Dele Alli at Everton

[$hoguN]

You rarely see City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea & Arsenal dipping into that pool of talent. Just at that list we had the opportunity to sign Grealish, bought Rodon, Eze seemed like a deal to be had if we really wanted it, same with Watkins. Maddison was really the only one it didn't seem like we could have done.

I really wish we had signed Watkins, Eze and Grealish!

 

[sausage]

You rarely see City, Liverpool, United, Chelsea & Arsenal dipping into that pool of talent. Just at that list we had the opportunity to sign Grealish, bought Rodon, Eze seemed like a deal to be had if we really wanted it, same with Watkins. Maddison was really the only one it didn't seem like we could have done.

Problem is that you're mentioning half a dozen that have worked out, and not factoring those that were a flash in the pan and were forgotten. Can't buy them all, and it's not that easy to see who's going to make it.

 

[dtxspurs]

Problem is that you're mentioning half a dozen that have worked out, and not factoring those that were a flash in the pan and were forgotten. Can't buy them all, and it's not that easy to see who's going to make it.

Of course, but same goes for expensive HG players from within the premier league. I'm saying the Championship is the place to find affordable HG talent.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Problem is that you're mentioning half a dozen that have worked out, and not factoring those that were a flash in the pan and were forgotten. Can't buy them all, and it's not that easy to see who's going to make it.

definitely easier to shift them out than foreign players like gkn, njie etc

 

[dtxspurs]

definitely easier to shift them out than foreign players like gkn, njie etc

A big piece of it too. They're value goes up by just playing for a club like ours. Look at some of the ridiculous sales Liverpool have made over the past couple years for players who did nothing for them in Solanke & Brewster.

 

[sausage]

Of course, but same goes for expensive HG players from within the premier league. I'm saying the Championship is the place to find affordable HG talent.

Not 'affordable' though - they're still usually quite expensive.

Watkins was £30m+, Grealish would have been near that, too.

We sold Pritch for good money and he didn't cut it in the PL despite looking like a diamond in the Championship.

 

[dtxspurs]

Not 'affordable' though - they're still usually quite expensive.

Watkins was £30m+, Grealish would have been near that, too.

We sold Pritch for good money and he didn't cut it in the PL despite looking like a diamond in the Championship.

Ok. I don't really understand the argument. If we complain that its too expensive to sign HG players from other premier clubs, we should buy them from Championship clubs. With good scouting you can find good players there for cheaper than premier league alternatives.

 

[sausage]

Ok. I don't really understand the argument. If we complain that its too expensive to sign HG players from other premier clubs, we should buy them from Championship clubs. With good scouting you can find good players there for cheaper than premier league alternatives.

Point being that "we should have signed [insert players from championship that are now good" isn't a realistic statement.
"the Championship is the place to find affordable HG talent" isn't necessarily true either.

We bought Sessegnon and Clarke and neither have been worth it so far. Some work out, some don't. No point in looking at it wistfully, because for every one that worked there's at least 3 that haven't. Some also don't last long - it wasn't long ago that Demarai Gray was 'the one that got away'.

 

[yido_number1]

Not 'affordable' though - they're still usually quite expensive.

Watkins was £30m+, Grealish would have been near that, too.

We sold Pritch for good money and he didn't cut it in the PL despite looking like a diamond in the Championship.

Grealish is a bad example as he played in the Premier league for a club that are traditionally one of the bigger English clubs. Watkins is 25 so not exactly a kid that is being gambled on like the other names.

Eze was a bargain and the money they are talking for Olise also looks like a bargain.

 

[thisismyback]

I watched a 16/17 compilation of Dele. He has never been lightning fast but in those clips he drives forward with the ball with such intensity. Whenever he's on the ball he's so determined to get it forward. The way he did things with the balls at his feet was infinitely faster back then than the ponderous-Dele of late.

It's also telling how much a player like Dele benefited from playing in a team that really pressed their opponents all over the pitch. We used to create so many chances from breaking up play high up the pitch and then you had all of Son, Kane, Eriksen, Alli running around like mad men on the opponent's half. As soon as we broke up play there were already 3-4 players running into space. Dele's style of play, the way he can sniff out attacking runs and occupy space was truly perfect in that team.

Also, the amount of goals Eriksen created for Alli is quite staggering, more than half of those goals in 16/17 seem to be Eriksen hitting an inch-perfect cross for Dele to attack.

Rewatching "The old Dele" highlighted why he'll never be a Mourinho player. He needs a team that really drives forward with the ball, that actively and relentlessly make things awkward for their opponents, he also needs to have players around him that can deliver a cross. I mean, that isn't the Spurs of 2021 with Mourinho.

I'm not trying to derail the blame from Dele. He's been in a downward spiral for several seasons and he was on the decline before Mourinho. Even under Pochettino - when the squad for some reason couldn't play the press-game anymore - Dele declined massively. It really does feel like things stopped working for him and instead of trying to understand why he focused on other things than football. I mean, he's obviously a very talented footballer. With his stature and natural ball skills and he could easily become a competent CM, if he took the time and effort to develop in that position. But he never sought that challenge. Instead, he waited for things to fall into place again and they never did.

I kind of feel like we're pressing closer to peak 16/17 Poch then the end of his tenure, no? We don't play as a high of a line but it seems pressing is important part of Jose's system.

 

[TropicalYid]

Been thinking alot about the Dele situation.
Dont want him to go, because we know what he can do. How good he is when he is on form.
But he hasnt been very good for nearly two years now.
I think the reality is that this whole situation is down to Dele himself. He need to step up. He needs to work.
If he dont want that..i guess we could let him go.

