market

I mean look at Xhaka - Arsenal paid 30m for him based on his age, relative experience and potential yet he has been utterly pedestrian in the games I've seen of him

VJ's relatively low asking price is an exception and shouldn't be used as reason not to sign Batshuayi

Spot on, tons of people are wrapped up in an antiquated notion of what constitutes a "£30m player." Whereas that kind of fee used to get you a Berbatov or a Modric, now it gets you a Sadio Mane or a resounding "fuck off" for Troy Deeney.

The market has changed, and if Levy refuses to accept the current reality I fear we will be left behind by our rivals.

 

[DiamondLites]

Going rate or inflated rate, the bottom line is that this is a "back up" player we are effectively buying, so how much do you spend on a player who's going to spend a good deal of time on the bench and playing a handful of domestic cup games.

You won't find too many clubs, even the uber ones, who can fit paying £30+m for a bench warmer into their FFP budget.

I'd say a rotation player rather than a back up player, Batshuayi is versatile enough to play with Kane as well as in his stead whether as the focal point or as a wide forward giving us an extra goal threat

The financial landscape has changed, the truly upper echelon players and particularly attacking ones go for 50m+. 30m gets you a young player with the potential to be an upper echelon, or and established player just below that level

I believe the money is there, and Batshuayi is a player worth that gamble on a 30m outlay

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Morata is leaving Juve so i think it's far more likely MB joins them than West Ham.

I almost want Juve to wade in now and get it done, so we can move on.

As I said couple of times I like Batshuayi and I think he's a good player but ~30m is too much. At least we tried to get this done early and have time to bring someone else.

Agree the fee is probably more than we see as value for money. What other PL clubs have, or will pay for their signings this summer is irrelevant. West Ham will, and have to, throw obscene figures at clubs, because they are miles behind us as a whole squad, and don't have the profile to pull in quality without having to pay over the top in order to try and close the gap between them and us (and other top 4). Plus they have a free stadium.
We have a framework for recruitment that we work to, it's got us this far. Let's just get players Poch feels he get to work for him, hopefully the scouts have learnt their lesson from last summer, and rather than spend all summer chasing a player who's club value him way above what we do, only to find we can't get the deal over the line and are left scratching around with no plan B. Seems this the we're already looking at alternatives in Janssen and Sanabria, who are less polished, but their clubs want to deal for fees that reflect that, and hopefully Poch feels he can coach them to the next level.