Christian Ceballos

[jezz]

Genuinely agree.

Would rather see him play, than someone likes of Lennon and co who have had nearly 10 years and is just much of a muchness and now has an amazing ability to go invisible on the pitch.

In fact I think Spurs should sell/find employment to/at the MoD to further enhance our knowledge on stealth technology, Lennon is that prolific.

Ain't that the truth.
Usually I give every player a chance under new management and Lennon just doesn't do it for me, that feeling has been with me for a few seasons now.

 

[chinaman]

Yeah he looks bigger and thicker than lennon

But most importantly, he's not as big or thick in the head.

 

[chinaman]

I do agree with you, but there was no risk with Kane/Bentaleb/Veljkovic because they didn't (and still don't) take up squad places. A decision has to be made now as to whether we allow someone like Ceballos to take up a position in an already bloated squad that now has to potentially include Falque, Fredericks and Fryers.

Likewise, if Ceballos were to take Lennon's place, there's no risk. He can at least be better than what Lennon served up in the last couple of seasons.

 

[Sevens]

Likewise, if Ceballos were to take Lennon's place, there's no risk. He can at least be better than what Lennon served up in the last couple of seasons.

There is always a risk. Some fans are disappointed with Lennon because he has never lived up to what THEY expected him to become. But the bottom line is that Lennon is still one of the best wide men in the Premiership. He isn't top drawer. He never was. But he is still good enough for a team that competes in the top six and challenges top four. He has proven that over the years. It does make me laugh how fans moan about loyalty of players and yet we aren't exactly great at demonstrating loyalty to our own players when we no longer deem them good enough.....

As for Ceballos when will we ever learn not to get excited over any pre-season performance? Pre-season performances mean nothing. We blew teams away in Ramos's only pre-season and ended up with 2pts from 8 games. Nuff said.

Ceballos himself may become a good player, or he may not. But what I can say is that almost every time someone says "Better to give the youngster a chance over that seasoned professional, they can't be any worse" the person saying it is wrong as is proven when said youngster doesn't even go on to become a Premier League footballer.

But with regards to Lennon, his problem for me is the system. It has been clear to me for years that Lennon is best when played on the right hand side of a 4 man midfield, with two forwards to aim it. If Poch intends on playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 then Lennon's existence in the squad is pointless.

 

[eddiebailey]

However our loan moves have always been terrible

There have been as many successes as failures: Kane at Millwall, Caulker at Yeovil, Bristol and Swansea, etc; and where loans do not work out it is often due to injury (Kane at Norwich, Mason everywhere) or change of manager (Luongo at Ipswich, Smith at Derby).

 

[idontgetit]

There is always a risk. Some fans are disappointed with Lennon because he has never lived up to what THEY expected him to become. But the bottom line is that Lennon is still one of the best wide men in the Premiership. He isn't top drawer. He never was. But he is still good enough for a team that competes in the top six and challenges top four. He has proven that over the years. It does make me laugh how fans moan about loyalty of players and yet we aren't exactly great at demonstrating loyalty to our own players when we no longer deem them good enough.....

As for Ceballos when will we ever learn not to get excited over any pre-season performance? Pre-season performances mean nothing. We blew teams away in Ramos's only pre-season and ended up with 2pts from 8 games. Nuff said.

Ceballos himself may become a good player, or he may not. But what I can say is that almost every time someone says "Better to give the youngster a chance over that seasoned professional, they can't be any worse" the person saying it is wrong as is proven when said youngster doesn't even go on to become a Premier League footballer.

But with regards to Lennon, his problem for me is the system. It has been clear to me for years that Lennon is best when played on the right hand side of a 4 man midfield, with two forwards to aim it. If Poch intends on playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 then Lennon's existence in the squad is pointless.

Lennon is not a top 6 winger not even close. Has never scored more than 5 goals in a season in 8 seasons. He never shows for the ball and goes missing for the vast majority of games. He can't cross, shoot, head or make a cutting pass. He won't even take on his fullback anymore. All he has in his locker is the run behind the fullback (effective but becomes predictable very fast) and his defensive work (which doesn't offer height). He would be the first player in the squad I would sell. And Lennon was one of the guys who sucked me in to a fanatical support for spurs, he just never grew and if anything has gone massively backwards. If he takes the starting spot off one our younger players this year I will go fucking mental

 

[Sevens]

Lennon is not a top 6 winger not even close. Has never scored more than 5 goals in a season in 8 seasons. He never shows for the ball and goes missing for the vast majority of games. He can't cross, shoot, head or make a cutting pass. He won't even take on his fullback anymore. All he has in his locker is the run behind the fullback (effective but becomes predictable very fast) and his defensive work (which doesn't offer height). He would be the first player in the squad I would sell. And Lennon was one of the guys who sucked me in to a fanatical support for spurs, he just never grew and if anything has gone massively backwards. If he takes the starting spot off one our younger players this year I will go fucking mental

And yet he has been a Spurs regular for years in a Spurs team that regularly breaks top six?

 

[idontgetit]

And yet he has been a Spurs regular for years in a Spurs team that regularly breaks top six?

