diamond shape ?

[doubledecker]

Lots of threads about 4-4-2 but I dont think Modric should be withdrawn from an attacking role. How about this for MF and up front ?

Corluka

RM Lennon LM Bale or Ohara

Modric

Bent Pav

OR
Corluka

RM Lennon LM Bale or Ohara

Jenas or Hudd or Bentley

Modric Pav

 

[gavspur]

that pretty much how we played under Jol when we had this as our midfield:

Carrick
Lennon Davids/Tainio
Jenas
Mido Defoe/Keane

the left midfielder needs to be a grafter who can tuck into CM to help out, and able to get forward down the left when breaking.. Then JJ used to drop back and help out when needed too.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

When people are talking about 4-4-2, the majority are agreeing that Modric should be the most attack minded of the 2 central midfielders, and he needs to play alongside someone who can play the dm role in a 4-4-2. Jenas is probably the best choice for this, or Corluka but I think when he's played dm so far it's been in a 3 man cm so it will be a harder challenge for him.

 

[Krafty]

Would like to see it given a try - I'd like to see Bent and Pav upfront, Pav being static while Bent runs the channels, then Modric pull some strings behind, with a real left winger with Lennon on the right.

That formation should cause teams that come to the lane for a draw some problems.

But I think we will see, with BAE suspended, 4-4-2 with Modric on the elft, Bale asked to overlap massively, and two holding midfielders, one being Zokora to cover Bale when eh gets caught upfield. The other would probably be Jenas, but I'd prefer Hudd for his passing.

 

[Adam]

Would like to see it given a try - I'd like to see Bent and Pav upfront, Pav being static while Bent runs the channels, then Modric pull some strings behind, with a real left winger with Lennon on the right.

That formation should cause teams that come to the lane for a draw some problems.

But I think we will see, with BAE suspended, 4-4-2 with Modric on the elft, Bale asked to overlap massively, and two holding midfielders, one being Zokora to cover Bale when eh gets caught upfield. The other would probably be Jenas, but I'd prefer Hudd for his passing.

I simply cant see that happening. Modric has played on the left of a four three times this season and has been absolutely awful on all three of those occasions. The first, against Villa at home saw them pepper our left hand side continually until Modric got injured and taken off which gave us much greater balance.

The second time was at home to Liverpool in the second half when he had to be taken off because we were giving them far too much space down our left again which put way too much pressure on Corluka. He got taken off and i think Lennon got put on the left in his place which again gave us greater balance. The third time was against Fulham where he was totally innefective in the last half an hour.

The problem with Modric is that he is too good and too quick for the rest of our appaling midfield. When Huddlestone isnt playing, there is noone on the same wavelength as him which leads to him giving the ball away after being subjected to ridiculous pressure with no out ball. We will only get the best out of Modric is we get better players to play with him and understand his movement and also what movement off the ball actually entails. At the minute, watching Spurs is like watching a game of Subbuteo with 10 men standing still and one guy hopelessly looking for a killer pass to no one. The formation is immaterial, its simply that we have bad, stupid players that is causing our current downfall.

 

[Byron]

the trouble is if you play the diamond you have to sacrifice the width, at least of the midfielders, which unfortunatley means lennon missing out which at the moment with him playing so well is wank. to play as a narrow 3 in midfield the full backs need to create the width which might not be a bad thing, how many times have we had to go backwards from the wings because there's no space. Playing with two up top is a must for me, when bent or campbell hit the channels and win the ball theres no one in the box because modric likes to create from deeper. Maybe lennon could play in the hole instead of modric at times he's certainly a lot more direct if not as clever.

Team for a diamond would have to be something like

------------Gomes-----------
Corluka----Woodgate --King----Bale
----------------Thudd--------------
-------Jenas/zoko-----O'hara-------
---------------Modric--------------
---------Bent ---------Pav---------


I hope harry can find a winning system quick or were f**ked. we just cant score goals at the moment. I bet sir Les's arse is going already!

 

[mil1lion]

I'd rather see our fullbacks concentrate more on defensive duties, and play with 2 wide players. I think we look a lot better when we have width in the team.

