Dele Alli - Player watch
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He is a bit of a ponce
I think people are starting to see through the hype with Alli.
What exactly are his attributes? Think about it. The guy was total shit for England in the World Cup. He’s been shit for us this season. He’s not a good passer, he isn’t dynamic, he doesn’t have an all action style or amazing stamina, his off the ball work is poor. What exactly is he great at? He made his name with his instinct for scoring goals but that has long deserted him. His passive lackadaisical style of play does him no favours when you compare him to a Mane, Friminio, Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne and other players who occupy similar positions.
I genuinely feel Poch has a big decision to make with Alli. I don’t see how he fits into a modern formation. He’s a wide attacker who isn’t fast and dynamic, he’s not actually a great long range shooter, often shoots pea rollers, he isn’t an advanced play maker like an Eriksen.
The guy is living off goals from two years ago. Even then he never actually did anything other than score, he made the odd assist but that’s it
His strength is instinctive finishes but that simply isn’t enough to be a regular starter at a top top side. No way he’d get in Liverpool or City’s side.
What exactly are his attributes? Think about it. The guy was total shit for England in the World Cup. He’s been shit for us this season. He’s not a good passer, he isn’t dynamic, he doesn’t have an all action style or amazing stamina, his off the ball work is poor. What exactly is he great at? He made his name with his instinct for scoring goals but that has long deserted him. His passive lackadaisical style of play does him no favours when you compare him to a Mane, Friminio, Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne and other players who occupy similar positions.
I genuinely feel Poch has a big decision to make with Alli. I don’t see how he fits into a modern formation. He’s a wide attacker who isn’t fast and dynamic, he’s not actually a great long range shooter, often shoots pea rollers, he isn’t an advanced play maker like an Eriksen.
The guy is living off goals from two years ago. Even then he never actually did anything other than score, he made the odd assist but that’s it
His strength is instinctive finishes but that simply isn’t enough to be a regular starter at a top top side. No way he’d get in Liverpool or City’s side.
heelspurs
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I just had the same thought. Now I come back to another thought I often have "what are people seeing when they are ostensibly watching football". I see folks in here ascribing good technical ability to Dele. In what world? It's crazy. He is has piss poor technical ability. His nutmegs are because he can't do anything else to beat a man because he can't dribble/control a ball. His flicks are the same thing that is why he is still trying them deeper in the MF where another mgr would have your head for being so loose with the ball.
Don't really know how long it will take for the worm to turn on this one but the laggards will come around in time to realize that we have a very average player on our hands that hasn't improved one aspect of his game in 4 years. Imagine 100M in our pocket if we sold him after his second year and now imagine ManU labored with Dele on 250K/wk and Sanchez. It was a poisoned pill that we could have fed those arrogant fuckers. All it would have taken was someone to be bold, smart, incisive, or reasonable enough to admit the emperor had no clothes. We could have swindled them.
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The thought of a smart deal like this will allow me to rest my head easily tonight. We won't get 100M for Dele because the only team stupid enough to do it is ManU and even they probably realize he is shit. The true hot-iron time was after his second year. But I don't care if he sits or goes for 5M the deal for Brandt is what we need. For me, if we got rid of Eriksen and Dele for Brandt we would be better off. I like Eriksen but he is not an all around MF and in that regard Brandt is better and younger and has the game to actually play from the wing as well.
That is the kind of deal we should have been working on all season...actually since last season as he was in his last year of contract and re-upped with this release clause. If Brandt doesn't fit into Poch's ideas then I would start to form reservations about Poch and exactly what he is expecting to occur on the field.
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He’s having a bad season. True..
He’s a good player. Also true.
He has faults on which he can improve. Definitely true.
He has earned our patience. Absolutely true.
He’s a good player. Also true.
He has faults on which he can improve. Definitely true.
He has earned our patience. Absolutely true.
heelspurs
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You know I had to read this as soon as I got the notification.
Having a bad season. True
He's a good player. No, a very poor player that is overrated by our supporters because of past goals. He is actually a very very very average footballer
He has faults on which he can improve. True, but why hasn't he improved on anything, and I mean anything, in the 4 years he has been here? Can you name one aspect to his game that he has improved? No, no you can't.
He has earned our patience. No, no he hasn't. Some have recognized his poor play for his full stint here. I would say that is patience. And yet he hasn't improved and I'm gonna be presumptuous and bet that you can't actually point to an example of concrete improvement so why must patience go on?
Ooo, I like these definitive statements. I should try them more often. Thanks for setting the example.
kaz Hirai
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Woah these last few pages Saying he's badly out of form, and the reasons why that may be is normal
But suggesting selling him, and he has never been all that good
That brings it to
Lloris
Trippier
Foyth
Kwp
Aurier
Sanchez
Rose
Davies
Dier
Wanyama
Dele
Eriksen
Lamela
Llorente
Janssen
I've heard aren't good enough for us this season
heelspurs
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You say that as if the vast majority of those players don't have massive deficiencies in their game and could not be easily and inexpensively improved upon. Or better yet, many should have been improved upon already. Soemone just posted a telegraph article saying 12 players being allowed to go. Obvs Lloris, Foyth, Sanchez, Dele and maybe Eriksen are not on that but not very far from the list you just posted. So Poch has it wrong too?
