Der Spiegel Football Leaks revelations

[ralvy]

Terrible idea. If this happened think this would alienate a lot of football fans.

Can’t see the average fan travelling around Europe every other week to watch games, The grounds will be full of the tourist fans particully from Far East and Middle East. Maybe that Is the market these clubs are trying to appeal to now a days rather than the domestic fan base. I guess Looking at the clubs on the list to set this league up it won’t really bother them though if the hardcore domestic fans don’t like the idea or won’t be able to travel to many away games. You just have watch many of these teams games to see that already there grounds are already packed every other week with the tourist fans.

Around Europe? What about around the whole world?

If these fuckwits get what their want, you can be sure this super league would be mostly played in places like the US or China.

 

[Sevens]

the product (PL) doesn't work without the fans in the stadium....no atmosphere translates poorly to TV

The stadiums would be full, or at least no different to now. Utd have approximately 8m to 9m fans in the UK. Even if half the fans abandoned the club because of a switch to a European Super League that is still 4m fans wanting to go and watch a game of football. And that doesn't take into consideration tourist fans from other countries or whether they increase the allotment for travelling fans from the opposition etc.

As for the others. Liverpool are in a similar boat to Man Utd. Chelsea and Arsenal being London clubs will have no problems filling the stadium. Which leaves Man City, who don't fill their stadium now anyway.

 

[Lilbaz]

Find it interesting why there seems a big push now. Psg, bayern, juventus it is fairly obvious there is little competition in their leagues. But barca are already stuggling to fill their stadium, the average was 72% of capacity (from tifo) what happens when messi retires? Ronaldo has already gone will the next la liga tv deal be any bigger? Even if it is the new tv rights agreement will see any increase go to the smaller clubs and madrid and barca wont see any increase. Meanwhile the prem gets stronger and the introduction of a winter break might see english clubs do better in europe.

The simple answer seems to be that there will be a super league in europe over the next few years. It will be the prem.

 

[brendanb50]

Find it interesting why there seems a big push now. Psg, bayern, juventus it is fairly obvious there is little competition in their leagues. But barca are already stuggling to fill their stadium, the average was 72% of capacity (from tifo) what happens when messi retires? Ronaldo has already gone will the next la liga tv deal be any bigger? Even if it is the new tv rights agreement will see any increase go to the smaller clubs and madrid and barca wont see any increase. Meanwhile the prem gets stronger and the introduction of a winter break might see english clubs do better in europe.

The simple answer seems to be that there will be a super league in europe over the next few years. It will be the prem.

Agreed - particularly the last point. Anyone in the EPL looking to get involved with this isn't looking at the longer term game, 100% agree that it will be the league to watch. It's already up there but as you note, with stock falling elsewhere we can stay still and be a bigger draw to a global audience.

 

[nattydredd]

Man City Exposed :-

Spiegal Online Link

For years now, the Manchester City football club has vehemently denied that its owner, the sheikh of Abu Dhabi, broke financial rules. But internal emails tell a different story, providing evidence of backdated contracts, illusory sponsoring payments and cavalier, "We can do what we want," business practices. By DER SPIEGEL Staff

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This story sickens me, and devalues everything in our league..if this happens to our club, I'm off...

This lot need throwing out of our league..simple as.

 

[spursfan77]

Find it interesting why there seems a big push now. Psg, bayern, juventus it is fairly obvious there is little competition in their leagues. But barca are already stuggling to fill their stadium, the average was 72% of capacity (from tifo) what happens when messi retires? Ronaldo has already gone will the next la liga tv deal be any bigger? Even if it is the new tv rights agreement will see any increase go to the smaller clubs and madrid and barca wont see any increase. Meanwhile the prem gets stronger and the introduction of a winter break might see english clubs do better in europe.

The simple answer seems to be that there will be a super league in europe over the next few years. It will be the prem.

I’ve long championed the notion that there should be a super league and that league would be the premier league with all the best players playing here. But only if the tv deal keeps going up and other countries leagues get even more boring. Basically, the reason why the major European football clubs want a change. They’ve out grown their leagues but it’s all their own fault because they’ve chased larger and larger champions league payments year after year.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Man City Exposed :-

Spiegal Online Link

For years now, the Manchester City football club has vehemently denied that its owner, the sheikh of Abu Dhabi, broke financial rules. But internal emails tell a different story, providing evidence of backdated contracts, illusory sponsoring payments and cavalier, "We can do what we want," business practices. By DER SPIEGEL Staff

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This story sickens me, and devalues everything in our league..if this happens to our club, I'm off...

This lot need throwing out of our league..simple as.

Odd that the Guardian continues to pick the bones out of our stadium build because Mr Dunstan's pet terrier is frustrated by the fact a tree has been moved five yards, while continuing to overlook City...

 

[LSUY]

The NFL model seems to do ok.
You're right, but lets face it, most players and their agents probably couldnt give 2 hoots about the long term future of the game...they're into making as much money as they possibly can right now.

But the NFL model has a salary cap, draft and no rival leagues where top talent can play so a team that finished 4-12 can within two seasons develop to become the favourite to win the Super Bowl. This Super League won't have anything that makes the NFL model work.

 

[Lilbaz]

I’ve long championed the notion that there should be a super league and that league would be the premier league with all the best players playing here. But only if the tv deal keeps going up and other countries leagues get even more boring. Basically, the reason why the major European football clubs want a change. They’ve out grown their leagues but it’s all their own fault because they’ve chased larger and larger champions league payments year after year.