 

[newbie]

Ali could be great fo us if he wants to be, not sure if he los

Hard or expensive? Definitely the latter.

It’s why selling players like him or winks is quite a risk. You lose the HG player and have to replace him with another of equal ability. Not easy or cheap.

actually, we don't, we need to get rid of the non-home gown fringe players who dont play lets be honest we could have a clean-out have less players and improve on our none homegrown players, with better players and use our academy our wage bill would be trim and we can go back to what we do finding young talent and bring it through, and our scouting is very good look at the players we wanted like Watkins and Ezes most have gone on to do well, not to mention we have plenty of gems coming through the academy.If we sign any non home grown players have they have to be an improvement, also non home grown players tend to take a year or 2 to settle.

if we clear out players we still have Skipp, Sess, White, Clarke, all to come back not to mention there are a few good players in our academy who can play a fringe role, we have too many players who don't play much.

we have a fair few home gown players

Kane,
JT
Winks
Hart
Sess
White
Davies (not in europe)
Joe Rondon (not in europe)
Clarke
Doherty

I cant see Bale with us next season

 

[rossdapep]

Further snippet from Dragon1 on COYS a few hours ago:
It will take massive money to sell dele the window I’m talking 70 million plus

Daniel will have to make a call in march or April , dele or Jose The situation is untenable

Daniel knows how hard it is to bring top talent especially British talent , he is not letting dele go in a hurry For that sole reason

Thanks for sharing.

Whilst I do see Levy's point. It's a bit redundant when you see Eze go for less than 20m and Olise at Reading won't go for more then 20m, Brooks prob isn't more than 30m either. This is when really good scouting comes in.

 

[Timberwolf]

Watkins is talented but he's also missed about 15 incredible chances that Grealish has put on a plate for him this season. He's easily one of the most frustrating players in the league. If Vinicius had missed those same chances (and a penalty) for us people on here would've been baying for his blood.

I think he's got potential and he leads the line quite well, but he's still got a long way to go.

As for Dele, I think a loan makes a lot more sense than having him sit on the bench taking moody instagram pics for 6 months, with the odd match against Wolfsburg or Wycombe. Let him play under Poch, get his mojo back and either come back to Spurs with form and a point to prove, or at the very least get him some gametime and keep his value up.

If Jose isn't going to play him there's no reason to stop the loan other than to appease Levy's ego.

 

[mr ashley]

How many other teams that are challenging for the title and playing European football sign a player out of the championship, and give them significant minutes?
It’s quite a rare thing. Dele might even be the last example of a player doing exactly that. Although to be fair we weren’t in that position when we signed him.

So now when we are bemoaning the ones that got away like eze or Ollie watkins, remember that part of their decision making process would have been the opportunity to get minutes on the pitch, rather than just squad filler.
But equally, we are breaking into the group of clubs that don’t sign the uncut gems anymore. Like United/Chelsea/ city etc, we are moving towards being a club that lets other take the financial risk whilst we sign proven quality and loan out our own talent to develop it.
We’re not quite there yet btw, but we’re really close.
Made easier by Arsenal vacating their seat at the top table too!

 

[Martinhotspur]

How many other teams that are challenging for the title and playing European football sign a player out of the championship, and give them significant minutes?
It’s quite a rare thing. Dele might even be the last example of a player doing exactly that. Although to be fair we weren’t in that position when we signed him.

So now when we are bemoaning the ones that got away like eze or Ollie watkins, remember that part of their decision making process would have been the opportunity to get minutes on the pitch, rather than just squad filler.
But equally, we are breaking into the group of clubs that don’t sign the uncut gems anymore. Like United/Chelsea/ city etc, we are moving towards being a club that lets other take the financial risk whilst we sign proven quality and loan out our own talent to develop it.
We’re not quite there yet btw, but we’re really close.
Made easier by Arsenal vacating their seat at the top table too!

Buying proven quality still involves risk. Look at Chelsea Werner and Havertz so far look ordinary

 

[degoose]

I really wish we had signed Watkins, Eze and Grealish!

Watkins wouldn't play much at all, Eze maybe and grealish yes at times. Our squad is huge and dele can't get in maybe because of character but come on, Eze ahead of dele.

 

[DannyNZ]

Watkins wouldn't play much at all, Eze maybe and grealish yes at times. Our squad is huge and dele can't get in maybe because of character but come on, Eze ahead of dele.

The reality is that Lucas is ahead of Dele so there is every chance that Eze would be ahead of Dele, assuming he can execute the managers game plan and puts in the effort that shows he gives a s***.

 

[Trix]

Watkins wouldn't play much at all, Eze maybe and grealish yes at times. Our squad is huge and dele can't get in maybe because of character but come on, Eze ahead of dele.

Eze ahead of 3 years ago Dele? No of course not. Eze ahead of what we've seen from him in the last 12 months? All day long.

Which do I think has the most ability? Dele, but that is going off performances waaay back. If I was looking at bringing one of them in now it would not be Dele, and until he starts putting more effort and energy in he'll always be a bench option at best.

 

['O Zio]

definitely easier to shift them out than foreign players like gkn, njie etc

Come on that's complete apples and orange's though. They were both brought in for peanuts as a low-risk gamble. If it'd worked out we'd have been laughing but if it didn't (as proved to be the case) we barely spent any money on them (in PL terms anyway) so it was no skin off our nose.

Grealish on the other hand, wasn't it 50m that Villa originally wanted back when they were in the Championship. Back then he was still relatively unproven and a player who had shown some promise in the PL but a lot of immaturity, who was now doing well in the second division. It was a high cost and high risk move. Completely incomparible to taking a punt on a couple of French players for less then 10m