And Cleverley played in a title winning side. Great logic though

 

[Strikeb4ck]

At around 1:10 I thought Fryers looked pretty quick, especially against Yedlin, then I saw this on Walker's instagram

http://instagram.com/p/mdXXjGE3Pv/?modal=true

Can't seem to copy it.. Maybe his stature is deceiving

Wow. Interesting. I wasn't aware he had that level of speed. I didn't pick up on the fact he was running with Yedlin either...Very useful for a center back.

 

[Shadydan]

And Cleverley played in a title winning side. Great logic though

Djimi Traore won the Champions League

 

[beats1]

Djimi Traore won the Champions League

Kleberson won the world cup

 

[Stavrogin]

There is always a risk. Some fans are disappointed with Lennon because he has never lived up to what THEY expected him to become. But the bottom line is that Lennon is still one of the best wide men in the Premiership. He isn't top drawer. He never was. But he is still good enough for a team that competes in the top six and challenges top four. He has proven that over the years. It does make me laugh how fans moan about loyalty of players and yet we aren't exactly great at demonstrating loyalty to our own players when we no longer deem them good enough.....

I know you're trying to be reasonable in the face of idiocy but you can't say that Lennon wasn't top drawer for a time. He categorically was top drawer, for two distinct periods. These may have become a minority of this overall career at Tottenham but it doesn't change how good he was.

Don't you remember when he first came? He was supposed to be behind Routledge but he utterly eclipsed him, became an important player and made the England squad where he played very well in a world cup.

Then there was the season we finished fourth (the period after we signed Bentley really). Given how good Bale and Modric became, people have forgotten that Lennon was the key man for the first half of the season. His crossing may never have been especially great but it didn't matter because he was still productive. He may not have got direct assists but so many of our goals and good play was a result of him doing something fantastic. He was brilliant - people were salivating about having Bale and him on the flanks. In his first games back after injury Redknapp was bellowing at people just to give the ball to Lennon so he could make something happen. That's rare.

Obviously he never recaptured that form after that injury but again, it doesn't change how good he was. Don't you remember when the press were hyping up the Walcott/Evra show-down and in the end Evra had him in his pocket? Remember what happened when he played Lennon soon after (or before)? Lennon literally left him on his backside. I remember thinking that, at that time, there was barely anyone in the world that would have been as effective as he was. I suppose you can blame the world or you can call him top drawer...

Good point about the lack of fan loyalty as well.

 

[The Spurs Lad]

Very interested to see how he gets on tonight, looked very good (better than Chadli, Lennon or Townsend have in a long time).

 

[chinaman]

Hope he starts and we can have another look at him to confirm the performance in Seattle wasn't a flash in the pan.

 

[EQP]

And they'll be playing on grass tonite!!!! Dat slick passing and deft touches will be in full effect.

 

[Syn_13]

And they'll be playing on grass tonite!!!! Dat slick passing and deft touches will be in full effect.

Well done, you've gone and fucked it up for us now.

 

[shaqTHFC]

I know you're trying to be reasonable in the face of idiocy but you can't say that Lennon wasn't top drawer for a time. He categorically was top drawer, for two distinct periods. These may have become a minority of this overall career at Tottenham but it doesn't change how good he was.

Don't you remember when he first came? He was supposed to be behind Routledge but he utterly eclipsed him, became an important player and made the England squad where he played very well in a world cup.

Then there was the season we finished fourth (the period after we signed Bentley really). Given how good Bale and Modric became, people have forgotten that Lennon was the key man for the first half of the season. His crossing may never have been especially great but it didn't matter because he was still productive. He may not have got direct assists but so many of our goals and good play was a result of him doing something fantastic. He was brilliant - people were salivating about having Bale and him on the flanks. In his first games back after injury Redknapp was bellowing at people just to give the ball to Lennon so he could make something happen. That's rare.

Obviously he never recaptured that form after that injury but again, it doesn't change how good he was. Don't you remember when the press were hyping up the Walcott/Evra show-down and in the end Evra had him in his pocket? Remember what happened when he played Lennon soon after (or before)? Lennon literally left him on his backside. I remember thinking that, at that time, there was barely anyone in the world that would have been as effective as he was. I suppose you can blame the world or you can call him top drawer...

Good point about the lack of fan loyalty as well.

I'm quite sure that he did during that period in 09/10. If I remember correctly he had 11 assists in the league before the long term injury (which he sustained just after the busy Christmas period I think). I might be wrong as that seems like too high a figure for Lennon but I thought he had 11 before the injury and 14 at the end of the season.

 

[rambu]

End up shooting the ball nearly every time when he's on the ball today, or missed the best timing to pass while looking for a shot...I understand you are eager to stand out in front of the new coach but this will only alienate yourself from the whole team; do like that go getter mentality but just need to find the right balance.

 

[jezz]

He looked like townsend today, disappointed.
But hey would still like to see some more of him.

 

[chinaman]

He was still one of the better in the 2nd half. Not as eye-catching as in the previous game as he was not playing with the first teamers.