Hadn't realised uefa had already changed the payment method for cl. That it is now partly based on the previous 10 years of success in the competition.

When will the big clubs realise the competition is only successful and exciting if there is competition?

 

[Lilbaz]

But the NFL model has a salary cap, draft and no rival leagues where top talent can play so a team that finished 4-12 can within two seasons develop to become the favourite to win the Super Bowl. This Super League won't have anything that makes the NFL model work.

Also madrid own 17% barca 14% and utd 8%???

No other titles clubs can win so madrid win most years get even bigger the other clubs lose fans because they have no chance of winning anything so lose merch and sponsorship.

We might aswell say madrid have won football job done and watch another sport.

Death of football.

 

[nattydredd]

Odd that the Guardian continues to pick the bones out of our stadium build because Mr Dunstan's pet terrier is frustrated by the fact a tree has been moved five yards, while continuing to overlook City...

That's easy. It's because we're an easy target..and City's owners could stamp on the Guardian, like a bug, if they so desire.

 

[Lilbaz]

That's easy. It's because we're an easy target..and City's owners could stamp on the Guardian, like a bug, if they so desire.

Fuch the guardian i want to hear statements from uefa, the football associations, mp's etc...

How many jobs is football worth in europe? How much money? How much does it mean to the people?

Something needs to be done at the highest level, talking governmental level to stop this crap.

 

[Gb160]

But the NFL model has a salary cap, draft and no rival leagues where top talent can play so a team that finished 4-12 can within two seasons develop to become the favourite to win the Super Bowl. This Super League won't have anything that makes the NFL model work.

I was agreeing with him, and I agree with you...my point was the 'no relegation' thing makes no difference as to whether or not it would be successful, and if anything would be very appealing to the owners of these founder clubs.

These greedy bastards will actually break football if they're allowed to do this.

 

[Gb160]

Fuch the guardian i want to hear statements from uefa, the football associations, mp's etc...

How many jobs is football worth in europe? How much money? How much does it mean to the people?

Something needs to be done at the highest level, talking governmental level to stop this crap.

Exactly...in the meantime we just get the bloody FA announcing some bullshit Rooney return.

 

[King of Otters]

Man City Exposed :-

Spiegal Online Link

For years now, the Manchester City football club has vehemently denied that its owner, the sheikh of Abu Dhabi, broke financial rules. But internal emails tell a different story, providing evidence of backdated contracts, illusory sponsoring payments and cavalier, "We can do what we want," business practices. By DER SPIEGEL Staff

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This story sickens me, and devalues everything in our league..if this happens to our club, I'm off...

This lot need throwing out of our league..simple as.

Pretty explosive stuff, although I won't be expecting UEFA to do anything about it. Not least because the same publication has already demonstrated just how far UEFA have bent over for the likes of City and PSG in the past.

 

[Lilbaz]

Pretty explosive stuff, although I won't be expecting UEFA to do anything about it. Not least because the same publication has already demonstrated just how far UEFA have bent over for the likes of City and PSG in the past.

I really wouldn't mind if all clubs (the 200 members of the ecc(sp) said they'd pull out and formed their own council similar to the prem, where they need a 2/3 majority vote on matters. We might see positive change and the competitions become fairer.

Might be optimistic but we need a democracy not a capitalist regime where the rich dictate.

Madrid and man ut think they invented football and generate the wealth. They forget if they didn't exist people would still watch football, they would just support someone else that were winning trophies or their local team.

 

[olliec]

I'll stop watching football if this happens. This will just suck the soul out of it completely.

 

[spursfan77]

Pretty explosive stuff, although I won't be expecting UEFA to do anything about it. Not least because the same publication has already demonstrated just how far UEFA have bent over for the likes of City and PSG in the past.

The premier league should do something about it then. Maybe introduce tougher FFP rules so their ridiculous sponsorships aren’t allowed.

 

[Lighty64]

I've heard that a few times but it seems to fundamentally break EU laws protecting competitions. It almost certainly would not be legal for a national association to refuse to pick players just because they played for a private organisation competing with one affilliated to the association - they aren't allowed to use their power protect the domestic leagues from the competition of the "free market" that allows people to set up competition. Similarly it wouldn't be legal for UEFA to ban these clubs from the Champions League if the breakaway failed, they changed their minds and met the ordinary criteria to qualify. Don't get me wrong, I'm hugely opposed to the free-market-must-always-prosper dogma and especially think trying to apply it to sports is pretty batshit, but unfortunately in legal terms football doesn't have any kind of exemption.

the things that could happen though are that the FA explains to the England manager that they would prefer him not to select those involved. with UEFA they can set the rules and if this league is not seen as legal, those involved won't be allowed in, or because of the teams per country allowed per league they could limit them to only the top team being able to be involved.

this will ruin football, and might never recover. the governing bodies of the Premier League, and other top leagues and UEFA need to make a ruling before this can get started. something needs to come in that if this all fails the clubs involved have to start from the bottom of the pyramid if they want back in. the one thing they can't allow is this league to be a separate competition that clubs can be involved in both

 

[King of Otters]

The premier league should do something about it then. Maybe introduce tougher FFP rules so their ridiculous sponsorships aren’t allowed.

The people responsible for the 39th Step idea? I wouldn’t hold your breath mate.