Saying he's badly out of form, and the reasons why that may be is normal
But suggesting selling him, and he has never been all that good
That brings it to
Lloris
Trippier
Foyth
Kwp
Aurier
Sanchez
Rose
Davies
Dier
Wanyama
Dele
Eriksen
Lamela
Llorente
Janssen
I've heard aren't good enough for us this season
Again, name we 1 thing Dele has improved upon in his time here? I will wait but know my reply is that if a player with significant gaps in his game hasn't improved 1 thing in 4 years then it is only reasonable to suggest moving him on.
So, stupid post lacking any real insightful, informative or probative quality. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean others don't so no need for you to try and shut down others having the conversation. But feel free to dance with me if you'd like.
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I agree with this. He's undoubtedly a good player, but he's horribly out of form and has been most season. Even when he's in good form he goes missing for large parts of game but will pop in with a flick or a goal, but he's largely ineffective. It's just the kind of player he is.
He's a better version of Thomas Muller IMO who is also a player who has struggled with different managers to find out where he fits in best in a team.
That being said I'm glad he's on the team and wouldn't sell him.
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What's your financial threshold? Straight swap for Brandt? 25M? 50M? 75M? 100M? Or wouldn't sell for any offer?
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If I had any confidence we could properly replace him I’d start to think about it over 100 mil but I don’t think we would. And completely understand why the club wouldn’t do that.
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Do you believe that there is any team out there that would pay 100M for Dele? That was the hype a few years ago but I'm asking about now since most teams have a better/fuller scouting report on him and the shine is off the rose. His England place is probably safe for now since Hudson-Odoi is hurt but I would have imagined it under serious threat with Harry, Sancho, CHO, and Raheem.
So will you take my challenge on naming his improvements over these 4 years? 2 folks have implicitly declined already. But I am curious as to what people are seeing in order for them to claim his qualities and have faith they he will 'come good'.
For example, Sterling could not strike a ball, use his left foot, was weak in the tackle and easily pushed off the ball, wasn't great defensively, etc etc. Now his is chippy, busts a gut to take a professional foul to stop a break, knocking them in and passing lefty or righty, and is a danger to man and beast on the field. Demonstrative improvement throughout his game. He's played in the WC and barely gets a break for Pep or England yet he delivers game in game out all the while improving from the Aaron Lennon-light 'what a waste of money' to, for me, one of the 5 best players in the world right now.
Can you name 1 technical thing Dele has demonstrably improved on in his 4 years? If you cannot name 1 thing then my follow-up would be to ask what makes him so valuable that someone would pay 100M for him or that we should move heaven and Earth to keep him.
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Not sure his style is suited to the modern football team quick set up, like a City or Liverpool, his Thomas Muller like style is a dieing breed, hugely talented with flashes of brillance, but his lack of pace, lackadaisical style and dwelling on the ball does get grating and doesn't seem in keeping with the modern day high press, especially when you compare it to Silva, Manes, Agueros etc
Which one are you referring to?
The one who has won the Champions League, the World Cup and tons of other trophies? Two World Cups with 5+ goals? Most assists in numerous tournaments?
Or are you thinking of another one?
His head has gone since his injuries. Before that he was playing fairly well. He's a bit of a luxury player, he's great when the team is playing well and he's got good players to vibe off, but stick him in an average team, as we have been this year, and he kinda disappears. Of our big name players, he is probably the most replaceable, but there's about 10 other players we should be looking to upgrade first.
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He got taught a lesson tonight by Van De Beek, completely showed him up.
Maybe he's tired, who knows but where's that hungry Dele gone who wanted to prove himself to the world? It seems to me he thinks he's made it and has taken his foot well and truly off the gas.
No hunger, no sharp teeth, no gritty, ruthless football just a couple of poncy flicks and scoops like he's trying to take the piss out of them. You're a footballer Dele and you're getting shown up big time and have been for a while now. Poch said something along the lines of he gets bored if he's not challenged etc, well it seems he thinks it's challenge complete and is running the risk of looking like a fraud.
Shame as he has talent but I think his mind is focused on tits and Fortnite at the moment, instead of something real like a legacy.
I've been his biggest advocate but all I see at the moment is a kid playing football in a playground, not a superstar. He's a shell of the player he used to be either something's up with the management of him, the teams style or unfortunately the thing I believe is the issue, himself.
The sooner he settles down with a nice girl instead of chasing atrocious slaggy girls the better. He was after that Megan from Love Island wasn't he? What a grotesque girl she is, everything that Dele doesn't need.
Maybe he's tired, who knows but where's that hungry Dele gone who wanted to prove himself to the world? It seems to me he thinks he's made it and has taken his foot well and truly off the gas.
No hunger, no sharp teeth, no gritty, ruthless football just a couple of poncy flicks and scoops like he's trying to take the piss out of them. You're a footballer Dele and you're getting shown up big time and have been for a while now. Poch said something along the lines of he gets bored if he's not challenged etc, well it seems he thinks it's challenge complete and is running the risk of looking like a fraud.
Shame as he has talent but I think his mind is focused on tits and Fortnite at the moment, instead of something real like a legacy.
I've been his biggest advocate but all I see at the moment is a kid playing football in a playground, not a superstar. He's a shell of the player he used to be either something's up with the management of him, the teams style or unfortunately the thing I believe is the issue, himself.
The sooner he settles down with a nice girl instead of chasing atrocious slaggy girls the better. He was after that Megan from Love Island wasn't he? What a grotesque girl she is, everything that Dele doesn't need.
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No I don't think anyone would pay 100mil for Dele. I think he's much better in midfield than he was when he started with us, but he's obviously not a midfielder still.
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"a very poor player..." - get a grip.
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