Clint Dempsey is good at......

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I'm genuinely surprised it was more then none tbh. His only telling contribution from what I remember was failing to keep up with Bale in the 2nd half when he had the chance to cover himself in glory.

 

[rich75]

He is a professional baller.

Last season, for Fulham, he played CF, ACM, LW/LFwd and RW/RFwd.

What is uncomfortable for him? Last season was supposedly his best...

He knows the positions, is familiar with 4-2-3-1, I really don't get your point.

What way is he being made to play in a way in which he is uncomfortable?

He us looking bad because his brain is slower than the movement of the players around him presently, in addition he can not seem to assert himself in to the game.

I will leave you to you Dempsey love-in and defence. I don't agree with your point, original point, subsequent point. However I am happy for you to have your own opinion, and Happy with the fact I can retain mine..

Where did all that come from, I've never said anything other than he's not being used as the focal point for the team which he was when at Fulham. It's a massive difference to how he's used here and one to which he needs time to adapt. He doesn't start every game either which is a change for him. Still, if you think that constitutes a "Love-in" then do feel free.

 

[rich75]

Not really. If some one is capable of playing football and their general position and mindset is an attacker, it shouldnt really matter what is asked of them so long as it's not something daft like right back or goalkeeper.
He's there to go forward and score/pass forward.
IF he ever gets involved, which is rare at the best of times, he's only contribution is to put his foot on the ball and passing backwards fucking up any chance of a counter attack.

Not really true, if you ask a player to no longer be the focal point of a side then most will struggle initially to adapt. Pienarr last year is a case in point. At Everton he is essentially the creative hub, at Spurs he was asked to run around a bit on the wing and leave it to Modric. The net result was he didn't play particularly well or look particularly involved, back to Everton this year and he looks like a decent player again.

 

[rich75]

Then either a) AVB didnt want him in the first place in which case Levy is a **** b)AVB shouldnt play him in which case AVB is a **** c) AVB adapts tactics and formation to suit player in which case AVB is a stubborn **** d) Dempsey is in actual fact SHIT

First Dempsey can only play with Ade so he plays with Ade and is shit.
Seceondly Dempsey can only play behind the striker do he plays behind the striker and is still shit
Thirdly Dempsey has to play left of a three so he plays there and is still shit
Fourthly Dempsey can only play right of the forward so he plays and is still shit.

What exactly can Dempsey do? For him to contribute anything worthy of note should he be playing only if Ade is 46 degree angle to the right of him via a knock on from Friedels long punts?

Bloody hell, it's so black and white to some of you it's crazy. It's the same surreal logic that labels a player "shit" if he has a dodgy 45 mins and some kind of world beating legend if he then scores in the next 45.

Dempsey is a player who started every single game near enough for Fulham, he was their main attacking threat. At Spurs he's started irregularly, in different positions and isn't remotely considered our main attacking threat. It's an entirely different style of play for him and given his limited pre-season training and limited starts it would be more surprising were he to be playing brilliantly,

 

[dimiSpur]

I think if he does score tap-ins all season then it is ok. If goal hanging wins us 4th i'm more than happy; we would just have another defoe, whom we've accomodated for seasons.

You cannot compare Dempsey with Defoe. Since you base your ratings of players purely on goals, then I'd suggest you check goals per game ratios of the 2, then come back and issue a public apology to Defoe.

Apart from that, Defoe has been fantastic for us this season. No he can't hold the ball up, but it's not his fault the game now requires lone strikers. Jermain has been in great form, and he has more talent in his left toes than Dempsey has in his entirety.

 

[chinaman]

Dempsey is good at.......... fuck all.

 

[DIEHARD]

Bloody hell, it's so black and white to some of you it's crazy. It's the same surreal logic that labels a player "shit" if he has a dodgy 45 mins and some kind of world beating legend if he then scores in the next 45.

Dempsey is a player who started every single game near enough for Fulham, he was their main attacking threat. At Spurs he's started irregularly, in different positions and isn't remotely considered our main attacking threat. It's an entirely different style of play for him and given his limited pre-season training and limited starts it would be more surprising were he to be playing brilliantly,

He was good for Fulham he suited Fulham. He was never ever a good fit for us as is Sig. You can just tell - I was going crazy when we signed both of them crazy because the same club apparently doesnt have much money yet spunking 14m on two players who lacked any serious quality was fine by us. I wont talk about Sig as this is a Dempsey thread but Dempsey had one ability - to score goals but never had ability to create, to pass, he didnt have vision he was a finisher in a team that played entirely to his strengths.

I would accept he isnt playing brilliantly but he isnt even playing shit - whats worse than shit? He is playing like puke.

