Der Spiegel Football Leaks revelations

[Lilbaz]

Good stuff. Get that lot out the league and we'll be winning it every year!

....and end up like Celtic.

Also, it'd be the end for the CL as we know it, as these clubs wouldn't be able to qualify for anything else. Then, the top clubs in the Super League would get richer each year and the lower teams would start to suffer. Real Madrid would start winning it every year, and Olympique Marseille would lose thier best players to them and also fade in insignificance, followed by Arsenal the next year and so on and so on. The whole footballing world would disappear up it's own arse and ultimately implode.

Haven't they ever heard of destructive growth in business? Probably not, and they certainly aren't thinking long term.

We'd be totally fucked. We would have a huge debt with tv money slashed. Probably struggle to fill the stadium.

 

[Lilbaz]

I've heard that a few times but it seems to fundamentally break EU laws protecting competitions. It almost certainly would not be legal for a national association to refuse to pick players just because they played for a private organisation competing with one affilliated to the association - they aren't allowed to use their power protect the domestic leagues from the competition of the "free market" that allows people to set up competition. Similarly it wouldn't be legal for UEFA to ban these clubs from the Champions League if the breakaway failed, they changed their minds and met the ordinary criteria to qualify. Don't get me wrong, I'm hugely opposed to the free-market-must-always-prosper dogma and especially think trying to apply it to sports is pretty batshit, but unfortunately in legal terms football doesn't have any kind of exemption.

But can clubs ban players from playing for their national side?

 

[Saoirse]

But can clubs ban players from playing for their national side?

In football right now, no - although it sounds like the Super League proposers were exploring whether they might be able to if they withdrew from UEFA and FIFA's jurisdiction entirely. In rugby I believe they effectively can by refusing to accept an agreement with the national association on the terms of the call up.

 

[Lilbaz]

The good thing is that euro mp's are voted for by their local mp's. Can see many clubs and associations talking to them to get proper laws set in place for football. Clear the whole mess up once and for all. Only problem is the eu is such a mess it would take ages for them to come to any sort of agreement.

 

[thefierycamel]

Easy way to shut a super league down is to say "yeah alright, you can do that, but your players aren't allowed to play international football anymore." How many of the players would be content with playing in this shite when they couldn't represent their country and compete for World cups and continental titles? I'd dare say not many

 

[Lilbaz]

Easy way to shut a super league down is to say "yeah alright, you can do that, but your players aren't allowed to play international football anymore." How many of the players would be content with playing in this shite when they couldn't represent their country and compete for World cups and continental titles? I'd dare say not many

I'd dare say most if the money was right.

 

[thefierycamel]

I'd dare say most if the money was right.

I disagree. I think it's a pretty special thing for most of them. National pride would be stronger than your attachment to some corporation, even if they pay you handsomely

 

[Lilbaz]

I disagree. I think it's a pretty special thing for most of them. National pride would be stronger than your attachment to some corporation, even if they pay you handsomely

Hope we never have to find out.

 

[ShayLaB]

Edit: it's a duplicate of the other thread.

Trying to figure out how to delete this one.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...lsea-manchester-city-united-arsenal-liverpool


This bit especially...
"According to Der Spiegel, the 11 founding teams could not be relegated and would be part of the league for the first 20 years. The date by which the 16 clubs are to sign the “binding term sheet” is listed as November 2018."

 

[danedan679]

Think it sounds a bit boring to be honest. Small league, teams can’t get relegated even if they finish bottom...

I’m more excited to know who the doping multi champions league winner is!

 

[Tucker]

I've heard that a few times but it seems to fundamentally break EU laws protecting competitions. It almost certainly would not be legal for a national association to refuse to pick players just because they played for a private organisation competing with one affilliated to the association - they aren't allowed to use their power protect the domestic leagues from the competition of the "free market" that allows people to set up competition. Similarly it wouldn't be legal for UEFA to ban these clubs from the Champions League if the breakaway failed, they changed their minds and met the ordinary criteria to qualify. Don't get me wrong, I'm hugely opposed to the free-market-must-always-prosper dogma and especially think trying to apply it to sports is pretty batshit, but unfortunately in legal terms football doesn't have any kind of exemption.

National teams are under no obligation to pick any players at all. If the English FA decided not to pick players from this super league, it would be their choice. It would be just as expensive and risky for the SL or players to challenge this in the courts, and would take years, by which time a playing career has gone by and a whole generation of footballers have potentially missed out on a World Cup etc.

 

[aliyid]

Meh, this comes around every couple of years and will never happen.

Always creates debate as a thought piece but no point worrying about it. It’s about as likely to happen as the other repeated debates

• Celtic/Rangers joining English league,
• Women’s football getting equal prize money as prem,
• All-Star game style comp between EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga & Serie A

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

I'm really looking forward to reading articles like What Not Being Part of the European Super League means for Tottenham on those crap click bait football sites that post stories like Why Tottenham Should Go For (insert Ajax player we aren't going to sign). Excellent. Weekend sorted.

 

[worcestersauce]

Until relatively recently there was no relegation from the football league and no promotion from non league, the club finishing bottom of the fourth division had to be re-elected or unelected by the other football league clubs which they never were, unless they asked to be anyway. I could see that being the situation in those proposals, the founders would agree never to unelect one another. Whether the lowest placed guest then got relegated or nobody got relegated until one of the guests came bottom I don't know. That said I don't know that it's likely to happen very soon.

 

[Tucker]

Thought I’d have a look what the fans on forums of the clubs linked to this thought.

Liverpool fans are overwhelmingly negative about it. https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=341434.0

United fans generally negative too with some seemingly resigned to this happening. http://www.redcafe.net/threads/a-european-super-league-of-sixteen-teams-from-2021.442624/

Mostly negative amongst the City fans, but there are one or two obvious plastics who seem up for it. https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/spiegel-leaked-european-super-league-information.337158/

Arsenal fans seem more interested in the fact Spurs aren’t involved. https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/thr...otiating-to-form-european-super-league.33385/

Couldn’t find any talk of it on Shed end. Though I’m surprised Chelsea fans are literate enough to even have a forum.

 

[jonnyrotten]

Fuck City and their corruption.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...antino-manchester-city-psg-positive-ffp-talks

 

[Jody]

Everyone outside of it should just refuse to sell them any players. Within 5 years they'd all be too old. Then when they ask to come back tell em to do one. Simples.

 

[teok]

Scary as fuck. Just as we move to the new stadium.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

City hate Founder Fathers Bayern. It ain't as easy as it seems.

 

[Amo]

If only Fifa were a federalised country. A radical military general could then stage a coup and purge Fifa and the continental federations of these motherfuckers.

A period of centralised dictatorship is exactly what's needed here.