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Krafty

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May 26, 2004
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They say the best way to defend is from the front. It can also be said that you have to attack from the back. Watching Spurs this season, one thing strikes me: just how deep are we?

When Harry joined the club he said he was pleased with the way we kept the ball, but it’s easy to keep the ball when you are passing it along a back four that is not threatening the centre circle, never mind the halfway line. It’s easy to keep the ball when both central midfielders come into your own half to get a touch, and facilitate the meaningless passing across the back line.

I can see why the defence wants to be deep. Dawson and Woodgate don’t really have any pace, and the midfield is terrible at pressing the play. If we pushed up we would get sliced apart and anyone with pace would be able to get in easily. But dropping onto the edge of your penalty area invites pressure. It allows the opposition to press us higher up the pitch, and when we inevitably make mistakes they are right on goal. On the flip side, we are so deep that when the opposition makes a mistake we can rarely capitalise on it.

Watching Manchester United yesterday you could not fail to be impressed by the way the full backs were not just in the opponents half, but going all the way to the by-line. How the centre backs held a high line when their team was in possession, how the wingers pushed right up to make a 4-4-2 into a 4-2-4. How the strikers stretched the play then came deep to get involved in build up play. Apart from the first ten minutes, we did not do this at all.

As soon as the defence gets the ball, a midfield man drops deep. The ball is passed on and the defence offers a deeper option. Other midfielders are drawn deeper as the ball is played back. The play is slow, it doesn’t get anywhere, and when some half arsed pressure is applied by the opposition we end up playing the ball long to strikers who will not win much in the air.

Typically in football you can either play a short, passing game, which requires pushing up the field to move play forward, or you go direct, from deep, normally quickly on a counter attack. At the moment we are playing short, passing football too deep, and then hitting the ball long when we panic that we are not getting anywhere. It’s the worst of both worlds. One player getting lost in this is Modric. He is exactly the kind of player you want on the ball in the opposition’s half, but with our play being so deep it drags him into the wrong areas, and on the rare occasions when he does get the ball in the attacking half of the pitch everyone else is behind him.

I think we are missing Huddlestone massively. His range of passing would at least mean we could play good, long balls quicker. No one else has the ability to pass the ball as accurately as him, and he has also added forward runs to his game. I think the strikers will continue to struggle for service while he is not in the starting eleven.

Maybe it’s a case of a lack of pace at the back, lack of confidence, creativity, or simply the fact that the team has not had time under one manager or one system, but I do not think it is a coincide we have struggled against teams that are well organised and largely defensive in the past month.
 

UncleBuck

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Aug 20, 2003
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"Just how deep are we"?

I think we all know the answer to that...I see so many parallels between the season West Ham went down with a squad that was too supposedly too good and our current team at the moment.


 

spurs_viola

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Mar 10, 2005
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Well written piece. Agree that we defend too deep when under any pressure and lack confidence/skills to play the ball out of defence to start a meaningful attack instead of sending it long towards the forwards who are not adept at holding on to the ball.

Good teams always build from the their own half and pass the ball mainly on the ground - but of course you need good movement and skillful players to pass the ball on and receive it in advanced areas.
We have too many players who lack this awareness and movement, and lost two of the best at it. Berbatov and Keane helped hide the deficiencies of Jenas - Zokora midfield core (to a certain extent), and after they left we were truly in trouble. We had a big bonus of a player like Modric, but did not capitalise on it while dithering in the transfer window last summer. So we were left with Jenas-Zokora as part of the midfield core and instead of Berbatov and Keane got Bent and an unproven forward with no pre-season with Spurs, and who never played or lived outside Russia, and was coming to Spurs at the end of his domestic season on top of the busy summer with Euro 2008.

The team had no balance - and like defence, dropped deeper and deeper.
Well done the Board for not dealing with the situation at the crucial time before the season.
 

StockSpur

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one thing that was obvious from utds play was that the grafters such as fletcher and park dont ever hold onto the ball too long before finding an easy pass to a supporting player and then find a scoring position, especially park who is prone to the zokora head down charge with no final ball.
 

metal_chris

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Dec 6, 2006
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You make some really good points there Krafty.
I, like many, sat through the slow Spurs-Wigan game and was then amazed at the difference in the following Utd-Chelsea game.
I've been trying to figure out why - the gulf in class between the Spurs/Utd players isn't that massive - and I think you've hit the nail on the head by describing how the teams are playing.
(That slow passing along our back 4 drives me mad!)
 

markie

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Nov 17, 2004
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Brilliant article and I completely agree with the Huddlestone comment. We lack the drive forward when he isnt playing and Modric is lost ... Harry needs to look at the first few games he was in charge and realise the players that were on the pitch and how he was getting them to play and in what positions (Bentley most definitely not left wing)

Against Bolton: (2-0 win)

Spurs (4-4-1-1):- Gomes; Hutton, Corluka, King (Capt.), Ekotto; Bentley, Huddlestone, Jenas, O’Hara (sub Lennon, 70); Modric; Pavlyuchenko (sub Bent, 66)

Against Arsenal: (4-4 draw)


Spurs (4-4-1-1):- Gomes; Hutton (sub Gunter, 790, Corluka, Woodgate, Ekotto; Bentley, Huddlestone, Jenas (Capt.), Bale (sub Lennon, 55); Modric; Pavlyuchenko (sub Bent, 65)

Against Liverpool: (2-1 win)

Teams:-
Spurs (4-4-1-1):- Gomes; Corluka, Woodgate, King (Capt.), Ekotto (sub Hutton, 46); Bentley, Huddlestone, Zokora, O’Hara (sub Pavlyuchenko, 46); Modric (sub Lennon, 74); Bent

Against Dynamo Zagreb: (4-0 win)

Teams:-
Spurs (4-4-1-1):- Gomes; Hutton, Dawson, Woodgate (Capt.) (sub Gunter, 85), Bale; Bentley (sub Bostock, 78), Huddlestone, Zokora, Lennon; Modric (sub Campbell, 74); Bent


When the team looks like this and the players are playing in positions that work for them we can even get away with having zokora in midfield cleaning up and not worry about him not attacking because Huddlestone is taking care of that...

Against Man City: (Won 2-1)

Spurs (4-5-1):- Gomes; Corluka, Woodgate, King (Capt.), Ekotto; Bentley, Jenas, Huddlestone, Zokora, Modric (sub Lennon, 70); Bent

Against Liverpool: (Won 4-2)

Spurs (4-4-2):- Gomes (sub Cesar, 73); Hutton, Dawson (Capt.), Corluka, Bale; Lennon, Huddlestone, Zokora, O’Hara; Pavlyuchenko (sub Boateng, 90), Campbell (sub Bent, 90)


This was the first game we tried 442 and it seemed to work but once again we had Hudd pulling the strings.. When we tried 442 again without hudd it didnt work..

Admittedly he had 2 bad games against Everton and newcastle when we lost and he got subbed etc etc, then he went and got injured against fulham. It seems after that he has not even been thought about by Harry who has let him languish on the bench..
 
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