 

[Time for Heroes]

Is good at saying 'Thats Whats Up'

 

[Pete Spur]

suckn mah balls

 

[ultimateloner]

You cannot compare Dempsey with Defoe. Since you base your ratings of players purely on goals, then I'd suggest you check goals per game ratios of the 2, then come back and issue a public apology to Defoe.

Apart from that, Defoe has been fantastic for us this season. No he can't hold the ball up, but it's not his fault the game now requires lone strikers. Jermain has been in great form, and he has more talent in his left toes than Dempsey has in his entirety.

Against your challenge i've compiled prem stat comparison between the 2 players over the last 4 seasons. Source = soccernet. Belows results. the 2 players have equal goal/game ratio and Dempsey higher assist/game ratio. So your last pt is wrong. you should issue the public apology to Dempsey.

Dempsey Goals Assists GS SB Total games Goal/Game Assits/Gmae
2012 17 6 37 0 37 0.46 0.16
2011 12 3 35 2 37 0.32 0.08
2010 11 4 27 2 29 0.38 0.14
2009 12 3 28 7 35 0.34 0.09
Average 13 4 31.75 2.75 34.5 0.38 0.12

Defoe Goals Assists GS SB Total games Goal/Game Assits/Gmae
2012 11 1 11 14 25 0.44 0.04
2011 4 2 16 6 22 0.18 0.09
2010 18 4 31 3 34 0.53 0.12
2009 10 4 23 4 27 0.37 0.15
Average 10.75 2.75 20.25 6.75 27 0.38
0.10

 

[dimiSpur]

Against your challenge i've compiled prem stat comparison between the 2 players over the last 4 seasons. Source = soccernet. Belows results. the 2 players have equal goal/game ratio and Dempsey higher assist/game ratio. So your last pt is wrong. you should issue the public apology to Dempsey.

Dempsey Goals Assists GS SB Total games Goal/Game Assits/Gmae
2012 17 6 37 0 37 0.46 0.16
2011 12 3 35 2 37 0.32 0.08
2010 11 4 27 2 29 0.38 0.14
2009 12 3 28 7 35 0.34 0.09
Average 13 4 31.75 2.75 34.5 0.38 0.12

Defoe Goals Assists GS SB Total games Goal/Game Assits/Gmae
2012 11 1 11 14 25 0.44 0.04
2011 4 2 16 6 22 0.18 0.09
2010 18 4 31 3 34 0.53 0.12
2009 10 4 23 4 27 0.37 0.15
Average 10.75 2.75 20.25 6.75 27 0.38
0.10

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=17118 - Jermain Defoe
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=41246 - Clint Dempsey

Waiting for the public apology, and also for making me have to go and search for the stats myself!

 

[ultimateloner]

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=17118 - Jermain Defoe
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=41246 - Clint Dempsey

Waiting for the public apology, and also for making me have to go and search for the stats myself!

We are using a different set of numbers. Mine are just the 4 seasons, yours are career stats?

 

[dimiSpur]

We are using a different set of numbers. Mine are just the 4 seasons, yours are career stats?

Well yes that would be the logical thing to do. I'm interested in their careers not the last 90 minutes.

 

[Mr.Writer]

I don't think Dempsey is dreadful, he's just not suited to the position/s he is being played in at the moment.

Coulda shoulda but I'd pay to not have bought Dempsey & Pienaar, but have kept Nico Kranjar.

What miffed me was when Niko scored the winner against Bolton and Sunderland...then got dropped. I don't know - maybe the was some problems behind the scenes but he was superb for us the year we got 4th.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

7 pages in and we are still no closer to knowing what Clint Dempsey is good at beyond playing for Fulham......

 

[EastLondonYid]

Dempsey is good at making Huddlestone look ok.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Not really true, if you ask a player to no longer be the focal point of a side then most will struggle initially to adapt. Pienarr last year is a case in point. At Everton he is essentially the creative hub, at Spurs he was asked to run around a bit on the wing and leave it to Modric. The net result was he didn't play particularly well or look particularly involved, back to Everton this year and he looks like a decent player again.

I think Pienarrs only real problem at Spurs was Gareth Bale - Pienarr was bought to play from the left then Bale dominated that position and Harry never rotated.
I can't say he was ever bad for us, he just didn't play as much as he could have, meaning he never really got a run to give him consistent form.
I personally alwys thought it a shame as I like him as a player, unlike Clint he is always there for his team mates, he always wants the ball and always wants to do something with it. Not just put his damn foot on the ball completely fucking up any chance of a counter.

 

[spursfan77]

nothing. hes worse than Rasiak

 

[IMISSVDV]

I hate his gormless face.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

He's pretty good at cheap haircuts