 

[dbspurs]

Gomes

Corluka King Woodgate Ekotto

O'Hara Modric Jenas

Lennon

Pav Bent

We could play Modric as one of three CM's, have Lennon in the hole and stick Bentley on the bench. Might mean the full backs doing a lot of work but they are both young and energetic and could get up and down the field.

 

[Rackybear]

Saying modric cannot play in a 4-4-2 and could in a diamond is contradictory because a Diamon midfield is also a 4-4-2 formation.

The difference between a flat 4 in midfield and a diamon is very little. In a flat 4, the two central midfielders take it in turns to support the strikers whilst the other sits and protects the back four. Whereas in a diamond formation, the person who sits/supports strikers is defined.

If modric cannot play in a 4-4-2 formation, then he cannot play in a diamond formation.

This is just what people say though, its yet to be proven if he cannot play in a 4-4-2. I think he could, providing he has the right partner next to him.

 

[SpurSince57]

I agree, and I'm starting to feel that Modric is at the moment both our biggest asset and our biggest drawback.

Possibly the last time we employed a diamond with real success was against Chelsea at the Bridge in the Cup two seasons ago, where we lined up with:

Robbo (?) Cerny (?)

Stalteri----Dawson----Rocha----Lee

Zokora

Ghaly----Tainio

Lennon

Defoe----Berbatov

That worked well for about 70 minutes, with two tough-tackling CMs behind the front three and Zokora efficiently sweeping up behind them. Ghaly could get across to help Stalteri deal with Robben.

Now, think current personnel. Big question, obviously, is—if you put Modric in his most natural position, in the hole, where do you play Lennon? Or Bentley? (I realise that as far as Bentley is concerned, the instant answer for most SCers is 'On the bench!') For the sake of argument, the nearest equivalent I can think of to the above line-up is:

Gomes

Corluka----King (Dawson)----Woodgate----BAE (Bale)

Zokora

Jenas----O'Hara

Modric

Bent----Pav
​

 

[shelfsideyid]

Surely the formation, is somewhat dependant on the opposition & whether home or away????

4-4-1-1 Seems the most obvious line up to accomodate Luka..

 

[SpurSince57]

It does, but it's not quite clicking at the moment, is it?

 

[guy]

No its definitely not working and will continue not to work unless we get a better striker.

I like the above diamond, but Lennon is our best player this season and has to play, so god knows how you fit them all in?!?!

 

[Rackybear]

Like this:-

Gomes
Corluka Woodgate King BAE
Zokora
Lennon Jenas
Modric
Bent Pavlyuchenko​

When defending Modric could easily slot into the left hand side of midfield, making it a flat 4 with JJ / Zok in the middle as usual. Whilst taking up the 'hole' position when in possession of the ball.

 

[doubledecker]

I agree, and I'm starting to feel that Modric is at the moment both our biggest asset and our biggest drawback.

Possibly the last time we employed a diamond with real success was against Chelsea at the Bridge in the Cup two seasons ago, where we lined up with:

Robbo (?) Cerny (?)​

Stalteri----Dawson----Rocha----Lee​

Zokora​

Ghaly----Tainio​

Lennon​

Defoe----Berbatov​

That worked well for about 70 minutes, with two tough-tackling CMs behind the front three and Zokora efficiently sweeping up behind them. Ghaly could get across to help Stalteri deal with Robben.​

Now, think current personnel. Big question, obviously, is—if you put Modric in his most natural position, in the hole, where do you play Lennon? Or Bentley? (I realise that as far as Bentley is concerned, the instant answer for most SCers is 'On the bench!') For the sake of argument, the nearest equivalent I can think of to the above line-up is:​

Gomes​

Corluka----King (Dawson)----Woodgate----BAE (Bale)​

Zokora​

Jenas----O'Hara​

Modric​

Bent----Pav​

​

I had forgotten we played that formation then. In fact to say it worked well was an understatement. For 70 minutes we played Chelsea off the park . Berbatov and Lennon were both brilliant and if I am not mistaken it only went wrong when BMJ surprisingly took them both off. I always liked Lennon in that role and I remember another game when we hammered Charlton 5-1 or 6-1 when they could not handle him in that position. He has played there all too infrequently.

On second thoughts maybe Lennon should start there not Modric !